Stevie & Lindsey Intimacy

[Deeshere]

Originally Posted by nicole21290

Say Goodbye? Yes. Lindsey's taken a page out of Stevie's handbook and is lying instead of just evading, bless. He was previously very clear on when it was written - after 'taking leave of the band' a long time ago. He's just retconned it, saying it was 'written' for SYW recently when that was merely when FM recorded it. I have my thoughts on why he's done this but *shrugs*. Either way, the changing meaning of the song (well, the changing explanation of the song) amuses me A LOT. I mean, closure isn't a new thing though back in 2003 it was the 'beginning' of closure they were getting, lol. From memory, so forgive error.

The very first show of the year Stevie told us she loves singing it with him and Lindsey started up with his talk about how it represents closure and so on, also informing us that it's funny because he and Stevie are probably closer than they've been since the early seventies. Nice to know...

So as the tour progressed we go from lots of CLOSURE CLOSURE CLOSURE to talk to Say Goodbye being about:
- needing illusions in order to dream
- needing to cast away illusions in order to grow
(Well, did she make you cry,
Make you break down,
Shatter your illusions of love?)
- acceptance
- faith
- resolve for the future

As he said in an interview "All those illusions have fallen away, but that doesn't mean that there isn't resolve and hope and belief in the future in a different context."

I do so love a good evolution in explanation... My favourite, however, was this fun one back when it was still about getting closure in Philly.

"This is a song I wrote about Stevie maybe 10 years ago and, uh, it's about closure. As much as the (?) dialogue between the two of us can be *laughs* (?) and I think we're still trying to find it, right? (?) Or maybe we're not. I don't know. Anyway, it's incredible after all this time that there (?) seem to be a few chapters here between these two people. I don't understand. *laughs*

Okay, first of all Lindsey, you write this in 1987 according to other tours... Also, you were writing about getting closure in your r'ship with Stevie back in 1987 but thought it's time was right in 2003 and yet you STILL think you guys are trying to find that closure in 2013. Except NOT. Because 'MAYBE WE'RE NOT. I DON'T KNOW'. UM, WTF? So, you don't think you ever found that closure and perhaps you're not even bothering to try and get that closure anymore? EMBRACE THAT LOVE, GUYS.

#lovefest2013

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While I'm putting my few cents worth on this thread, have at this. Basically it started months and months ago when I noted some fun lyrical repetitions on Seeds We Sow. We know Lindsey likes to talk about he and Stevie dialoguing in song and he's said many of his songs are about her. So...

Had a dream that you reached for me in the night / Touched me soft and slow
Everything was wrong but everything was right / Oh, the seeds we sow

Fire still burning, in a while she’ll make it rain / These rooms are all falling down, they couldn’t stand the strain
And the same old dream, she was hiding outside my door / She used to come from time to time but not any more

I wake up in the middle of the night / With you in my heart / With you in my heart
I can’t touch you any more / It causes you harm

When you’re waiting for your ocean to rise / All alone at night long after I’ve gone
And your conversations all end in lies / And you wake up singing one of my songs

-

By theme/word. Basically, I've included stuff from Lindsey's last three albums (including covers), from Stevie's TISL and IYD and then FM's SYW and the EP.

HIDING/DOOR/ROOM
GREAT DAY (gift of screws)
The currents they caught her / Hiding in my room
IN OUR OWN TIME (seeds we sow)
And the same old dream, she was hiding outside my door / She used to come from time to time but not any more
THROWN DOWN (say you will)
You can sit outside his door and wait / Well, you can dedicate your pain to him

DREAMS
UNDERGROUND (gift of screws)
I go to my lover we lay on our bed / Did I sell my heart for the dreams in my head?
IN OUR OWN TIME (seeds we sow)
And the same old dream, she was hiding outside my door / She used to come from time to time but not any more
DID YOU MISS ME (gift of screws)
Did you miss me in the evening? / When everyone is bound to dream
SHUT US DOWN (under the skin)
Oh you and I we sure can dream / Of conversations that might have been
CAST AWAY DREAMS (under the skin)
Magic one / All our dreams are done / I have no faith today
CAST AWAY DREAMS (under the skin)
Hearts will break / With choices we must make / So sleep and dream of me
UNDER THE SKIN (under the skin)
Lay your head down no one will see / Cry me a river of new dreams float yourself free
SHOW YOU HOW (under the skin)
You can float downstream let the past be the past / You can wake up from a dream and find your other half
MISS FANTASY (extended play)
I had another dream of you last night / sailing on a sea of blue
EVERYBODY LOVES YOU (in your dreams)
She was so unaffected / By his dream
For his dream of her / Was just not possible

OCEAN/SEA
GREAT DAY (gift of screws)
Mirrors in her eyes / She was wet she was soaking
Ashes in the ocean / And her heart was broken
IN OUR OWN TIME (seeds we sow)
When you’re waiting for your ocean to rise / All alone at night long after I’ve gone
TREASON (gift of screws)
Deep down in the ocean deep down in the sea / Saw your face full of grace searching for me
DID YOU MISS ME (gift of screws)
I took a trip out of town / A hundred years underground
I had to swim across the sea / When you were my baby
SHOW YOU HOW (under the skin)
You can float downstream let the past be the past / You can wake up from a dream and find your other half
MISS FANTASY (extended play)
I had another dream of you last night / sailing on a sea of blue
BOMBAY SAPPHIRES (trouble in shangri-la)
The sea never changes - not really / It is the constant in my life
I always return here / To the flash of those colors

PLANS
CAST AWAY DREAMS (under the skin)
Holy light, visionary sight / There’s been a change in plans
Going away / No, I cannot stay / I hope you understand
EVERYBODY LOVES YOU (in your dreams)
She was so enchanted by his voice / She was so shaken by his words
His plan for her… / Was just not possible / She had no words…

GOOD/GREAT DAY
GREAT DAY (gift of screws)
It was a great day, great day
ROCK AWAY BLIND (seeds we sow)
Cast your fate, we’ve all found a way / As they say, it’s another good day

RULES
GREAT DAY (gift of screws)
The day was dark and burning / All the time we were learning
The rules concerning / Of the corner we were turning
DESTINY RULES (say we will)
It’s not being together, / It’s just following the rules
No one’s a fool…

CRIME
GREAT DAY (gift of screws)
A wish that is walking / Is just a crime scene talking
If it’s a plea that you’re copping / It’s just a door that you’re locking
ROCK AWAY BLIND (seeds we sow)
I keep walking on this heart of mine / I could go crazy without even trying / Fleeing the scene of the crime
IN OUR OWN TIME (seeds we sow)
Nothing here remains, just a vision of her face / The implications of a crime, it always takes the place

WHITE AND BLUE/CLUES
ROCK AWAY BLIND (seeds we sow)
I see clues that you leave behind / White or blue, I know it can’t be mine / I want to look for what I might find
BOMBAY SAPPHIRES (trouble in shangri-la)
I can see past you - to the white sand… / It is blue / It is not about you
It is all true / You know—who I am
MISS FANTASY (extended play)
You’re the queen of the underground / Never leaving a clue
RED ROVER (say you will)
And the lips you were kissing night after night / All were bathed in blue, all bathed in white

LINE CROSSING/TIME
IN OUR OWN TIME (seeds we sow)
Wouldn’t make any difference / We crossed the line
IT TAKES TIME (extended play)
Slow down, baby / Cross that line

WRONG/RIGHT
ROCK AWAY BLIND (seeds we sow)
Freedom is someone to know / There is no right or wrong anymore
SEEDS WE SOW (seeds we sow)
Touched me soft and slow / Everything was wrong but everything was right

UNDERGROUND
UNDERGROUND (gift of screws)
I think I might wander underground
DID YOU MISS ME (gift of screws)
I took a trip out of town / A hundred years underground
I had to swim across the sea / When you were my baby
LOVE RUNS DEEPER (gift of screws)
Black angel can’t be alone / Love runs deeper from the underground
MISS FANTASY (extended play)
You’re the queen of the underground / Never leaving a clue

NOT TOO LATE
THE RIGHT PLACE TO FADE (gift of screws)
Waiting for the light that might light our way / Waiting for the right place to fade / I swear I swear I swear it’s not too late
NOT TOO LATE (seeds we sow)
What am I doing anyway / Telling myself it’s not too late

PARALLEL
LOVE RUNS DEEPER (gift of screws)
How you mystified / Just a blinding flash / We were parallel lines
DESTINY RULES (say you will)
Maybe we were together in another life / Maybe we are together in a parallel universe

SHOW YOU HOW
DID YOU MISS ME (gift of screws)
Look at us now / The years fall down / Show me how
SHOW YOU HOW (seeds we sow)
Come ‘round and get me, I’ll show you, show you, show you how

DROWN
DOWN ON RODEO (under the skin)
Faces of glass all hung in the past / They only come here to drown
CAST AWAY DREAMS (under the skin)
It would do no good / To drown in the sea
Where no one remembers their name / And nothing but nothing is free

LIES
SAY GOODBYE (say you will)
It’s so hard to find your way / When the lies come around
STEAL YOUR HEART AWAY (say you will)
And the lie was creeping / Down, down, down / While we were sleeping

DANCE/CHANCES/TIME/CHANGING MINDS
DOWN ON RODEO (under the skin)
We never took quite enough chances / We never had quite enough time
I did about a thousand dances / But nothing would change your mind
SAY YOU WILL (say you will)
Say you will, say you will give me one more chance / At least give me time to change your mind
That always seems to heal the wounds, if I can / Get you to dance
NOT TOO LATE (seeds we sow)
And there’s a need for songs that are sung / For chances not taken for deeds not yet done

FAITH
CAST AWAY DREAMS (under the skin)
Magic one / All our dreams are done / I have no faith today
THROWN DOWN (say you will)
You’ve shaken your faith in me, no / You’ve shaken my faith in everything else
A decision no one makes, and now you’re going home / Faith is a hard thing to hold on to
Something inside you says I don’t have to

MAGIC
CAST AWAY DREAMS (under the skin)
Magic one / All our dreams are done / I have no faith today
YOU MAY BE THE ONE (in your dreams)
You were an angel / And I was a starving child / And we were…magic…

PASSION
UNDER THE SKIN (under the skin)
I know it’s hard being so hard to find / Your passion swallows you whole deaf dumb and blind
CHEAPER THAN FREE (in your dreams)
Better than fashion? High passion.
BOMBAY SAPPHIRES (trouble in shangri-la)
It’s there every day / It’s passion never fades / You know what I mean

SLOW DOWN
SHOW YOU HOW (under the skin)
She said slow down baby, slow down now
MOONLIGHT (A VAMPIRE’S DREAM) (in your dreams)
He slows down / He’s so desperate to stop her / Meet her in the middle
IT TAKES TIME (extended play)
Slow down, baby / Cross that line

SAVE/SURVIVE
IT TAKES TIME (extended play)
If you want to save me / It takes time
FALL FROM GRACE (trouble in shangri-la)
Maybe the reason I say these things / Is to bring you back alive
Maybe I fought this long and this hard / Just to make sure you survive

LINGER
SHOW YOU HOW (under the skin)
And the shadow singer will stand and linger in places no one ever goes
MISS FANTASY (extended play)
Would you still love to linger up against the wall?

MEMORY
MISS FANTASY (extended play)
It may be you don’t remember me / but I remember you
YOU MAY BE THE ONE (in your dreams)
Forget me not, he says / I’m so afraid

FEAR
THE RIGHT PLACE TO FADE (gift of screws)
Come along lay down and talk to me / Tell me all your fear will allow
It doesn’t matter who we thought we were / We ain’t got time for that now
LOVE CHANGES (trouble in shangri-la)
When he was loving I was in tears / He knows my fears
YOU MAY BE THE ONE (in your dreams)
He says, there’s no fear in your eyes / Tell me another lie…

STRAIN
IN OUR OWN TIME (seeds we sow)
Fire still burning, in a while she’ll make it rain
These rooms are all falling down, they couldn’t stand the strain
EVERY DAY (trouble in shangri-la)
Don’t give me visions to explain / There are no doubts I feel the strain

BRAVO Nichole you definitely did your research.

[Kena]

I remember reading an interview with Kristen where she talks about meeting Lindsey for the first time & she said she knew who he was... And that he was in Fleetwood Mac, etc etc. Even if she didn't know all his history with Stevie up front I'm sure he had some explaining to do... So Kristen knew what she was getting into. And obviously the Stevie thing did not come between them... After all, Kristen & Lindsey have been together for how many years? if Stevie was going to come between them, seems like it woulda happened by now.
During the past three tours there have been questionable Stevie & Lindsey shipper stage moments- with this tour being the one with the most love & affection shared on stage...but Lindsey still goes home to Kristen & the kids & he's probably pretty happy with that. Also it doesn't seem like Stevie & Lindsey keep in close contact in between tours... So Lindsey is back to his real life with the wife & kids for years between tours. Kristen could put her foot down if she wasn't happy with Lindsey's relationship with Stevie...resulting in either him quitting Fleetwood Mac or him quitting her. Once again, neither of those things has happened...

Now on the Stevie end of things- she has mentioned how much she adores Lindsey's children & I'd bet money that she shows Kristen a great deal of kindness & doesn't try to intimidate her... Stevie just doesn't seem like the type (now at least- when she was younger yeah probably). She may have a little streak of that in her every now & then so I have wondered if sometimes she says things about Lindsey just because she can... Because she is Stevie Nicks! And darn it, she coulda had Lindsey if she wanted him- but she broke up with him...If she had ever really really really wanted him back, she probably could of had him. It might have taken a little more effort after he got with Kristen but Stevie could have made it happen.

As far as Lindsey's kids...well, if I found out my dad used to date Stevie Nicks (like a million years ago) I would think it was the coolest thing ever! But at the ages Lindsey's kids are now- they probably wouldn't think much about it. The only person their dad is with now is their mom. Thats what they know.

Of course this is all just my opinion on the matter.. For what its worth...

[michelej1]

When I heard about Phil Everly today, I thought of Stevie and Lindsey.

Michele

[lovethemac1]

Originally Posted by nicole21290

Say Goodbye? Yes. Lindsey's taken a page out of Stevie's handbook and is lying instead of just evading, bless. He was previously very clear on when it was written - after 'taking leave of the band' a long time ago. He's just retconned it, saying it was 'written' for SYW recently when that was merely when FM recorded it. I have my thoughts on why he's done this but *shrugs*. Either way, the changing meaning of the song (well, the changing explanation of the song) amuses me A LOT. I mean, closure isn't a new thing though back in 2003 it was the 'beginning' of closure they were getting, lol. From memory, so forgive error.

The very first show of the year Stevie told us she loves singing it with him and Lindsey started up with his talk about how it represents closure and so on, also informing us that it's funny because he and Stevie are probably closer than they've been since the early seventies. Nice to know...

So as the tour progressed we go from lots of CLOSURE CLOSURE CLOSURE to talk to Say Goodbye being about:
- needing illusions in order to dream
- needing to cast away illusions in order to grow
(Well, did she make you cry,
Make you break down,
Shatter your illusions of love?)
- acceptance
- faith
- resolve for the future

As he said in an interview "All those illusions have fallen away, but that doesn't mean that there isn't resolve and hope and belief in the future in a different context."

I do so love a good evolution in explanation... My favourite, however, was this fun one back when it was still about getting closure in Philly.

"This is a song I wrote about Stevie maybe 10 years ago and, uh, it's about closure. As much as the (?) dialogue between the two of us can be *laughs* (?) and I think we're still trying to find it, right? (?) Or maybe we're not. I don't know. Anyway, it's incredible after all this time that there (?) seem to be a few chapters here between these two people. I don't understand. *laughs*

Okay, first of all Lindsey, you write this in 1987 according to other tours... Also, you were writing about getting closure in your r'ship with Stevie back in 1987 but thought it's time was right in 2003 and yet you STILL think you guys are trying to find that closure in 2013. Except NOT. Because 'MAYBE WE'RE NOT. I DON'T KNOW'. UM, WTF? So, you don't think you ever found that closure and perhaps you're not even bothering to try and get that closure anymore? EMBRACE THAT LOVE, GUYS.

#lovefest2013

-

While I'm putting my few cents worth on this thread, have at this. Basically it started months and months ago when I noted some fun lyrical repetitions on Seeds We Sow. We know Lindsey likes to talk about he and Stevie dialoguing in song and he's said many of his songs are about her. So...

Had a dream that you reached for me in the night / Touched me soft and slow
Everything was wrong but everything was right / Oh, the seeds we sow

Fire still burning, in a while she’ll make it rain / These rooms are all falling down, they couldn’t stand the strain
And the same old dream, she was hiding outside my door / She used to come from time to time but not any more

I wake up in the middle of the night / With you in my heart / With you in my heart
I can’t touch you any more / It causes you harm

When you’re waiting for your ocean to rise / All alone at night long after I’ve gone
And your conversations all end in lies / And you wake up singing one of my songs

-

By theme/word. Basically, I've included stuff from Lindsey's last three albums (including covers), from Stevie's TISL and IYD and then FM's SYW and the EP.

HIDING/DOOR/ROOM
GREAT DAY (gift of screws)
The currents they caught her / Hiding in my room
IN OUR OWN TIME (seeds we sow)
And the same old dream, she was hiding outside my door / She used to come from time to time but not any more
THROWN DOWN (say you will)
You can sit outside his door and wait / Well, you can dedicate your pain to him

DREAMS
UNDERGROUND (gift of screws)
I go to my lover we lay on our bed / Did I sell my heart for the dreams in my head?
IN OUR OWN TIME (seeds we sow)
And the same old dream, she was hiding outside my door / She used to come from time to time but not any more
DID YOU MISS ME (gift of screws)
Did you miss me in the evening? / When everyone is bound to dream
SHUT US DOWN (under the skin)
Oh you and I we sure can dream / Of conversations that might have been
CAST AWAY DREAMS (under the skin)
Magic one / All our dreams are done / I have no faith today
CAST AWAY DREAMS (under the skin)
Hearts will break / With choices we must make / So sleep and dream of me
UNDER THE SKIN (under the skin)
Lay your head down no one will see / Cry me a river of new dreams float yourself free
SHOW YOU HOW (under the skin)
You can float downstream let the past be the past / You can wake up from a dream and find your other half
MISS FANTASY (extended play)
I had another dream of you last night / sailing on a sea of blue
EVERYBODY LOVES YOU (in your dreams)
She was so unaffected / By his dream
For his dream of her / Was just not possible

OCEAN/SEA
GREAT DAY (gift of screws)
Mirrors in her eyes / She was wet she was soaking
Ashes in the ocean / And her heart was broken
IN OUR OWN TIME (seeds we sow)
When you’re waiting for your ocean to rise / All alone at night long after I’ve gone
TREASON (gift of screws)
Deep down in the ocean deep down in the sea / Saw your face full of grace searching for me
DID YOU MISS ME (gift of screws)
I took a trip out of town / A hundred years underground
I had to swim across the sea / When you were my baby
SHOW YOU HOW (under the skin)
You can float downstream let the past be the past / You can wake up from a dream and find your other half
MISS FANTASY (extended play)
I had another dream of you last night / sailing on a sea of blue
BOMBAY SAPPHIRES (trouble in shangri-la)
The sea never changes - not really / It is the constant in my life
I always return here / To the flash of those colors

PLANS
CAST AWAY DREAMS (under the skin)
Holy light, visionary sight / There’s been a change in plans
Going away / No, I cannot stay / I hope you understand
EVERYBODY LOVES YOU (in your dreams)
She was so enchanted by his voice / She was so shaken by his words
His plan for her… / Was just not possible / She had no words…

GOOD/GREAT DAY
GREAT DAY (gift of screws)
It was a great day, great day
ROCK AWAY BLIND (seeds we sow)
Cast your fate, we’ve all found a way / As they say, it’s another good day

RULES
GREAT DAY (gift of screws)
The day was dark and burning / All the time we were learning
The rules concerning / Of the corner we were turning
DESTINY RULES (say we will)
It’s not being together, / It’s just following the rules
No one’s a fool…

CRIME
GREAT DAY (gift of screws)
A wish that is walking / Is just a crime scene talking
If it’s a plea that you’re copping / It’s just a door that you’re locking
ROCK AWAY BLIND (seeds we sow)
I keep walking on this heart of mine / I could go crazy without even trying / Fleeing the scene of the crime
IN OUR OWN TIME (seeds we sow)
Nothing here remains, just a vision of her face / The implications of a crime, it always takes the place

WHITE AND BLUE/CLUES
ROCK AWAY BLIND (seeds we sow)
I see clues that you leave behind / White or blue, I know it can’t be mine / I want to look for what I might find
BOMBAY SAPPHIRES (trouble in shangri-la)
I can see past you - to the white sand… / It is blue / It is not about you
It is all true / You know—who I am
MISS FANTASY (extended play)
You’re the queen of the underground / Never leaving a clue
RED ROVER (say you will)
And the lips you were kissing night after night / All were bathed in blue, all bathed in white

LINE CROSSING/TIME
IN OUR OWN TIME (seeds we sow)
Wouldn’t make any difference / We crossed the line
IT TAKES TIME (extended play)
Slow down, baby / Cross that line

WRONG/RIGHT
ROCK AWAY BLIND (seeds we sow)
Freedom is someone to know / There is no right or wrong anymore
SEEDS WE SOW (seeds we sow)
Touched me soft and slow / Everything was wrong but everything was right

UNDERGROUND
UNDERGROUND (gift of screws)
I think I might wander underground
DID YOU MISS ME (gift of screws)
I took a trip out of town / A hundred years underground
I had to swim across the sea / When you were my baby
LOVE RUNS DEEPER (gift of screws)
Black angel can’t be alone / Love runs deeper from the underground
MISS FANTASY (extended play)
You’re the queen of the underground / Never leaving a clue

NOT TOO LATE
THE RIGHT PLACE TO FADE (gift of screws)
Waiting for the light that might light our way / Waiting for the right place to fade / I swear I swear I swear it’s not too late
NOT TOO LATE (seeds we sow)
What am I doing anyway / Telling myself it’s not too late

PARALLEL
LOVE RUNS DEEPER (gift of screws)
How you mystified / Just a blinding flash / We were parallel lines
DESTINY RULES (say you will)
Maybe we were together in another life / Maybe we are together in a parallel universe

SHOW YOU HOW
DID YOU MISS ME (gift of screws)
Look at us now / The years fall down / Show me how
SHOW YOU HOW (seeds we sow)
Come ‘round and get me, I’ll show you, show you, show you how

DROWN
DOWN ON RODEO (under the skin)
Faces of glass all hung in the past / They only come here to drown
CAST AWAY DREAMS (under the skin)
It would do no good / To drown in the sea
Where no one remembers their name / And nothing but nothing is free

LIES
SAY GOODBYE (say you will)
It’s so hard to find your way / When the lies come around
STEAL YOUR HEART AWAY (say you will)
And the lie was creeping / Down, down, down / While we were sleeping

DANCE/CHANCES/TIME/CHANGING MINDS
DOWN ON RODEO (under the skin)
We never took quite enough chances / We never had quite enough time
I did about a thousand dances / But nothing would change your mind
SAY YOU WILL (say you will)
Say you will, say you will give me one more chance / At least give me time to change your mind
That always seems to heal the wounds, if I can / Get you to dance
NOT TOO LATE (seeds we sow)
And there’s a need for songs that are sung / For chances not taken for deeds not yet done

FAITH
CAST AWAY DREAMS (under the skin)
Magic one / All our dreams are done / I have no faith today
THROWN DOWN (say you will)
You’ve shaken your faith in me, no / You’ve shaken my faith in everything else
A decision no one makes, and now you’re going home / Faith is a hard thing to hold on to
Something inside you says I don’t have to

MAGIC
CAST AWAY DREAMS (under the skin)
Magic one / All our dreams are done / I have no faith today
YOU MAY BE THE ONE (in your dreams)
You were an angel / And I was a starving child / And we were…magic…

PASSION
UNDER THE SKIN (under the skin)
I know it’s hard being so hard to find / Your passion swallows you whole deaf dumb and blind
CHEAPER THAN FREE (in your dreams)
Better than fashion? High passion.
BOMBAY SAPPHIRES (trouble in shangri-la)
It’s there every day / It’s passion never fades / You know what I mean

SLOW DOWN
SHOW YOU HOW (under the skin)
She said slow down baby, slow down now
MOONLIGHT (A VAMPIRE’S DREAM) (in your dreams)
He slows down / He’s so desperate to stop her / Meet her in the middle
IT TAKES TIME (extended play)
Slow down, baby / Cross that line

SAVE/SURVIVE
IT TAKES TIME (extended play)
If you want to save me / It takes time
FALL FROM GRACE (trouble in shangri-la)
Maybe the reason I say these things / Is to bring you back alive
Maybe I fought this long and this hard / Just to make sure you survive

LINGER
SHOW YOU HOW (under the skin)
And the shadow singer will stand and linger in places no one ever goes
MISS FANTASY (extended play)
Would you still love to linger up against the wall?

MEMORY
MISS FANTASY (extended play)
It may be you don’t remember me / but I remember you
YOU MAY BE THE ONE (in your dreams)
Forget me not, he says / I’m so afraid

FEAR
THE RIGHT PLACE TO FADE (gift of screws)
Come along lay down and talk to me / Tell me all your fear will allow
It doesn’t matter who we thought we were / We ain’t got time for that now
LOVE CHANGES (trouble in shangri-la)
When he was loving I was in tears / He knows my fears
YOU MAY BE THE ONE (in your dreams)
He says, there’s no fear in your eyes / Tell me another lie…

STRAIN
IN OUR OWN TIME (seeds we sow)
Fire still burning, in a while she’ll make it rain
These rooms are all falling down, they couldn’t stand the strain
EVERY DAY (trouble in shangri-la)
Don’t give me visions to explain / There are no doubts I feel the strain

Wow, thank you for that. It is very impressive research. And certainly very interesting. I loved reading all of it.
It really is a very interesting conundrum??????? Would that be the right word to describe this situation?

[Lindsfan]

Originally Posted by michelej1

When I heard about Phil Everly today, I thought of Stevie and Lindsey.

Michele

Me too Sorry to hear of his passing.

[fleetwoodmeg]

Originally Posted by nicole21290

Say Goodbye? Yes. Lindsey's taken a page out of Stevie's handbook and is lying instead of just evading, bless. He was previously very clear on when it was written - after 'taking leave of the band' a long time ago. He's just retconned it, saying it was 'written' for SYW recently when that was merely when FM recorded it. I have my thoughts on why he's done this but *shrugs*. Either way, the changing meaning of the song (well, the changing explanation of the song) amuses me A LOT. I mean, closure isn't a new thing though back in 2003 it was the 'beginning' of closure they were getting, lol. From memory, so forgive error.

The very first show of the year Stevie told us she loves singing it with him and Lindsey started up with his talk about how it represents closure and so on, also informing us that it's funny because he and Stevie are probably closer than they've been since the early seventies. Nice to know...

So as the tour progressed we go from lots of CLOSURE CLOSURE CLOSURE to talk to Say Goodbye being about:
- needing illusions in order to dream
- needing to cast away illusions in order to grow
(Well, did she make you cry,
Make you break down,
Shatter your illusions of love?)
- acceptance
- faith
- resolve for the future

As he said in an interview "All those illusions have fallen away, but that doesn't mean that there isn't resolve and hope and belief in the future in a different context."

I do so love a good evolution in explanation... My favourite, however, was this fun one back when it was still about getting closure in Philly.

"This is a song I wrote about Stevie maybe 10 years ago and, uh, it's about closure. As much as the (?) dialogue between the two of us can be *laughs* (?) and I think we're still trying to find it, right? (?) Or maybe we're not. I don't know. Anyway, it's incredible after all this time that there (?) seem to be a few chapters here between these two people. I don't understand. *laughs*

Okay, first of all Lindsey, you write this in 1987 according to other tours... Also, you were writing about getting closure in your r'ship with Stevie back in 1987 but thought it's time was right in 2003 and yet you STILL think you guys are trying to find that closure in 2013. Except NOT. Because 'MAYBE WE'RE NOT. I DON'T KNOW'. UM, WTF? So, you don't think you ever found that closure and perhaps you're not even bothering to try and get that closure anymore? EMBRACE THAT LOVE, GUYS.

#lovefest2013

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While I'm putting my few cents worth on this thread, have at this. Basically it started months and months ago when I noted some fun lyrical repetitions on Seeds We Sow. We know Lindsey likes to talk about he and Stevie dialoguing in song and he's said many of his songs are about her. So...

Had a dream that you reached for me in the night / Touched me soft and slow
Everything was wrong but everything was right / Oh, the seeds we sow

Fire still burning, in a while she’ll make it rain / These rooms are all falling down, they couldn’t stand the strain
And the same old dream, she was hiding outside my door / She used to come from time to time but not any more

I wake up in the middle of the night / With you in my heart / With you in my heart
I can’t touch you any more / It causes you harm

When you’re waiting for your ocean to rise / All alone at night long after I’ve gone
And your conversations all end in lies / And you wake up singing one of my songs

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By theme/word. Basically, I've included stuff from Lindsey's last three albums (including covers), from Stevie's TISL and IYD and then FM's SYW and the EP.

HIDING/DOOR/ROOM
GREAT DAY (gift of screws)
The currents they caught her / Hiding in my room
IN OUR OWN TIME (seeds we sow)
And the same old dream, she was hiding outside my door / She used to come from time to time but not any more
THROWN DOWN (say you will)
You can sit outside his door and wait / Well, you can dedicate your pain to him

DREAMS
UNDERGROUND (gift of screws)
I go to my lover we lay on our bed / Did I sell my heart for the dreams in my head?
IN OUR OWN TIME (seeds we sow)
And the same old dream, she was hiding outside my door / She used to come from time to time but not any more
DID YOU MISS ME (gift of screws)
Did you miss me in the evening? / When everyone is bound to dream
SHUT US DOWN (under the skin)
Oh you and I we sure can dream / Of conversations that might have been
CAST AWAY DREAMS (under the skin)
Magic one / All our dreams are done / I have no faith today
CAST AWAY DREAMS (under the skin)
Hearts will break / With choices we must make / So sleep and dream of me
UNDER THE SKIN (under the skin)
Lay your head down no one will see / Cry me a river of new dreams float yourself free
SHOW YOU HOW (under the skin)
You can float downstream let the past be the past / You can wake up from a dream and find your other half
MISS FANTASY (extended play)
I had another dream of you last night / sailing on a sea of blue
EVERYBODY LOVES YOU (in your dreams)
She was so unaffected / By his dream
For his dream of her / Was just not possible

OCEAN/SEA
GREAT DAY (gift of screws)
Mirrors in her eyes / She was wet she was soaking
Ashes in the ocean / And her heart was broken
IN OUR OWN TIME (seeds we sow)
When you’re waiting for your ocean to rise / All alone at night long after I’ve gone
TREASON (gift of screws)
Deep down in the ocean deep down in the sea / Saw your face full of grace searching for me
DID YOU MISS ME (gift of screws)
I took a trip out of town / A hundred years underground
I had to swim across the sea / When you were my baby
SHOW YOU HOW (under the skin)
You can float downstream let the past be the past / You can wake up from a dream and find your other half
MISS FANTASY (extended play)
I had another dream of you last night / sailing on a sea of blue
BOMBAY SAPPHIRES (trouble in shangri-la)
The sea never changes - not really / It is the constant in my life
I always return here / To the flash of those colors

PLANS
CAST AWAY DREAMS (under the skin)
Holy light, visionary sight / There’s been a change in plans
Going away / No, I cannot stay / I hope you understand
EVERYBODY LOVES YOU (in your dreams)
She was so enchanted by his voice / She was so shaken by his words
His plan for her… / Was just not possible / She had no words…

GOOD/GREAT DAY
GREAT DAY (gift of screws)
It was a great day, great day
ROCK AWAY BLIND (seeds we sow)
Cast your fate, we’ve all found a way / As they say, it’s another good day

RULES
GREAT DAY (gift of screws)
The day was dark and burning / All the time we were learning
The rules concerning / Of the corner we were turning
DESTINY RULES (say we will)
It’s not being together, / It’s just following the rules
No one’s a fool…

CRIME
GREAT DAY (gift of screws)
A wish that is walking / Is just a crime scene talking
If it’s a plea that you’re copping / It’s just a door that you’re locking
ROCK AWAY BLIND (seeds we sow)
I keep walking on this heart of mine / I could go crazy without even trying / Fleeing the scene of the crime
IN OUR OWN TIME (seeds we sow)
Nothing here remains, just a vision of her face / The implications of a crime, it always takes the place

WHITE AND BLUE/CLUES
ROCK AWAY BLIND (seeds we sow)
I see clues that you leave behind / White or blue, I know it can’t be mine / I want to look for what I might find
BOMBAY SAPPHIRES (trouble in shangri-la)
I can see past you - to the white sand… / It is blue / It is not about you
It is all true / You know—who I am
MISS FANTASY (extended play)
You’re the queen of the underground / Never leaving a clue
RED ROVER (say you will)
And the lips you were kissing night after night / All were bathed in blue, all bathed in white

LINE CROSSING/TIME
IN OUR OWN TIME (seeds we sow)
Wouldn’t make any difference / We crossed the line
IT TAKES TIME (extended play)
Slow down, baby / Cross that line

WRONG/RIGHT
ROCK AWAY BLIND (seeds we sow)
Freedom is someone to know / There is no right or wrong anymore
SEEDS WE SOW (seeds we sow)
Touched me soft and slow / Everything was wrong but everything was right

UNDERGROUND
UNDERGROUND (gift of screws)
I think I might wander underground
DID YOU MISS ME (gift of screws)
I took a trip out of town / A hundred years underground
I had to swim across the sea / When you were my baby
LOVE RUNS DEEPER (gift of screws)
Black angel can’t be alone / Love runs deeper from the underground
MISS FANTASY (extended play)
You’re the queen of the underground / Never leaving a clue

NOT TOO LATE
THE RIGHT PLACE TO FADE (gift of screws)
Waiting for the light that might light our way / Waiting for the right place to fade / I swear I swear I swear it’s not too late
NOT TOO LATE (seeds we sow)
What am I doing anyway / Telling myself it’s not too late

PARALLEL
LOVE RUNS DEEPER (gift of screws)
How you mystified / Just a blinding flash / We were parallel lines
DESTINY RULES (say you will)
Maybe we were together in another life / Maybe we are together in a parallel universe

SHOW YOU HOW
DID YOU MISS ME (gift of screws)
Look at us now / The years fall down / Show me how
SHOW YOU HOW (seeds we sow)
Come ‘round and get me, I’ll show you, show you, show you how

DROWN
DOWN ON RODEO (under the skin)
Faces of glass all hung in the past / They only come here to drown
CAST AWAY DREAMS (under the skin)
It would do no good / To drown in the sea
Where no one remembers their name / And nothing but nothing is free

LIES
SAY GOODBYE (say you will)
It’s so hard to find your way / When the lies come around
STEAL YOUR HEART AWAY (say you will)
And the lie was creeping / Down, down, down / While we were sleeping

DANCE/CHANCES/TIME/CHANGING MINDS
DOWN ON RODEO (under the skin)
We never took quite enough chances / We never had quite enough time
I did about a thousand dances / But nothing would change your mind
SAY YOU WILL (say you will)
Say you will, say you will give me one more chance / At least give me time to change your mind
That always seems to heal the wounds, if I can / Get you to dance
NOT TOO LATE (seeds we sow)
And there’s a need for songs that are sung / For chances not taken for deeds not yet done

FAITH
CAST AWAY DREAMS (under the skin)
Magic one / All our dreams are done / I have no faith today
THROWN DOWN (say you will)
You’ve shaken your faith in me, no / You’ve shaken my faith in everything else
A decision no one makes, and now you’re going home / Faith is a hard thing to hold on to
Something inside you says I don’t have to

MAGIC
CAST AWAY DREAMS (under the skin)
Magic one / All our dreams are done / I have no faith today
YOU MAY BE THE ONE (in your dreams)
You were an angel / And I was a starving child / And we were…magic…

PASSION
UNDER THE SKIN (under the skin)
I know it’s hard being so hard to find / Your passion swallows you whole deaf dumb and blind
CHEAPER THAN FREE (in your dreams)
Better than fashion? High passion.
BOMBAY SAPPHIRES (trouble in shangri-la)
It’s there every day / It’s passion never fades / You know what I mean

SLOW DOWN
SHOW YOU HOW (under the skin)
She said slow down baby, slow down now
MOONLIGHT (A VAMPIRE’S DREAM) (in your dreams)
He slows down / He’s so desperate to stop her / Meet her in the middle
IT TAKES TIME (extended play)
Slow down, baby / Cross that line

SAVE/SURVIVE
IT TAKES TIME (extended play)
If you want to save me / It takes time
FALL FROM GRACE (trouble in shangri-la)
Maybe the reason I say these things / Is to bring you back alive
Maybe I fought this long and this hard / Just to make sure you survive

LINGER
SHOW YOU HOW (under the skin)
And the shadow singer will stand and linger in places no one ever goes
MISS FANTASY (extended play)
Would you still love to linger up against the wall?

MEMORY
MISS FANTASY (extended play)
It may be you don’t remember me / but I remember you
YOU MAY BE THE ONE (in your dreams)
Forget me not, he says / I’m so afraid

FEAR
THE RIGHT PLACE TO FADE (gift of screws)
Come along lay down and talk to me / Tell me all your fear will allow
It doesn’t matter who we thought we were / We ain’t got time for that now
LOVE CHANGES (trouble in shangri-la)
When he was loving I was in tears / He knows my fears
YOU MAY BE THE ONE (in your dreams)
He says, there’s no fear in your eyes / Tell me another lie…

STRAIN
IN OUR OWN TIME (seeds we sow)
Fire still burning, in a while she’ll make it rain
These rooms are all falling down, they couldn’t stand the strain
EVERY DAY (trouble in shangri-la)
Don’t give me visions to explain / There are no doubts I feel the strain

Wow! Nice work So why do you think he changed the date of when the song was written?

Megan

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by fleetwoodmeg

Wow! Nice work So why do you think he changed the date of when the song was written?

Megan

He changed the date because the dates changed.

[MrStevie]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

He changed the date because the dates changed.

He changed the date for the same reason Chris is saying she wrote "Over My Head" about him. These people crack me up. They never quit.

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by MrStevie

He changed the date for the same reason Chris is saying she wrote "Over My Head" about him. These people crack me up. They never quit.

Hahaha! I've missed you! Welcome back.

[MrStevie]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

Hahaha! I've missed you! Welcome back.

No telling how long it'll last.

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by MrStevie

No telling how long it'll last.

Haha! Understood! I will enjoy as long as I can.

[StreetAngel86]

Originally Posted by Kena

Now on the Stevie end of things- she has mentioned how much she adores Lindsey's children & I'd bet money that she shows Kristen a great deal of kindness & doesn't try to intimidate her... Stevie just doesn't seem like the type (now at least- when she was younger yeah probably). She may have a little streak of that in her every now & then so I have wondered if sometimes she says things about Lindsey just because she can... Because she is Stevie Nicks! And darn it, she coulda had Lindsey if she wanted him- but she broke up with him...If she had ever really really really wanted him back, she probably could of had him. It might have taken a little more effort after he got with Kristen but Stevie could have made it happen.

ITA. I bet if she wanted him back she could have him easily but she never has/doesn't want to/hasn't tried. I've always thought (despite his marriage) he's always (still) loved her more than she loves him. So it probably wouldn't take too much on her part to take him back...if she was inclined.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by StreetAngel86

ITA. I bet if she wanted him back she could have him easily but she never has/doesn't want to/hasn't tried. I've always thought (despite his marriage) he's always (still) loved her more than she loves him. So it probably wouldn't take too much on her part to take him back...if she was inclined.

And I've always thought that neither has loved the other more than they've loved their own temperament and stubborn wills. They were both the type to have big arguments and leave. Sausalito and Aspen are probably only two examples of when Lindsey has left angrily.

The only way she could "get him back" is if she changed or stifled her personality. The only way he could "keep her" is if he changed his. Neither was ever likely to change for the other. He's never been the type who says, "if you take me back I'll be different." Getting Lindsey back is like getting a tiger by the tail. That's why she's written that he wouldn't let her love him. It's not like he'd make a docile return to her arms, if only she'd have him. He's never loved her enough to change for her and I think she did change for him, although she might have done that for her career more than for love. But I see the reason they stayed apart is because both would have to suppress too much of themselves to stay together. They'd have to stop being who they are. And who they are is what creates the passion and the conflict.

Michele

[elle]

Originally Posted by StreetAngel86

ITA. I bet if she wanted him back she could have him easily but she never has/doesn't want to/hasn't tried.

from all the stories sounds like she tried. succeeded. and then pulled back. for decades, that same circle. that's why she had him so hooked and why he was so messed up for so long.

Originally Posted by StreetAngel86

I've always thought (despite his marriage) he's always (still) loved her more than she loves him. So it probably wouldn't take too much on her part to take him back...if she was inclined.

no, i think it's over now, as far as he's concerned. he's done and seems to find her and her quirks endearing now. maybe she actually does want him now or more probable she likes the idea of them as that whole power couple thing / the one that got away drama - even more because she can't have him, anymore. it may be just an act, a fodder that she uses in her interviews, and she actually doesn't care or has some healthy relationship going that nobody knows about, but from what she says it kinda sounds like she never grew up, relationship-wise. he finally did.

[elle]

Originally Posted by michelej1

And I've always thought that neither has loved the other more than they've loved their own temperament and stubborn wills.

well yeah, but that doesn't make nearly as big or romantic story.