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According to Mick, they layered her vocals into the mix of the album after the fact. It's not like they had a bunch of her background vocals there that Lindsey chose not to use. They didn't have much and only got some after the rest of the recording was finished.
They'd worked on it a year and she'd only been in the studio for a couple of days. When she heard the album and didn't hear herself (the argument erupted over Christine's song, according to Mick) she was mad and so they put her in, to the extent that they could. But the fact that they didn't go back and put in MORE background vocals to mix into finished recordings after the album was done, just to make up for the fact that she wasn't there when they were actually doing it in the first place, would not suggest spitefulness on Lindsey's part to me. If she'd been there all along and they viciously cut her backgrond vocals out, it would be a different story. As far as the song choices on the album, I don't think What Has Rock and Roll Ever Done for You, is better than When I See You Again, not unless you wanted a faster song on the album. I'm not into the drug rehabilitation songs, but from the band's perspective, I think they thought the songs captured real emotions, the real pain of "Sara Anderson" and, in using them, they might have thought they were recreating some of the magic of Rumours where the songs reflected real life events. I think they thought they might be more powerful than other songs, because of the facts behind them. Michele |
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Although "Welcome to the Room Sara" generally evokes disdain by many people. I find it to be her most interesting and intriguing songs, as odd as it is.
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According to what has been reported, Stevie was hardly present and when she complained she wasn't represented in the songs, the band layered some more harmonies to make her happy. True, Lindsey was the architect of the Tango sound. The album doesn't get as much love as it deserves now because it sounds so dated but, the truth is, without Lindsey's genius, it would have likely been rather mediocre. It certainly would have lacked that "specialness" we would expect from FM. You can see what I mean buy listening to next studio album after that. |
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Stevie was there for 10 days or something and Lindsey was having to arrange, co-produce, play guitar, sing his own songs, do backing on others etc.. Lindsey has said a few times that none of them were in great shape because of 'addictions' - so given all of that, and the fact that it was recorded at his own house - I think he did a hell of a job. I actually don't think this album sounds quite as dated as people make out either, listening to 'Everywhere' yesterday it still has a timeless feel about it. It knocks spots off Mirage and the albums that followed for me, although he was fortunate that Christine produced (imo) her best set of songs and of course Richard Dashut played a big part, but given the pressure Lindsey was under (which was proved when he jumped ship not long afterwards) I'm glad it sold as well as it did and helped them re-establish themselves as a popular, big selling band again. Last edited by Dragonfly; 03-11-2013 at 11:48 AM.. |
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Anyway ,sorry I don't rely on Mick's book as the Fleetwood Mac gospel to pull quotes from. But that is what happened ,he had a chip on his shoulder with her the entire time ..right up to when he left the band. And he called the shots with those songs,he asked for Seven Wonders in particular out of the bunch of songs she brought to them instead of what she was offering/hoping to record for the album...so he got it,even used the first vocal she did there and then for the song. Not that she'd complain now,she loves TITN but it seems wasteful to not have used the b/g vocals she recorded and the songs she presented..especially seeing as her solo career was still in good shape at that point..it'd have made sense to include her equally. And lest we forget she was on tour and doing promo when they were putting Tango together..it's not like they called and she said no i'm not doing it,she literally couldn't be there due to commitments. Sorry I can't reference sources or quotes i'd have to dig deep but there are others who can back this up out there who know their stuff i'm sure. |
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She has spoken about this as recently as this year. Yes, it's true Juliet, Joan of Arc and Special Kind of Love didn't get on the album, but no one has said it's because Lindsey rejected those songs. Not that she'd complain? In what universe? She complains non-stop. I don't think she particularly likes Tango, but it's not because Lindsey messed up her songs. Before she talked about her drug problems, in the nineties she used to say she wasn't around for Tango because they were jealous of her solo career and treated her badly when she was there. She never said he didn't use her best songs or did a hatchet job on vocals or anything. Quote:
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As far as him using the first vocal for the song, what's wrong with that. How do you know the subsequent vocals she did for Seven Wonders were superior to the first vocal? Stevie herself said she couldn't do the vocal again as good as she did the very first time. So, why was it wrong for Lindsey to use that first vocal when Stevie agrees it was the best one?? She says that they "we" went with the first vocal. Stevie said: Quote:
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In this universe...she has said so.She loves TITN. ok sorry I can't trawl the net for endless quotes but it's true.
And I never said it was bad to use the first vocal,I just said it was used.It turned out great. I'm not doing this net forum back & forth battle,it's soooo not my thing. ...And there are b/g vocals for a bunch of those songs,they weren't used,on the whole record she got the 'Tell Me liiiiesss' part (and the ''wearing out'' Am What I Am'' bit on Family Man that people swear is the Lindsey/speed oscillator thing)...that's it. Underused. That's all i'm saying. |
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So Stevie just sang what she THOUGHT were the lyrics to Seven Wonders for the initial takes takes, and then Sandy sent her the real lyrics and they were really different from what she had been singing... and they ended up going with the first take so that's why she has co-writing credit? Am I understanding that right?
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I've always strongly believed that, if nothing else, a different sequencing would have helped balance Stevie's presence on the album. She has the second slot on the album, and then is basically MIA for the next 6 tracks. Moving both "Little Lies" and "Welcome To The Room, Sara" a little earlier in the running order helps a lot.
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