Danny Kirwan Discussion

[bretonbanquet]

^^^

Ooops, thanks for that - I knew I'd forget at least one. I've added those three to the list to make it complete-r

One-Sided Love is on the "Roughage" bootleg, which somone might post here if they're able to. It's a slow one, a typical Danny number which reminds me a little of "Without You". Not as good though.

[bjornense]

Originally Posted by slipkid

One of Kirwan's best songs was done early in Fleetwood Mac, "Without You". It used to be on the U.K. release of "Then Play On". In the states it was released on "English Rose", and later on "The Original Fleetwood Mac" remastered CD.

That song may contain Kirwan's most passionate guitar solo. He was doing an excellent "Love That Burns" imitation of Peter Green. I like all the ones chiliD mentioned, but this song deserves a mention.

I agree, when the album came out I believed it was PG taking that solo, it was sooo good. Several years later a friend noted the Kirwan vibrato and then I understood it was DK playing. The only live version I know of is from The Golden Circle, Stockholm, late 1968, a killer version which clocks in at 6:16 with a much more aggressive solo than on the album.

[slipkid]

Originally Posted by chriskisn

The only one I don't recognise/have from the above list is "One-Sided Love" so shall have to try and find it There are probably a few other bootlegs floating around too I would imagine?

Seek out "Fleetwood Mac Live in Amsterdam 1969".

[chriskisn]

Just went and ripped One-Sided Love off of a YouTube video so am listening to it as I write.

Yeah naughty I know but...

[Wouter Vuijk]

Originally Posted by chriskisn

The only one I don't recognise/have from the above list is "One-Sided Love" so shall have to try and find it There are probably a few other bootlegs floating around too I would imagine?

Here are (among others) two versions of One Sided Love:
http://rapidshare.com/files/29426332...28_Holland.zip

[Wouter Vuijk]

Originally Posted by slipkid

Seek out "Fleetwood Mac Live in Amsterdam 1969".

The Den Haag version, played a few hours earlier, was better IMO

[zoork_1]

Originally Posted by nicepace

I enjoy every single one of Danny's songs. I even like "WhenYou Say." I can understand why it might not be everyone's favorite but I like the way ...[...].

I think "When You Say" is beautiful, ...

/z

[chriskisn]

Originally Posted by Wouter Vuijk

Here are (among others) two versions of One Sided Love:
http://rapidshare.com/files/29426332...28_Holland.zip

Brilliant Wouter thank you

[slipkid]

Originally Posted by zoork_1

I think "When You Say" is beautiful, ...

/z

When I first heard "When You Say" I cringed, but it later grew on me. It has a Brian Wilson vibe. Kirwan's songwriting around this time involved playing the guitar melody to match the vocal notes of a song. It's a simple technique, yet very effective. By Bare Trees his songwriting had grown leaps and bounds. Yet those early songs (especially his blues/rock contributions) should not be ignored. He was only 18 when he joined the band, and penned these songs, unbelievable. I have to keep reminding myself of that fact.

Jimmy McCulloch was 16 when he joined Thunderclap Newman, and he had great guitar chops just like Danny. I find the two guitarists led similar paths, since Danny had a total mental breakdown. In Jimmy's case he later joined Paul McCartney's Wings, and died of a heroin overdose in 1979.

There was a rumor that Mick Jagger wanted Danny Kirwan to replace Brian Jones. I think if Danny was the Stones replacement guitarist instead of Mick Taylor, he too would've died over thirty years ago.

[slipkid]

Originally Posted by Wouter Vuijk

The Den Haag version, played a few hours earlier, was better IMO

Well this is a discovery for me. I'm not sure if the Den Haag version of "One Sided Love" is better, but Freddie King's "San Ho Zay"!?!? That's a pure blues rhythm lockdown, Fleetwood and McVie are Al Jackson Jr., and Donald Duck Dunn! I wish Peter's guitar was as loud as Danny's, because I could tell he was ripping a monster solo. Are there better sounding boots of this song available?



Then there's "Blue Suede Shoes". If this version was performed in the states, the entire band would've been deported within 24 hours. Rap artists were arrested over much less twenty years ago. Jeremy Spencer, you were a true trailblazer!

[chriskisn]

Originally Posted by slipkid

Then there's "Blue Suede Shoes". If this version was performed in the states, the entire band would've been deported within 24 hours. Rap artists were arrested over much less twenty years ago. Jeremy Spencer, you were a true trailblazer!

Actually I only heard this song last night for the first time, but it made me think of what Mick said in his book about Harold the dildo (I think that was its name?) and how Jeremy used to stick it out of his fly when on stage. I could almost imagine him strutting around the stage with it and waving it at the crowd during that song.

[aleuzzi]

I love so much of Kirwan's FM work.

It's tough to say which two or three songs I like best because he developed dramatically in the four years with the band. I'll list my favorites by periods:

1968-69:

Something Inside of Me
Like It This Way
Without You

1969-70:

Only You (at BBC live)
When I See My Baby (at BBC Live)
Station Man
Tell Me...

1971-72:
Dragonfly
Sometimes
Trinity (still don't know why this wasn't included on Bare Trees!)
Dust

[chriskisn]

Originally Posted by aleuzzi

Trinity (still don't know why this wasn't included on Bare Trees!)

You're right, Trinity is such a great DK song, I don't know why it never saw release until the box set

[chriskisn]

Ok, so I thought I'd finally get around to saying this...

What is everyone's obsession with Dust and Woman of 1000 years? I can not tolerate those songs (in fact I can't really tolerate the Bare Trees or Future Games albums at all and never play them). I don't think I've listened to Bare Trees since before I met my wife (which is 11 years ago) and the only redeeming feature of Future Games is Bob's "Lay it All Down"

Give me "Hello There Big Boy" over these songs any day...

[Almost Simon]

Originally Posted by chriskisn

Ok, so I thought I'd finally get around to saying this...

What is everyone's obsession with Dust and Woman of 1000 years? I can not tolerate those songs (in fact I can't really tolerate the Bare Trees or Future Games albums at all and never play them). I don't think I've listened to Bare Trees since before I met my wife (which is 11 years ago) and the only redeeming feature of Future Games is Bob's "Lay it All Down"

Give me "Hello There Big Boy" over these songs any day...

I think you prefer the bluesier or heavier tracks. Nothing wrong with that.

I too love those 2 songs. They are more laid back and melodic than his earlier bluesy tunes. Also very mature songs to be written by one so young. Although we do have to remember than Danny didn't write the lyrics for Dust, but its still a beautiful tune.