I Miss Bob Welch

[HomerMcvie]

Bob was great, and FM should be ashamed that they've ignored his legacy.

I was just reading a couple of his posts I'd saved, literally an hour ago, after reading the publishing thread in the other forum. He was responding to questions that I'd asked him. So approachable, and so nice.

I left Nashville(where he lived) the morning he committed suicide. When I got to my other place, I checked in here, and saw that he'd died. My heart sank. I'd always dreamed of inviting him and Wendy out to dinner, and I'm reasonable sure they might have accepted. I was just too afraid of rejection. Regrets, I've got a few...

[Macfan4life]

It really was a sad ending to such a brilliant performer. The way the Mac treated him was horrible. I believe Bob's wife since she would have no reason to lie that it was Chris and Mick that prevented him from the RRHOF.
One of my biggest regrets in life was not emailing him, buying something, or posting something on this website in the late 90s early 2000. I remember going and reading stuff there and was like "oh cool" but it took me a few more years to really appreciate Bob's work even more. It gets forgotten or not told but it was Bob that brought the band to the States. Without Bob who knows if the Mac ever would have taken the plunge to come to the states. Bob took the band on a more mystical and magical path and adding harmony. Without Bob there would have never been Stevie and Lindsey. Without Bob the band would have never been the super group they turned into.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

It really was a sad ending to such a brilliant performer. The way the Mac treated him was horrible. I believe Bob's wife since she would have no reason to lie that it was Chris and Mick that prevented him from the RRHOF.

I don't think it was Mick. He's not the grudge holding type. It was Chris. She IS the grudge holding type.

[aleuzzi]

Bob was a very good, inventive guitar player and a unique singer. But his true legacy, I think, is in songwriting. Most of the songs from the Welch-years Mac albums and at least a half-dozen tunes from various solo albums (even beyond his three or four solo singles) are ripe for reinterpretation by an artist who can reach a wider audience. Some of the best candidates for this are his less-celebrated tunes. Miles Away, The Ghost, Watch the Animals, Emerald Eyes, and Angel—to name just a few.

And then there are the stunners—Future Games, Lay It All Down, Hypnotized, Night Watch....

He gave a lot.

Ultimately, the academy is responsible for his being overlooked for the RRHOF honor, but none of the core trio, Christine in particular, would advocate for him. If you watch The Dance rehearsal interview with the Rumours lineup, her anger is evident even at Mick’s mention of Bob’s name.

The snub from RRHOF should have been corrected years later, once all the animosity had passed. But again, no one in the band would step forward to advocate. Bob died feeling undervalued and forgotten. He wasn’t. He isn’t.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by aleuzzi

Bob was a very good, inventive guitar player and a unique singer. But his true legacy, I think, is in songwriting. Most of the songs from the Welch-years Mac albums and at least a half-dozen tunes from various solo albums (even beyond his three or four solo singles) are ripe for reinterpretation by an artist who can reach a wider audience. Some of the best candidates for this are his less-celebrated tunes. Miles Away, The Ghost, Watch the Animals, Emerald Eyes, and Angel—to name just a few.

And then there are the stunners—Future Games, Lay It All Down, Hypnotized, Night Watch....

He gave a lot.

Ultimately, the academy is responsible for his being overlooked for the RRHOF honor, but none of the core trio, Christine in particular, would advocate for him. If you watch The Dance rehearsal interview with the Rumours lineup, her anger is evident even at Mick’s mention of Bob’s name.

The snub from RRHOF should have been corrected years later, once all the animosity had passed. But again, no one in the band would step forward to advocate. Bob died feeling undervalued and forgotten. He wasn’t. He isn’t.

It's kind of sad how much stock he and Wendy both put into his exclusion. I mean, I get it. But there are MANY glaring omissions from the HOF.

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

It's kind of sad how much stock he and Wendy both put into his exclusion. I mean, I get it. But there are MANY glaring omissions from the HOF.

Apples and oranges my dear friend or in your case should I say corn and hay. True dat! There are MANY glaring omissions from the HOF. 100% Correct. However Bob's exclusion was the band's creation. Pat Benatar not in the HOF is a glaring omission. Its not the same when the band cock blocks you from admission. And this has happened before too. Deborah Harry blocked Blondie's original drummer from admission and playing at the HOF. The HOF let in EVERY member of the Grateful Dead's countless line ups yet would not allow all members of Kiss in and only inducted the current line up. This led to Kiss boycotting the event. However both these scenarios are not a comparison to Fleetwood Mac. Did they not induct earlier members too like Peter Green? Yet the band took issue with one of the most pivotal members in the band's history. Long story short, the Bob exclusion does not quite fit in other examples of HOF dramas.

Having said all this there is something disturbing about Bob's case that annoys the hell out of me. Because the drama of the Fleetwood Mac induction came on the heals of The Dance and a huge reunion, it could have been interpreted that Bob was being greedy and trying to cash in on the band's new success. Nothing could be further from the truth. Bob's lawsuit we assume was about royalties and it was filed during the Mac's darkest days. The band's Time album went cardboard and even everyone's solo career had run out of steam. The Dance led to huge album sales of all Mac's albums including those that Bob was a part of. However in the mid 90s not many people were running out to buy Mac albums. Fleetwood Mac was playing night clubs around the country. When Bob filed Mick probably freaked out since he needed those nickels and dimes to stay afloat. What could be the most Bob was asking for. Those early Mac albums were not platinum (or at least not some of them yet). He probably shot for the moon and asked for $500k and hoped for a settlement for $250k. The Mac probably spent more on legal bills than any small royalty pay out. For Bob $200K would have been a huge pay day. It was so greedy and stupid to argue over peanuts on early Mac albums. So yes, I am bitter still to this day over all of this. But lets not forget. Chris had just bought a house and was in the midst of remodeling it. I think we heard this excuse before.
The Bob Welch and friends concert is one of the greatest concerts ever. They clearly got along until one day things looked bleak and threw him overboard. $$$$$$$$

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

Apples and oranges my dear friend or in your case should I say corn and hay. True dat! There are MANY glaring omissions from the HOF. 100% Correct. However Bob's exclusion was the band's creation. Pat Benatar not in the HOF is a glaring omission. Its not the same when the band cock blocks you from admission. And this has happened before too. Deborah Harry blocked Blondie's original drummer from admission and playing at the HOF. The HOF let in EVERY member of the Grateful Dead's countless line ups yet would not allow all members of Kiss in and only inducted the current line up. This led to Kiss boycotting the event. However both these scenarios are not a comparison to Fleetwood Mac. Did they not induct earlier members too like Peter Green? Yet the band took issue with one of the most pivotal members in the band's history. Long story short, the Bob exclusion does not quite fit in other examples of HOF dramas.

Having said all this there is something disturbing about Bob's case that annoys the hell out of me. Because the drama of the Fleetwood Mac induction came on the heals of The Dance and a huge reunion, it could have been interpreted that Bob was being greedy and trying to cash in on the band's new success. Nothing could be further from the truth. Bob's lawsuit we assume was about royalties and it was filed during the Mac's darkest days. The band's Time album went cardboard and even everyone's solo career had run out of steam. The Dance led to huge album sales of all Mac's albums including those that Bob was a part of. However in the mid 90s not many people were running out to buy Mac albums. Fleetwood Mac was playing night clubs around the country. When Bob filed Mick probably freaked out since he needed those nickels and dimes to stay afloat. What could be the most Bob was asking for. Those early Mac albums were not platinum (or at least not some of them yet). He probably shot for the moon and asked for $500k and hoped for a settlement for $250k. The Mac probably spent more on legal bills than any small royalty pay out. For Bob $200K would have been a huge pay day. It was so greedy and stupid to argue over peanuts on early Mac albums. So yes, I am bitter still to this day over all of this. But lets not forget. Chris had just bought a house and was in the midst of remodeling it. I think we heard this excuse before.
The Bob Welch and friends concert is one of the greatest concerts ever. They clearly got along until one day things looked bleak and threw him overboard.

I'm convinced it was all Christine that kept him out. Lesson is that you don't f*ck with Christine. And yes, Mick is always 50 cents away from his next bankruptcy. Because Mick is a loser.
Christine will always be my favorite(although Lindsey is almost a tie these days, since he's mellowed out), but I've never felt about her the same, after finding out she was the one who kept Bob out.

[aleuzzi]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

It's kind of sad how much stock he and Wendy both put into his exclusion. I mean, I get it. But there are MANY glaring omissions from the HOF.

Yes—he did place too much importance on that honor, which is really muddled with industry politics. His not being inducted, however, is especially galling in light of Jeremy and Danny’s inductions. As excellent as their Mac work is, Bob’s influence had a more far-reaching influence upon the band’s sound.

[Macfan4life]

I think the RRHOF is total crap. I admire bands like Kiss who bash the hall even though they get inducted. There are no standards and fantastic acts get over looked while acts that are not rock and have a pop hit get inducted first.
Having said that I understand Bob's frustration. He was just in the midst of battling the forces of the band. The band suddenly was #1 again and being honored. Back in 1997, the RRHOF meant something. Today its a joke and no one takes them serious anymore. Bob knew the impact he had on the band. He brought them to the states and transformed the band with the seeds of growth in the USA that led to Stevie and Lindsey joining. Bob knew they would never be on that stage without him. When you realize the mindset Bob was in at the time (feeling being cheated) and then the insult of the band excluding him from the honor, I understand he and his wife's anger. In addition when bands are inducted, they get publicity and their older albums sell. Bob was at the stage in his life that it meant his career meant something. Yet the forces in the band robbed him yet again. Worse still is how the band erased him from the VH1 series "Behind the Music." That took a lot of work to do. The segment says the band left England for the States and hired Lindsey and Stevie. Even worse when they show the back cover of Heroes are Hard to Find, Bob is edited off the back cover. Its as like Bob's era never existed. Its almost like what Van Halen did to Michael Anthony. They tried to scrub him off the band's website. When you combine all 3 factors (royalties, HOF snub, and being erased), how could you not get angry. Oh yeah all this happened when the band reunited and made a fortune. Long story short, I completely understand Bob and his wife's anger. I tip my hat to Stevie for always being so kind to Bob. The next year on the Enchanted tour, Stevie visited him at this house in Nashville. I would have chopped off my left foot to have been a fly on the wall during that get together.

[vivfox]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Bob was great, and FM should be ashamed that they've ignored his legacy.

Hypnotized was performed at many dates on the last Fakewood Mac tour.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by vivfox

Hypnotized was performed at many dates on the last Fakewood Mac tour.

Like five shows. (Still pissed about it getting dropped, although “Sentimental Lady” would have been the better choice.)

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by vivfox

Hypnotized was performed at many dates on the last Fakewood Mac tour.

It's a classic rock radio staple too.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by vivfox

Hypnotized was performed at many dates on the last Fakewood Mac tour.

Did you miss where they kept him from being inducted into the R&RHOF?

[Villavic]

I found this interesting article.

https://www.cleveland.com/pdextra/20..._fame_snu.html

If that lawsuit was in 1994, I wonder if Mick mentions about it in his 2014 book (Play On).

In his first book (1990), He ends it by briefly describing how his friends are doing.

Peter Green, now Greenbaum, lives in western London. His fate haunts a generation of successful English musicians, all now entering middle age, who saw one of the authentic geniuses among them withdraw from the lists, refusing to sell out or play the fool. He not only started Fleetwood Mac and gave the rest of us a career; he also taught me something about my playing that's very important to me. He gave me the feeling he understood who I was as a person. He understood that I played like that person, without a lot of flash, but steady-on, like a rock soldier. Most of all, he gave us that magical, ongoing gift of a name Fleetwood Mac. This book is for him.

Jeremy Spencer is said to remain with the Children of God. He and his family were last seen at the Children's HQ in Sri Lanka, but the violent Tamil insurrection there reportedly forced the cult to flee for their lives. At last word, Jeremy was hiding out on an atoll somewhere in the Indian Ocean. Not long ago, a strange girl approached me on the beach in Malibu and handed me a cassette. It turned out to be Jeremy, singing and playing his guitar, but when and where it was recorded, I have no idea.

Danny Kirwan lives in a south London mental hospital.

Bob Welch, still a buddy, lives in Phoenix and is doing movie sound tracks.

Christine McVie is as great as ever. Right now she's working on her songs for our next record, Behind the, Mask, and thinking up blissful new ways to say she loves us. The healer's daughter will always be my sister and inspiration.

John McVie is still my closest friend. He and Julie had a daughter, Molly McVie, in March 1989, which served to mellow the once-wicked McVie, who is now sober, funny, and still a hell of a bass player. His spare time is devoted to the majestic Challenger, his sixty-three-foot Sparkman and Stevens sloop.

No more pre-Rumours member is mentioned in his (book) last words. Of course he mentions L&S but that's material for another forum.

[jbrownsjr]

I truly miss Bob Welch. He was a great song writer and I loved his music.