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What is "BD"? "Blue Denim"? Last edited by cbBen; 12-27-2022 at 09:50 AM.. |
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They had to have Lindsey and Stevie to tour as Fleetwood Mac. With Christine retired at the time, it couldn’t just be Stevie, Mick, and John, that pretty much would have been a Stevie solo tour with Mick and John on drums and bass.
With Christine’s death, it makes he resent that they fired Lindsey in 2018 right before what should have been their farewell tour. It would have been the perfect final chapter in their legacy. I can respect and empathize with Stevie for not wanting a toxic work environment and not being able to put up with Lindsey anymore, but at that point, she had done it for so many years, she could have stuck it out for one more tour with him. And Lindsey for not wanting to compromise on their proposed timeline for the tour. He knew Christine was in a delicate state, he had just toured with her in 2017 and even mentioned it in an email to Mick. That first TV interview they did when they announced Lindsey’s removal from the band, you can see on Christine, Mick, and John’s faces that they were not happy with the situation. |
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I do too for Stevie and anyone feeling or being abused. However, it's still unknown by us what was toxic? That night at MusiCares, she wrapped her arm around his arm. They held hands on the red carpet. What did he do to her? Why didn't Mick or John do anything about it like pushing him up against the wall and saying you do that again and I'll eff you up!
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I think Christine would have helped balance Lindsey in the studio emotionally as well. Without her, it was a mess of nasty emotions. No longer break up emotions, but greed and control issues. I didn't miss Stevie on LBCM. I wouldn't have minded is she was the one who left the band and they continued as a 4some. The four of them touring in smaller venues would have been sensational.
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i love Destiny Rules doc, but compare it to the warm and easy Making of Buckingham McVie, and it's easy to see where all the drama and toxicity was coming from in Fleetwood Mac.
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My theory: After 2002 (maybe 2004), Stevie wanted to get away from Lindsey for good. She promoted Say You Will in 2003-04, but couldn't get Lindsey out of FM until Christine returned, as the band needed at least two of its Rumours lead vocalists. When Christine returned Stevie finally had her chance, but needed a tour with Christine in the fold before making a move. Then the Buckingham McVie project postponed her taking action. The 2017 East-West concerts were too small in number to justify a coup then. Then there was MusiCares. Finally, and especially having come off her most successful solo tour perhaps ever, she made her move. I believe she may have been prepared to walk away from the band had they chosen Lindsey over her (she didn't need it anymore). But as they were now strictly a live act and not a recording one, she was clearly more valuable to the enterprise. And so, at long last, she got away from Lindsey. Last edited by cbBen; 12-27-2022 at 02:10 PM.. |
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I think we even did Setlists: The Chain You Make Lovin Fun In My World Don't Stop Red Sun World Turning Got A Hold On Me Trouble I'm So Afraid Say You Love Me Little Lies Isn't It Midnight Big Love (band) Bleed To Love Her Get Like You Used To Be Go Your Own Way Encore On With The Show Carnival Begin You and I Part II (Acappella)
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Even if she did have a solo project, I don't see Christine being toxic with her band. Her ego was mostly in tact her entire career. That's why she's a billion times more important that Nick$.
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interesting theory. might be happening in many bands, but hopefully not most.
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I just think she really resented working with Lindsey from SYW on. She still maintained her loyalty to Fleetwood Mac for Mick and John's sake and tolerated Lindsey. No doubt going on 2 huge world back to back tours with Fleetwood Mac 2013-2015 really drove Stevie insane. The Miami 2015 show had Stevie publicly going after Lindsey on stage. However when Lindsey and the rest of Fleetwood Mac went on recording without her was a bridge too far. Pretend for a moment the band did not record the Buck/Vie album. I would bet the house the 2018 World tour would have resumed without Lindsey's firing. It was petty, silly, and rock's stupidest firing since Sammy Hagar. Stevie's power in the band went full tilt when Chris left. The band operated on the perimeter when Stevie gave the green light. Suddenly Chris is back and Stevie did not give the green light to record and tour without her. That had to drive her nuts. Even though she would never admit it the jealousy she felt when Lindsey and Christine wrote and performed World Turning in 1975 was still there. The only difference is that Stevie had no power in 1975 and had all the power in 2018.
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For $. At that point she had more use for FM more than she would in 2018. As I say, I bet she really was prepared to walk away had they chosen Lindsey over her.
She rebuilt her solo career from the ground up starting in 2005. By 2008 (when she would have had to commit to the 2009 tour), she hadn't built it back up enough even to approach outgrowing the band. As for her solo success necessitating her being toxic: 1. No doesn't necessitate it, just makes it possible. 2. I would characterize it more as power than toxicity (though maybe it was both). They needed her more than vice-versa. Last edited by cbBen; 12-28-2022 at 06:17 PM.. |
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I hate the way Lindsey was dismissed but also remember that Lindsey survived a major heart attack while Fleetwood Mac was on their tour and in that case it might be a good thing he wasn’t touring himself when that happened. I think in the end, maybe it was better for him to get out of the stressful environment of Stevie, Mick, playing giant arenas, etc. even if the circumstances were less than ideal.
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In 2005, she rode the momentum from SYW, getting big bucks to play a mini- residency in Vegas. And I'm sure she got a huge advance to do a co-headlining tour with Henley that year. The next year, she was playing arenas and stadiums in Australia (some were co-headlines with John Farnham). Stevie didn't rebuild. She just did concerts every year, went on tv shows, and released greatest hits or live album dvd. Once American Horror Story had her on and news got out that Harry Styles partied with her backstage at The o2, she was bigger than FM. |
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