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We've been through this. Stevie is on the three songs on which she sings lead, "Little Lies," the extended mix (but not the album mix) of "Big Love," and that's it. Nothing else.
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AND...the extended mix of Family Man. It's not much, I know, but I actually love her weird vocal additions to the extended mixes of those songs!
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Remember the 2017 Salon article by Annie Zaleski? Dashut and Greg Droman shared some great information:
• Droman hit it off with Dashut while engineering “Can’t Help Falling in Love” at Rumbo, so much so that Dashut pulled Droman over to work on “Time Bomb Town” at the same studio. • Lindsey had Droman start engineering his 1986 solo album at Rumbo, down the hall from where Fleetwood Mac was just starting sessions for their next album (with Jason Casaro). When Lindsey decided to put his album on hold, Droman thought he was out of a job — until Dashut called him down the hall to engineer the Mac sessions. • Lindsey was paying close attention to Kate Bush at the time, who was using some of the same studio technology that he was. • The most important technological innovation on Tango was not the Fairlight digital samplings but the use of variable speed — recording and playback at half speed or twice speed — which created the crystal-like high end and chorusy quality on the album. The band spent huge amounts of time recording or modifying parts and bits at variable speed, adjusting until an effect in the sonics was achieved. • Lindsey was handling a lot more engineering at the micro level in 1986 than he had a decade prior. Consequently, Dashut and Droman helped with basics such as setting levels or mics but then stepped back and offered mostly spoken support while Lindsey ran the board. • Tango was recorded and mixed to analog tape (when other bands were immersed in digital) but used a two-track digital machine for mastering. Just like with Jaws in 1976, however, this digital machine wound up eating the bits of manually spliced tapes, which made for a crisis every bit as major as the 1976 crisis, when the tape heads destroyed the high end on all the masters. • Dashut said that cocaine wasn’t a big problem at that point, but marijuana and alcohol were.
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I don't understand how she could be available to make these positive contributions to these extended mixes but was left off the album versions. Did she do them after the album wrapped? The story Lindsey has historically presented is that she was unavailable and they had to make do via all manner of gimmickry. Yet here she is on these extended mixes making positive contributions. |
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I did not mean to reignite the debate about which are Stevie's vocals on Tango. My point was the surprise of Lindsey deleting her vocals after she left. Apparently it was not just her absence that impacted the album but also her lousy vocals. But that should be no surprise. The RAL sessions also had some crappy vocals.
I dont take a position of what Stevie recorded on the other singer's songs on Tango. Lindsey stated or never denied cleverly creating Stevie's voice. I take him at his word. There is not much of Stevie on the other songs so you really have to wonder if its her at all. The remix versions of the singles shed no light on the subject. Remix of singles happen when Warner Brothers is polishing up the album for release and promotion. These were probably done around the same time they filmed the videos. If anything, IMHO the remixes show how much Stevie did not sing on the album tracks. I owned the Little Lies extended remix. Stevie's voice on that remix is completely different than the album track. She was out of rehab, rejoining the band and preparing promoting Tango. Lindsey needs to come clean There is no dispute its Stevie on Seven Wonders and WISYA. Although Lindsey did some tape stuff and added his own vocal to the end of one of those songs. So the options would be: A. Everywhere B. Family Man C. Little Lies D. All of the above (either way) I was not the only one who could swear they could hear Stevie in the chorus in Red Sun although we know she was not there. Lindsey has a way of crafting his voice. I refused to believe Family Man was not Stevie. Someone reported here it was Lindsey a few years ago. I did not believe it until I did my long investigation......slowing down and listening with headphones. I then became convinced it most likely was Lindsey. Then I was like holy crap, if this is Lindsey then its not too far off to believe the other songs are Lindsey too.
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My heart will rise up with the morning sun and the hurt I feel will simply melt away Last edited by Macfan4life; 04-29-2022 at 07:31 AM.. |
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The 'can't disguise' line in Little Lies is a cameo by Stevie. It is 100% her voice, a complex vocal, fingerprint that cannot be modulated from Lindsey's. Also, although further evidence is not needed, the idea that Stevie would be in the video lip-synching that line as if it was her voice but it was actually Lindsey, is something Stevie would have never permitted, or at least we would have heard about it from her by now. All the backing vocals are Lindsey except for two parts in the chorus where Christine harmonizes with herself ("tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies" and "oh no no you can't disguise" panned to the left). Stevie is mostly not shown in the video as singing on the rest of the chorus (because she didn't), except for two aberrant instances at the final chorus, where I guess they wanted the whole band in the one shot and it would look weird for Stevie not to be singing along with Chris and Linds. "Everywhere" is all Lindsey except the glorious lead vocal by Christine. Stevie's voice makes no appearance. "Seven Wonders" all three are singing backing vocals on the chorus. Which part of "Family Man" is even supposed to possible sound like Stevie? The really deep "a family man" part?
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If anything, I always thought Christine was singing on “Family Man,” but now think it’s just Lindsey’s modulated voice.
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The mystery continues then. Which Stevie voice sound is Lindsey doing and which song?
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We did have one blowout with Stevie when she came to the studio to listen to the mixes before Tango in the Night was released. After the playback was finished, she began to storm around the studio like a tornado. "It's like I'm not even on this record," she complained. "I can't hear myself at all." I knew Stevie pretty well, and could tell she was angry. Then she threatened us. "All right, maybe I wasn't able to get to the studio that much, but how is it going to look when the record comes out and I might have to tell Rolling Stone that I didn't work on it?" Christine McVie's eyes narrowed. She'd had a couple of glasses of wine, and wasn't about to be trifled with. "OK, Stevie," she said, "what are you so upset about?" "I should be singing on 'Everywhere,'" Stevie said. "You should hear me singing harmony on that song." "I wanted you to sing on it too," Chris said in measured tones that signaled she was furious, "but you weren't here. In fact, we've been working for a year and you were only with us for a couple of days. Now why don't you just say you're sorry and we'll work it out?" Omits gracefully, Stevie capitulated in front of the whole band, and we gleefully layered her vocals into the mix of the album, which now sounded indeed more like Fleetwood Mac. Stevie had been right after all, and so had Christine. Previously, there was this: Stevie finally showed up in January 1987; we'd been working six months, and it was the only time the whole band was in the studio together. We had been sending copies of our working tapes to Stevie's home in Arizona. On her part, she was dreading that Lindsey, in his producing capacity, would be sarcastic toward her, but he made an effort not to be as much of a martinet as he was with the rest of us. He was under some strain with this project, and lost his patience occasionally, but with Stevie we wanted him to be more objective and professional. He tried to make her feel great in the studio, and they got on well. (The love-hate saga between those two will never end.)
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