This week in 1983 December 1983

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

I loved it when Stevie ripped Brittany and Madonna for French kissing on stage. The 24 hour media sensation was at full tilt. It was done simply for shock value just like the Janet Jackson Super Bowl stunt. When you resort to that kind of shock value stunts on stage, the music probably is not very good.
I applaud Stevie when she threw her thunder and shade at them. I also loved it when she said she wanted to strangle Nicki Minaj on American Idol.
You go Stevie!
I can totally see why someone from Stevie's era does not like Madonna. Stevie got famous for her writing and singing. The style just came along but was not what made her famous. There were no videos and you heard her on the radio. Madonna is a packaged commercial. Someone writes songs for her and she creates controversy to sell her image.

And you say HomerMcvie's the Mike Pence fan?

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

And you say HomerMcvie's the Mike Pence fan?

Y'all are crazy. As I've stated before, speaking as a fairly NON POLITICAL person, I've only been to two political rallies in my life. BOTH of those were anti Pence rallies, when he was the Governor of Indiana.

Stop whacking to your Pence porn. You're a fixin' to go blind.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Y'all are crazy. As I've stated before, speaking as a fairly NON POLITICAL person, I've only been to two political rallies in my life. BOTH of those were anti Pence rallies, when he was the Governor of Indiana.

Stop whacking to your Pence porn. You're a fixin' to go blind.

Great. Now I’m envisioning the “extremely erotic” Pence porn as only being Mike Pence blowing kisses to his wife while wearing the pink bunny pajamas from A Christmas Story.

[BombaySapphire3]

Having been a fanatic at that time the end of the Wild Heart era was kind of the last gasp of the old Stevie.

[cbBen]

Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3

Having been a fanatic at that time the end of the Wild Heart era was kind of the last gasp of the old Stevie.

Sure was. I've long said she was the better writer 1972-82, and Lindsey was the better writer thereafter.

And as I say above, the entire rationale for her solo career (too many good original songs) disappeared after this album.

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

And you say HomerMcvie's the Mike Pence fan?

Not sure what Mike Pence has to do with it. Madonna was panicked aging pop star who was eclipsed by a teeny bopper grown up. She wants to join her on stage and share the limelight. "Let's see, what can we do to create controversy and make us more famous. I know I will stick my tongue in your mouth and kiss you"

Lame

On another note, my guess is that the Solid Gold performance preceded the Saturday Night Live performance. SNL was always recorded or played the same day. Her hair seemed shorter on SNL than the Solid Gold performance. But who knows.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

Not sure what Mike Pence has to do with it.

Lame

OMFG. YOU you YOU are the one who always brings up Mike Pence. So don't play dumb on this one.

Indeed.

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

OMFG. YOU you YOU are the one who always brings up Mike Pence. So don't play dumb on this one.

Indeed.

Excuse you?
I bring up Mike Pence with you because you guys were born and raised in same corn field and not something specifically Fleetwood Mac/Stevie related.
I am not sure what Mike Pence had to do with Madonna or Stevie. My Mike Pence comments are directed at you specifically. Even if you don't need her, tell her you need her. She needs you brother.
Something about the Children of the Corn creeps me out. What are the chances we get 2 vice presidents from Indiana in the last quarter century and were both idiots.
I wonder if Mike likes Oh Daddy.
Can we still be friends? The answer is always yes.

[David]

Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3

Having been a fanatic at that time the end of the Wild Heart era was kind of the last gasp of the old Stevie.

I was really annoyed by that back then. Still am today, I guess. But there was a twinkle of hope I remember right around this time when word got out that Stevie was mounting a small second leg in early 1984 with Julian Lennon opening. There was going to be a big show at Anaheim Stadium with Bowie headlining and Nicks doing a solo set before him as a precursor to her own planned tour. I guess she decided to start recording Mirror Mirror instead. That was my biggest disappointment at that time. All I got in 1984 was a Chris McVie concert and a Rickie Lee Jones concert, and all Stevie wound up doing was the Starck Club in Dallas at nearly midnight (which nobody knew about until after it happened, unless you happened to be a Hollywood celebrity).

[aleuzzi]

The Wild Heart may have been the last moments of Stevie's nearly decade-long reign as the magical witch of rock, but it was a great flame out. The album has many great moments and her live performances during this time -- coke-fueled though they were -- really caught fire. It's better to burn than to rust--isn't that what Neil Young sang?

Rock a Little and TOSOTM are disappointing, even embarrassing, by comparison, but the two new (and admittedly cheesy) covers on Time Space are sung with real conviction. "Sometimes It's a Bitch" packs a punch and is no less squirmy to classic rock fans than Heart's songs from Bad Animals. Steve fared well once she stopped coke.

Yes, she lost spirit on Klonopin, but her vocal on "Blue Denim" was a cause for celebration. I thought: she doesn't sing like she used to but she sings well in a new way. Gone was that insanely intense vibrato, but in its place she gained a lot of power and control. She became a belter.

So, she's a strange one to assess in terms of career highs and lows. She's been up and down a few times on fortune's wheel.

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by David

I was really annoyed by that back then. Still am today, I guess. But there was a twinkle of hope I remember right around this time when word got out that Stevie was mounting a small second leg in early 1984 with Julian Lennon opening. There was going to be a big show at Anaheim Stadium with Bowie headlining and Nicks doing a solo set before him as a precursor to her own planned tour. I guess she decided to start recording Mirror Mirror instead. That was my biggest disappointment at that time. All I got in 1984 was a Chris McVie concert and a Rickie Lee Jones concert, and all Stevie wound up doing was the Starck Club in Dallas at nearly midnight (which nobody knew about until after it happened, unless you happened to be a Hollywood celebrity).

I was excited in early 1984 too but for a different reason. My local rock station introduced something "new" from Stevie Nicks and played Violet and Blue. At that time I was not aware it was on the Against All Odds soundtrack and thought it was coming off another new album. I was in shock. I was all excited for a new album. Violet and Blue got heavy airplay on several stations. I will never forget hearing Violet and Blue and One In A Million BACK TO BACK. How cool was that?
Once I learned it was a movie soundtrack song, I was still excited because in just 3 months Rolling Stone had a tiny article that Stevie was putting the "finishing touches" on her new album. It would be released 1.5 years later
Mid 1984 was enough to celebrate though. We got a Christine solo tour and a Lindsey solo album each of their solo albums had 2 videos and 2 singles.

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

Not sure what Mike Pence has to do with it. Madonna was panicked aging pop star who was eclipsed by a teeny bopper grown up. She wants to join her on stage and share the limelight. "Let's see, what can we do to create controversy and make us more famous. I know I will stick my tongue in your mouth and kiss you"

Lame

I brought up Pence because it sounds like something he'd say that Madonna shouldn't have kissed women on television. Or she shouldn't be showing her body.

Stevie wasn't always buttoned up in jackets and floor length dresses either.

Would you say Cher and Janet Jackson are packaged commercials and that people write songs for them?

[vivfox]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

I wonder why Stevie never played Nightbird in concert after SNL.
Also, it gave Lori solo time (live, on the album it's sung with SS).

Nightbird was a great tv moment and she looked wonderful and it was so nice to see her and Lori share the vocals at the same mic. Stevie has always raved about Sharon and Lori but that is the only time Lori has ever stood out. I don't think it would have worked well in a concert venue though because it's too soft of a song. But it is surprising she would choose a song as a single and then not perform it in concert.

[vivfox]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

I remember being angry that Nightbird was released because even at age 13 I knew it would not chart well. I was hoping for Enchanted, I Will Run To You, or Nothing Ever Changes.

I felt the same way at the time. I was always rooting for the release of Nothing Ever Changes because a good rock song is always an enjoyable concert staple. She already has an abundance of ballads. Of those 3 songs you listed, for me NEC is the only one that has stood the test of time. I almost forgot to tell you that her and Tom Petty performed I Will Run To You live at Radio City in Sept 1983 and while it was good to hear and see it in person, I never really cared much for that song. But that's just my opinion. The audience really loved it. Tom was a surprise guest. He was not advertised on the bill.

[vivfox]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

In that 1985 interview she laughed and inferred she influenced a few "people" with her fashion sense i.e. talking about Madonna. The comic irony that Stevie sat for that interview with lace gloves on. Who was influencing who?
It was Stevie chasing Madonna with neon gloves in 1985. Hardly an influencer anymore, she was chasing trends which was nothing short of cheezy. And she was so high that you notice all the dancing scenes in Talk To Me are shot far, were away not to see her face.

You might want to rewatch that interview. She was talking about influencing the way Prince dressed and him wearing high heeled boots along with all of his lace. Even though she said she might have influenced the clothes of a few people, it certainly wasn't Madge she was referring to.

Stevie was concerned about her image and wanted to remain the thin woman in public that we were used to even though by 1985 she had packed on a lot of pounds. So for the making of that video they hired a look a like teenager from Atlanta to "play" Stevie and all the closeup face shots were the actual Stevie. You knew that, right?