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07-18-2004, 07:06 PM
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If I understood correctly from Jeffrey's original post, he found the 45 single and, being curious as to its origins, he investigated it.
Finding out that it featured two rare songs performed by Lindsey & Stevie's first band, he posted about the auction here to bring it to the attention of their fans. I don't believe Jeffrey was actively trying to sell a bootleg, but rather a record that, for all intents and purposes, looked to have been released by a legitimate record company. I don't know him, and I'm not trying to stick up for him, but I get the feeling that he's not simply a "chicken ****" bootleg seller. I doubt he's even been back here since the auction closed, being that he probably assumes there's no reason to come back, and is therefore unaware of anything that has been posted in the time since then. So, Javier, I'd suggest trying to contact Jeffrey thru the website he listed in post #9 of this thread, if you want more information on how he found the 45. Beyond that, I think the folks who run (ran?) Karma Records are who you really need to get in touch with, as they're the ones who manufactured and released the single. 
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07-18-2004, 07:07 PM
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07-18-2004, 07:17 PM
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I'd be curious to find out exactly what his share of the liability here is. Seems to me the people who actually stole the intellectual property and released it without authorization are the real villains.
Also, it strikes me as kind of funny that Lindsey's and Stevie's stuff, which arguably would have a considerably bigger audience, has been stolen lots of times in the past and sold as bootlegs. Have Lindsey and Stevie ever gone to the trouble of suing people over it?
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07-18-2004, 07:30 PM
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Would this Jeffrey guy really be considered liable for selling something that he apparently bought legitimately (didn't he say he found it in a used-record store, or did I misunderstand)? If a seemingly legitimate record company (in this case, Karma Records), manufactures a product, and someone buys it through legitimate sources, isn't it their property to do with as they please (ie: re-selling it on eBay or elsewhere, if they so desire)? Certainly Karma Records can (and should) be held accountable for releasing something that never belonged to them in the first place... but once someone else buys a copy of it, I'm not sure that any legal burden should be placed on them if they choose to re-sell it. But, admittedly, I don't know every nuance of the laws regarding these types of situations. 
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07-18-2004, 08:27 PM
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Guys...
Um....you might wanna check the Ebay items again.....weird things abound.....
 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=4018778913 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=4021387277
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07-18-2004, 08:42 PM
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07-18-2004, 09:21 PM
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 Jeffrey's found quite a few of 'em.  In any case, in order to get them kicked off of eBay, they must be proven to be bootlegs. Javier has the burden of proof, not Jeffrey.
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07-18-2004, 09:48 PM
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I wasn't even aware that the second copy went up....at first I figured that the seller was just a cat who found this rare single, did some research and discovered it was Fritz. But seeing that another one was listed with Buy It Now of $770!!???!!! WTH??!!! Seems like the seller probably knows more than he's letting on............ I wouldn't be surprised if he had more copies.......
The fact that he's made over $1500 on these two discs is disgusting. And the artists aren't getting a cent..... shame, shame, shame....
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07-18-2004, 11:12 PM
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07-18-2004, 11:17 PM
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07-19-2004, 01:55 AM
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Well, they're back!! Lost Jukebox and its mighty team of historic instigators--I mean, investigators. What is curious is that the 45 rpm label seems so very primitive by commercial standards. To me it seems rather small-town, 50s. The simple design is meant to give the impression of age, but it somehow doesn't convince me. Its clearly designed to confuse. Diss, I only have to prove that the product was not meant for commercial sale and is therefore unauthorized--I can do that. Doesn't matter whose hands its in. Check to see if they're still there tomorrow. And yes you are right, Cuerna Vaca, ees no big deal. It'd be real nice if they threw me some centavos for a beer. These people can actually apply to the Fed for permission to put this out, and there is little one can do. That's why they use "Sincerely San Jose," to broaden the mystery. I am investigating the matter for my own curiosity, it just seems so coincidental that these alleged 45 "records" would appear now, one after the other.
These dudes are brazen because they know there is little that can be done. But notice Jeffs hasn't been around. Of course people go back to the scenes of their crimes! Who doesn't go back to reread a post they left somewhere? Duh. I know its useless--I'll stop one and another will pop up. The copyright laws of this nation governing protections for composers are actually 1907 statutes that were designed by another compromised body of world leaders who gave sweeping economic control of a composer's livlihood to their mutual benefactors, the publishing houses. That's why our "cut" is always so low. Musicians, composers, libretists, are among the easiest in history to manipulate and rob (legally, of course) thanks to the ethos of those old laws that still currently exist within the upper echelons of the recording industry. We barely have a digital law in effect, thank you,way much damage has been done. For new generations, its been so easy to download stuff. For some there are no ethics involved in the matter. To these ingenuine entrepreneurial folk, they are merely "filling a need." Filling the void. But the disguise is a little too obvious. Actually, I am rather amazed that people would really want to plop down that much buck for two numbers. Last edited by javier; 07-19-2004 at 02:00 AM..
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07-19-2004, 07:24 AM
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07-19-2004, 07:46 AM
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