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And before 2014, around the 2012 time frame she didn't even want to tour with them.... that's when Mick whined [to Playboy I think it was] during an interview about it and tried to basically publicly shame her about it, saying things like if FM never toured again it would be her fault etc. Lindsey put it out there in some interview he did at one point also. I think Lindsey has said some really sh&tty, nasty things to and about Stevie that were deliberately hurtful and to cut her down in front of others. He would do the "bro" thing in the studio with male engineers and co producers and with roadies and such on the road like making mocking comments about her songs, her singing, her performances, her opinions on things, right in front of her face. He knew the things she was vulnerable about and he went there. Equally bad, he would other times he would treat her like she wasn't there, and just completely and utterly ignore anything she said. There are a few small lapses in the Tusk documentary where this happens. Often he critiqued her songs for valid reasons, but equally he was a dick about it, often just to humiliate her because he could. Not nice. When you understand that layer of their relationship, it puts the "you wouldn't say that to Bob Dylan" crap into more context. It was her very clearly signaling to him that she no longer cares what he thinks about her lyrics, because she has a level of success without him and can walk away. I think of that line in Planets of the Universe she wrote about him "you will never rule again/the way you have ruled". Chris wrote about his coldness and moodiness in Over My Head 'then again you can be cold as ice' 'your mood is like a circus wheel/you're changing all the time' 'every day you hurt my pride'. When he thinks he's right and you're wrong, he can treat you like total sh&t on the bottom of his shoe. Stevie on the other hand was just sooooo full of herself and entirely self-centered. Funny how now she only barely admits to it... she said something about making Bella Donna and finally admitted how she was 'maybe just a teeny bit conceited then'.... There's the understatement of the year. She believed she was the queen of the universe, put here by god to save the world, and the more famous she got and the more drugs she did, the less focused she became on work and the more she just wanted to party and reap all the rewards of success without putting in the effort. She always felt like she could count on him to clean up her songs so all she had to do was show up and sing her bit and then go off with her entourage, exhausted from being in the army and having to show up on time. She believes she's so desirable and charming that she can get all these men to do everything for her (Lindsey, Jimmy, Tom, Mick, etc.). They are a totally toxic mix, those two.
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I wish that video was still around. |
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You know, if $he didn't act like a complete IDIOT, it would be much more difficult to mock her.
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It just hit me. Stevie said “You wouldn’t say that to Bob Dylan” and Lindsey recorded “Love Minus Zero/No Limit” for the album.
I wonder if that was coincidence?
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She could've said You wouldn't say that to Mick Jagger since they recorded I Am Waiting in 2002 |
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She was referring to "Tangled Up In Blue," which shifts person and tense in the same way Lindsey was critiquing her song.
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It is interesting to me that she did keep third person for Moonlight (which came after Say You Will) because the original Lady from the Mountains included second person. |
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I have assumed that Stevie didn't want Lindsey's Dylan or Stones covers on the album, for whatever reason, and fair enough too. When that exchange occured, the question of a double album and which tracks to include had not been finalized. So it may be that her ire at the potential inclusion of a Dylan track was half of the impetus behind her remark. Nevertheless, it is fun to ignore such context and imagine that she walks around talking of herself as lyrically on par with Dylan apropos of nothing.
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Haha! Of all people, I would never have guessed that slipped by you.
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