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Art is subjective. Calling something an "artistic fail," is a way-too general term, in my opinion. But I'm not calling you out on your reactions. It's no more valid/invalid than anyone else's. That's the beauty of all forms of art.
But I think it's a bit much to suggest that someone who had prior substance abuse issues might be "medicated to the gills," simply because you don't like the way he speaks. And, for the record, I don't care for the canned speeches, either. But I'm not accusing him of being a drugged-out zombie. I think there is NO evidence of this at all. The physical stamina of one of the live shows + age + medication would have sent him to the hospital at the very least. He is who he is. I watched a hell of a lot of his old interviews. He was repeating himself even then. It's who he is. I don't care for that but...I don't think those speeches are at all geared to repeat customers. |
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I'd say he likes to repeat himself is all. Last edited by Fiver; 10-04-2011 at 07:32 AM.. |
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He repeats himself, occasionally gets a new phrase to throw in ("painting vs moviemaking" -> "big movie vs independent film" -> "big machine vs little machine", etc), and I think sometimes he's too bitter about Rumours to notice that people actually WANT him to play more than Big Love over and over. I also agree that he didn't really "take any chances" with SWS, but that doesn't make me dislike the album at all (except Stars). He has his own idea of what he's good at and that's what he wants to show off.
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His position on this doesn't make a lot of sense, though. He claims to want to follow his muse on principle, but seems to cave on that time and time again. He plays GYOW at solo gigs because people want it. So 'playing what people want' is something he is prepared to do - on principle - even when he's 100% the boss - even when he doesn't have to play nice because FM are so conservative. I'm reminded of Lou Reed playing a gig in New York a few years ago, at which he played the audience two hours of experimental jazz. People walked out. Lou was unrepentant. His attitude was: 'You want Walk On The Wild Side? Go home and play it on CD. This is what I'm doing at the moment.' His role as the enfant terrible is also spurious in any context outside of FM. I mean, really: how edgy do you have to be to look edgy standing next to Stevie Nicks and Christine McVie? His solo stuff, I agree, has more of a legit claim to be out of the mainstream - but guess what? LB doesn't like earning peanuts, so he keeps a foot in the door of the 'big machine'. But why do this, if it's so artistically difficult and diluted and tainted by having to take seriously the opinions of lesser geniuses? The only credible answer is that he has always enjoyed making music with FM more than he admits and/or he's a breadhead just like Mick - and Stevie and John, and oh yeah, The Eagles. His 'big vs small machine' schtick also has little credibility artistically because it entails zero risk. I mean, you can claim that one enables the other if that is fundamentally true. In other words, if the small machine could not produce anything without the big machine, then that holds water. But after Rumours, LB could have turned his back forever on FM and never worked a day in his life and raised six kids, never mind three, and bought enough Fruit of the Loom t-shirts to sink a battleship. But he didn't. He kept going back. Why? Personally, I think it was because he suffered a massive, years-long crisis of confidence, made worse by Stevie's solo success without him. So he ran, time and again, back to the place where his status as the bringer of genius was secure, and all the time telling himself - and us, ad nauseum - that it was they who needed him. The truth is, of course, that LB and FM have benefited mutually from their association. And I know Lindsey is finally beginning to say that other people bring things to the party musically in FM, and even in the old days of BN. So kudos for that, LB - and dare we hope that that spirit of mutual respect could carry into some new FM music? I do hope so. Loz |
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And you don't have to agree with me of course, but my aunt who speaks NO ENGLISH and came from Venezuela a week before I took her to the show was singing along to those three songs in the car and at the show immediately. However, Stevie's new album (which I had in my dash and she took with her to borrow for the week) did nothing for her. Different strokes.
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Yeah, I actually agree with a lot of this. What I mean as far as the Big Love shtick is like when he picks the least interesting/challenging new songs from, say, GOS, to play live and thinks that's the most amazing thing he can give his fans, or despite apparently getting regular requests from the audience for Rock Away Blind (this tour) and Bleed To Love Her (every tour including this one), he just keeps saying, "oh, we'll have to rehearse that" and never gets around to playing it. It's not like most of the audience knows his "hit" solo songs any better than his "obscure" solo songs. He would probably get the same level of applause from the majority of casual concertgoers for playing ANYTHING he's ever done solo.
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rocket science
"dont listen to my music
dont buy my albums dont come to my shows dont listen to my interviews" |
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Here's my problem: Lindsey Buckingham is threatening yet again to try and get involved in making new music with someone whose work I enjoy and look forward to - viz, Stevie Nicks. So unfortunately that makes where his head is at relevant to me. |
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(only kidding with you, but you have to understand how it sounds from my end...just a little...)
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Did you ever stop to think that this IS the music HE likes? This IS the music he doesn't feel he can produce, in his way, for FM? This is the music he wants to present to the world-no hidden agenda involved? I mean, he's not making a fortune on this tour. I would doubt he's making any profit, frankly.
Maybe his head is not with some bizarro world thing that you expect from him and his opinion of cutting edge or small machinery is HIS opinion, which just doesn't happen to match up with yours. (But, surprisingly, matches up with the majority of people here and ... oh, yeah...in the press. But, what do any of US know?) |
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