This forum is such a relief

[chriskisn]

Originally Posted by Lola

Right--There's 3 of them for God's sake. WTH

Yep, don't recall that ever happening on the Ledge before and I've been visiting here on and off for more than 20 years.

[bwboy]

Originally Posted by chriskisn

Yep, don't recall that ever happening on the Ledge before and I've been visiting here on and off for more than 20 years.

I've seen a couple here before, but it's odd they're only on the post-Rumours board and not the other ones.

I'm just thankful the moderators catch them and delete them so quickly. Great job, guys!

[SisterNightroad]

As I've already said in another thread on the Rumours forum, discussions about the new line-up in our opinion (meaning we Moderators) should stay in the Rumours forum. If anyone feels more at ease here it's not a problem at all but I don't see why anyone should give up the right to post there.

About the spam threads, we Moderators try our best but the site is old now, the web isn't the same as two decades ago, and as you can imagine we also have other commitments during the day.

[Missy]

Originally Posted by SisterNightroad

As I've already said in another thread on the Rumours forum, discussions about the new line-up in our opinion (meaning we Moderators) should stay in the Rumours forum. If anyone feels more at ease here it's not a problem at all but I don't see why anyone should give up your right to post there.

About the spam threads, we Moderators try our best but the site is old now, the web isn't the same as two decades ago, and as you can imagine we also have other commitments during the day.

Thank you for clarifying.

I think I wish to stay here. I know that moderators have difficult thankless job at times, and this situation with change in the group was unexpected. Emotions are running high and that's natural when we first hear news such as this. But if I may say so, I wasn't feeling comfortable with what felt was 'character assassination' in the Rumours forum, people suggesting going and heckling the group at their shows etc. That is concerning to me and I personally feel is out of line and irresponsible.

I could and maybe should have reported it privately and tried to continue, but right now have a lot going a lot going on in my life, my health balance is shaky, I'm supposed to be avoiding environments I find stressful so thought it was best I just move out of it all. At least until things cool off a bit. I'd rather step out than end up posting something inappropriate and out of proportion myself, that disrespects the standards of this board.

Peace and ty.

[Feather Blade]

Originally Posted by Missy

Thank you for clarifying.

I think I wish to stay here. I know that moderators have difficult thankless job at times, and this situation with change in the group was unexpected. Emotions are running high and that's natural when we first hear news such as this. But if I may say so, I wasn't feeling comfortable with what felt was 'character assassination' in the Rumours forum, people suggesting going and heckling the group at their shows etc. That is concerning to me and I personally feel is out of line and irresponsible.

I could and maybe should have reported it privately and tried to continue, but right now have a lot going a lot going on in my life, my health balance is shaky, I'm supposed to be avoiding environments I find stressful so thought it was best I just move out of it all. At least until things cool off a bit. I'd rather step out than end up posting something inappropriate and out of proportion myself, that disrespects the standards of this board.

Peace and ty.

I'm sorry to hear about your health issues. I hope you feel better soon. Yes, you are right, it is stressful wading through all the negativity over there. I keep telling myself I am going to step away and try to avoid all the fuss, but somehow I keep coming back to check for any real, solid news. Against my better judgement I snapped and got involved in an argument with one of the loudest voices over there. Perhaps I should take the high road and try to make peace with them. Fighting over a bunch of people none of us know isn't worth stress and bad feelings.

[bwboy]

Originally Posted by SisterNightroad

As I've already said in another thread on the Rumours forum, discussions about the new line-up in our opinion (meaning we Moderators) should stay in the Rumours forum. If anyone feels more at ease here it's not a problem at all but I don't see why anyone should give up the right to post there.

About the spam threads, we Moderators try our best but the site is old now, the web isn't the same as two decades ago, and as you can imagine we also have other commitments during the day.

You guys are doing a great job, SisterNightroad! Keeping the peace may seem like a thankless job, but your efforts are much valued and appreciated.

As far as posting about the current lineup on Rumours vs post-Rumours, I'm torn. I think most people don't want to seem like they're rubbing Lindsey's firing in his fans faces when they talk about their excitement for the tour. I appreciate their feelings, which run the gamut from anger to sadness, so like I said, I'm torn.

[chriskisn]

Originally Posted by SisterNightroad

As I've already said in another thread on the Rumours forum, discussions about the new line-up in our opinion (meaning we Moderators) should stay in the Rumours forum. If anyone feels more at ease here it's not a problem at all but I don't see why anyone should give up the right to post there.

Realistically though, this is a new line-up, a post Rumours lineup. If Billy and Rick and Dave and Bekka were post-Rumours then Neil and Mike should be too.

There is absolutely nothing different now than there was in 1987.

[chriskisn]

Originally Posted by SisterNightroad

About the spam threads, we Moderators try our best but the site is old now, the web isn't the same as two decades ago, and as you can imagine we also have other commitments during the day.

I don't think any of us criticize the moderators. There's no doubt that this place isn't the same since Michele left, like it or not.

Its an old site, that is out of date, incomplete and not going anywhere fast. It needs an owner with resources and a commitment to recording the legacy of Fleetwood Mac. At this late stage in the game I can't see that happening.

[SisterNightroad]

Originally Posted by chriskisn

Realistically though, this is a new line-up, a post Rumours lineup. If Billy and Rick and Dave and Bekka were post-Rumours then Neil and Mike should be too.

There is absolutely nothing different now than there was in 1987.

Yes, but obviously this isn't the Post Rumours band at all since neither Mike nor Neil have anything to do with Billy, Rick, Dave and Becca, so idealistically it would need a forum of its own, but realistically on an old site like this one it's impossible without overpowering anything.
You also have to think that any sub-forum of this site in reality was meant to talk in a retrospective manner about its subject (saving Chit Chat I guess), so even the Rumours forum is actually about the band from 1975 to 1987. By the time The Dance came noone expected a reunion so from that point onward the Rumours board has been used for every subsequent output for convenience.

Originally Posted by chriskisn

I don't think any of us criticize the moderators. There's no doubt that this place isn't the same since Michele left, like it or not.

Its an old site, that is out of date, incomplete and not going anywhere fast. It needs an owner with resources and a commitment to recording the legacy of Fleetwood Mac. At this late stage in the game I can't see that happening.

Michele hasn't left, she just sold the site, so she's not the owner anymore and doesn't have all the economical burdens that come with that, but she's still the administrator.

[Missy]

I'm feeling confused - but I guess many of us are because it just is confusing after awhile with all the various incarnations this band has been through!

They're talking about this new combination with Mike and Neil as if it's a new entity, 'a brand new band', and saying that the new members are not just temporary replacements on the road, even if it's all in the initial stages right now.

There are probably many people on this board who are always going to regard 'the true Fleetwood Mac' as the five members of Rumours. (I can sympathise because there is nothing like that lineup, even though I have respect for the other lineups.)

I'm not a big Heartbreakers fan so I don't know much about Mike Campbell, but obviously he's had his own very illustrious career, as has Neil Finn - whose career I started following in the 1980s. He's a 'legend' in his own right in Oceania as a singer/songwriter, with a notable catalogue. He brings with him a long list of his own credentials.

Feeling very torn atm because I respect both Lindsey and Neil as musicians and music creators, in their own right. It feels wrong to me to pit them against each other, or try to judge between them because they're both so worthy on their own terms. As was Peter Green. I can't even go there.

Just a shame that there's bad feeling over this, which isn't very auspicious for the newcomers. The band are trying to tone it down as being a scheduling conflict, though many of the fans obviously think there's more to it.

I honestly don't think however that Neil Finn would support unfair treatment of another great artist. He believes in his craft, and has had enough success of his own that he doesn't need to do anything for money. Nor does he seem the type who would do something just for fanfare or financial reward.

Not trying to prove any point here! Just my own mixed feelings and emotions about everything atm. Sorry if I'm rambling ... take care everyone.

[MaryLiz2]

Originally Posted by Missy

I'm not a big Heartbreakers fan so I don't know much about Mike Campbell, but obviously he's had his own very illustrious career, as has Neil Finn - whose career I started following in the 1980s. He's a 'legend' in his own right in Oceania as a singer/songwriter, with a notable catalogue. He brings with him a long list of his own credentials.

Feeling very torn atm because I respect both Lindsey and Neil as musicians and music creators, in their own right. It feels wrong to me to pit them against each other, or try to judge between them because they're both so worthy on their own terms. As was Peter Green. I can't even go there.

Just a shame that there's bad feeling over this, which isn't very auspicious for the newcomers. The band are trying to tone it down as being a scheduling conflict, though many of the fans obviously think there's more to it.

I honestly don't think however that Neil Finn would support unfair treatment of another great artist. He believes in his craft, and has had enough success of his own that he doesn't need to do anything for money. Nor does he seem the type who would do something just for fanfare or financial reward.

Not trying to prove any point here! Just my own mixed feelings and emotions about everything atm. Sorry if I'm rambling ... take care everyone.

It's a shame that there's such bad feelings here and this forum community can't enjoy discussions and anticipating a tour as in years past (at least distant past...I was more of a Ledge poster back during The Dance and SYW Tours)...but I think the bad feeling is much more obvious here in this little fishbowl. I think the the public at large, if they care at all and pay attention to even know Lindsey is gone, there's been more of a "oh, that's too bad was hoping to see them all together" to a "crazy old band still crazy" reaction. People moved on and will buy tickets or won't. I expect the tour to still do well and I expect to still go and have a great time.

As for the newcomers, I've always enjoyed TP and the Heartbreakers and love Mike Campbell. In addition to his work with Tom Petty and with Stevie, he's also worked with Don Henley writing my two favorite solo Henley songs. I'm glad he's got something to do now that Tom's gone and I'm really excited to see him this tour.

I'm far less familiar with Neil Finn. Outside of Don't Dream It's Over I'm unfamiliar with his work. I really like his voice, though, and given the recent live footage of Don't Dream It's Over shown on the CBS interview it sounds like his voice is in great shape; I'm looking forward to hearing more from him and seeing how the harmonies turn out on the upcoming FM tour.

I appreciate your (and others) sharing more info on Neil for those like me who aren't very familiar with his work.