Everybody Finds Out

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by BLY

I was listening to SYW today and once again as I was listening and rocking out to EBFO I again thought how this track would have been a great song on Tango in the Night 16 years earlier. I wouldn’t replace it I would just add it after Mystified.

Yes, I would love to hear this on TITN. It would fit into that album nicely.

SYW's problem is it's just a collection of songs forced into an album.
Yes, there is some stellar material here; but, it just doesn't flow well.

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

Yes, I would love to hear this on TITN. It would fit into that album nicely.

SYW's problem is it's just a collection of songs forced into an album.
Yes, there is some stellar material here; but, it just doesn't flow well.

Say You Will should've been called Lindsey + Stevie. Would've then sounded like a collection of songs rather than an album.

When was EbFO written?

She wrote 4 new songs in 2002 for SYW, right? The Phoenix Four:
1. Say You Will
2. Silver Girl
3. Destiny Rules
4. ?

[aleuzzi]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

Say You Will should've been called Lindsey + Stevie. Would've then sounded like a collection of songs rather than an album.

When was EbFO written?

She wrote 4 new songs in 2002 for SYW, right? The Phoenix Four:
1. Say You Will
2. Silver Girl
3. Destiny Rules
4. ?

Illume!

Throw Down was semi-new written a couple of years before.

[Macfan4life]

OMG
This song does not belong on Tango. It would stand out like a sore thumb. Its great on SYW. Tango is full of synthetic, programmed, synth pop. Everybody Finds Out has none of that and everyone is playing the hell out of their instruments.
I think some of you Tango worshippers unconsciously acknowledge Tango's weaknesses and always trying to put other songs on it.
While Tango was a huge success, it way underperformed in sales in the states by the amount of hit singles it had. IMHO, that sums it up. Its safe, predictable pop music but there was no rush to go buy it. Everybody Finds Out is unpredictable and unprogrammed and its perfect where it is

IMHO it was refreshing to hear Lindsey's muted criticism of Tango recently about how safe and predictable it was. It was done on purpose to get Mick out of bankruptcy and be a pop success while creativity took a back seat. SYW is Lindsey at his best, always fighting for creativity and demonstrating it. To mix up these albums is comparing apples to watermelons IMHO.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

OMG
This song does not belong on Tango. It would stand out like a sore thumb. Its great on SYW. Tango is full of synthetic, programmed, synth pop. Everybody Finds Out has none of that and everyone is playing the hell out of their instruments.
I think some of you Tango worshippers unconsciously acknowledge Tango's weaknesses and always trying to put other songs on it.
While Tango was a huge success, it way underperformed in sales in the states by the amount of hit singles it had. IMHO, that sums it up. Its safe, predictable pop music but there was no rush to go buy it. Everybody Finds Out is unpredictable and unprogrammed and its perfect where it is

IMHO it was refreshing to hear Lindsey's muted criticism of Tango recently about how safe and predictable it was. It was done on purpose to get Mick out of bankruptcy and be a pop success while creativity took a back seat. SYW is Lindsey at his best, always fighting for creativity and demonstrating it. To mix up these albums is comparing apples to watermelons IMHO.

I disagree with just about everything you have stated here. Still love you though.

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

I disagree with just about everything you have stated here. Still love you though.

You're not getting Everybody Finds Out for Tango. No way Jose. SYW is a fantastic album and this song highlights many of the album's wonders.

However, under duress we will give you Silver Girl. No questions asked. Cheaper than free. And it would be Stevie's BEST Tango contribution

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

However, under duress we will give you Silver Girl. No questions asked. Cheaper than free. And it would be Stevie's BEST Tango contribution

Cheaper Than Free should be scrubbed from IYD on itunes and spotify like Gaga did with Do Want You Want With My Body.

I dont know what she was thinking putting that song on. My Heart woulda closed the album better and kept the momentum from Italian Summer

High Fashion, High Passion. Good God!

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

You're not getting Everybody Finds Out for Tango. No way Jose. SYW is a fantastic album and this song highlights many of the album's wonders.

However, under duress we will give you Silver Girl. No questions asked. Cheaper than free. And it would be Stevie's BEST Tango contribution

The only reason Tango was successful was because Lindsey left.

[BLY]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

OMG
This song does not belong on Tango. It would stand out like a sore thumb. Its great on SYW. Tango is full of synthetic, programmed, synth pop. Everybody Finds Out has none of that and everyone is playing the hell out of their instruments.
I think some of you Tango worshippers unconsciously acknowledge Tango's weaknesses and always trying to put other songs on it.
While Tango was a huge success, it way underperformed in sales in the states by the amount of hit singles it had. IMHO, that sums it up. Its safe, predictable pop music but there was no rush to go buy it. Everybody Finds Out is unpredictable and unprogrammed and its perfect where it is

IMHO it was refreshing to hear Lindsey's muted criticism of Tango recently about how safe and predictable it was. It was done on purpose to get Mick out of bankruptcy and be a pop success while creativity took a back seat. SYW is Lindsey at his best, always fighting for creativity and demonstrating it. To mix up these albums is comparing apples to watermelons IMHO.

I love EFO on SYW. My point is it could have been on Tango. Listen to it between Big Love and Family Man.

[aleuzzi]

Originally Posted by BLY

I love EFO on SYW. My point is it could have been on Tango. Listen to it between Big Love and Family Man.

I see it. Totally. I mean I love EFO on SYW, but as it is arranged and performed in 2003 easily could have sit between Christine and Lindsey’s material in 1987. The Rick Knowles co-write evokes the best features of “I Can’t Wait,” still a song that pales in comparison to EFO.

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by BLY

I love EFO on SYW. My point is it could have been on Tango. Listen to it between Big Love and Family Man.

Any Stevie song put on Tango would have been an improvement. EFO is an orchestra of sound of real instruments. Of course it would have improved Tango but that's not much of a bar to reach.
I would take the other approach. Instead of putting EFO on Tango, can we make Tango more like EFO

[David]

I love the lyrics on “Everybody Finds Out.” How does it go again?

When love starts out in the darkness
It doesn’t do well in the light
Affairs of the heart that start out in the dark
Usually stay with the night

When nobody sees them
At least not together [weird line, that]
She rarely goes out
She spends every day waiting for the day
When everybody finds out

I have no problem with the songs on the Say You Will album. They’re good songs and some of them are great. (I’m not going to list which songs are great because some of you will jump down my throat.) But there are producer choices I dislike: the flange and phase effects on the vocals, which is really excessive; the tin-horn EQ (done deliberately in the style that was popular at that time to accommodate heavy subwoofers in automobiles); and the smack engineering which gave me Meniere’s syndrome or destroyed several million inner-ear hair cells with all that pan and delay. Question for Mark Needham: does Fleetwood Mac have to sound like Flavor Flav? Mick and John are sometimes engineered to sound like human voices doing beatboxing.

Of course, the issue with the technology “improvements” is only relative. These engineering styles aren’t good or bad in an absolute sense. The question is whether they serve the songs and the personality of the band. I think Dashut, Caillat, and the band had already pioneered a personal production style in their batch of albums, and in retrospect it was a better fit for the songs than anything since. The evidence is that the original “Dreams” is much better than any of the four dozen modern remixes of the song, and the original songs on Tango are better than all those club remixes, which huff and puff like aerobics and you lose the emotional core of the song.

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by aleuzzi

Illume!

Throw Down was semi-new written a couple of years before.

Thank you!

Thrown Down and Not Make Believe she recorded for TISL but didn't use or pulled I understand.

Running Through the Garden was written in 85. Perhaps EbFO was written then too