I still don’t get it..

[sue]

I’m watching the Rumours 4 (no Christine) Live at Boston.
They’re playing “I’m so afraid”.
And the thought just keeps going through my head....I don’t get it .. I just don’t..

Yes I know it’s 3 years since, but I still do not understand how they sacked him.
Not the why...I think we all know that.

I know we should let bygones be bygones...water under the bridge etcetc.
But I will never forget what the four of them did.

Forgive ....who knows
And here we are now, 3 years gone by and Mick romancing Lindsey..
It’s a funny old world..

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by sue

I’m watching the Rumours 4 (no Christine) Live at Boston.
They’re playing “I’m so afraid”.
And the thought just keeps going through my head....I don’t get it .. I just don’t..

Yes I know it’s 3 years since, but I still do not understand how they sacked him.
Not the why...I think we all know that.

I know we should let bygones be bygones...water under the bridge etcetc.
But I will never forget what the four of them did.

Forgive ....who knows
And here we are now, 3 years gone by and Mick romancing Lindsey..
It’s a funny old world..

$tevie is a bitter old HAG, and unfortunately $he's the one that fills the $eats.

$he said, "it's him or me". They chose the $eat filler.

$he RUINED the ending of the band of my life. Old HAG.

[tothegypsy]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

$tevie is a bitter old HAG, and unfortunately $he's the one that fills the $eats.

$he said, "it's him or me". They chose the $eat filler.

$he RUINED the ending of the band of my life. Old HAG.

There must be a way to express your feelings without ageism and misogyny. Please give it a try.

[Villavic]

"It's like a living thing, this Fleetwood Mac. It's a source stronger than its various members."
Christine McVie

And every living thing changes with time, but since the band was at the end of its life, it was too risky to fight again. I think Mick must be regretting.

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by Villavic

And every living thing changes with time, but since the band was at the end of its life, it was too risky to fight again.

The end of its creative life, right?

Because they could do shows for I'd say 5 years, thus the touring the oldies life is a beating heart.

Stones do like 12 shows every year in some part of the world. McCartney, to the best of my recollection has tour dates every year.

And FM is a stadium band now so they can do 40-70k gigs

[Villavic]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

The end of its creative life, right?

Because they could do shows for I'd say 5 years, thus the touring the oldies life is a beating heart.

Stones do like 12 shows every year in some part of the world. McCartney, to the best of my recollection has tour dates every year.

And FM is a stadium band now so they can do 40-70k gigs

I made a mistake, I should say the band was at the edge of the end of its life (creative, roads, anything). Because at that age, chances of continuing are less than when they are 40 or 50 yo. Yes the Stone are still there, but not Pink Floyd, Bowie, Frey, etc. That's why I mentioned risky. (IMHO) The Fleetwood Mac farewell must have been with the Rumours lineup. Now, since it's Fleetwood Mac, anything is possible in the future, but again, the odds are getting less and less. Plus, after the 2018 episode, it will bittersweet to see them together again.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by tothegypsy

There must be a way to express your feelings without ageism and misogyny. Please give it a try.

There must be a way for you to mind your own business, and stop thinking I care about your opinion. Please give it a try.

[tango87]

Originally Posted by sue

Yes I know it’s 3 years since, but I still do not understand how they sacked him.

The band has never made any sense to me without Lindsey. I remember feeling bewildered after Tango, then listening to Behind The Mask and trying to get on board with the new sound. But it just missed so much - all that complexity, depth, and inventiveness; those odd, left-field choices.

Then hearing Make Me A Mask and Goodbye Angel on The Chain, and feeling a great pang for him.

And yet here we are again... But Mick clearly feels the same. He knows that the only way for him to make music that means something at this stage is with Lindsey.

[sue]

Originally Posted by tango87

The band has never made any sense to me without Lindsey. I remember feeling bewildered after Tango, then listening to Behind The Mask and trying to get on board with the new sound. But it just missed so much - all that complexity, depth, and inventiveness; those odd, left-field choices.

Then hearing Make Me A Mask and Goodbye Angel on The Chain, and feeling a great pang for him.

And yet here we are again... But Mick clearly feels the same. He knows that the only way for him to make music that means something at this stage is with Lindsey.

Lindsey is the only one capable...to go forward.
Stevie can’t write and prefers Divadom, in her Ivory tower, Christine (sorry) is too old, John’s had enough.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by sue

Lindsey is the only one capable...to go forward.
Stevie can’t write and prefers Divadom, in her Ivory tower, Christine (sorry) is too old, John’s had enough.

THIS.

All true. Lindsey is the only creative one left. I'm sure age is the reason for the rest of them(not that he's that much younger than them, but his creativity didn't dry up like $tevie's. Christine is just too old). If you told 30yo them that they'd still be beating this dead horse when they're knocking on death's door, they'd have laughed in your face!

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

THIS.

All true. Lindsey is the only creative one left. I'm sure age is the reason for the rest of them(not that he's that much younger than them, but his creativity didn't dry up like $tevie's. Christine is just too old. If you told 30yo them that they'd still be beating this dead horse when they're knocking on death's door, they'd have laughed in your face!

Christine can still write. I loved her BuckVie Contributions.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

Christine can still write. I loved her BuckVie Contributions.

But she has no voice left. None of them really do. Either nasal, or whispering, or yelling, or croaking. Oh my.

I love BuckVie, too. If Lindsey could produce a BV II, that would be great. I wouldn't wager on it happening, though.

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

But $tevie SAYS $he's not the boss!!! $he's really let her ego go wild since her Mom died. $he is a snake. Hi$$....

Originally Posted by sue

Lindsey is the only one capable...to go forward.
Stevie can’t write and prefers Divadom, in her Ivory tower, Christine (sorry) is too old, John’s had enough.

So this is where there were some interesting quotes from Walter Egan in that podcast that elle provided a link to.

He talks about his (previously talked about by him) wild crush on Stevie and how they sorta were 'dating' or 'hanging out' together for about a month during the making of his first album (and that his hit from it, Magnet and Steel, was about her). All kinda the usual.

But then throughout he works in these casual, sort of passive-aggressive comments about her. It didn't really surprise me, the way he did it, because it seems like anyone remotely around Herself tiptoes carefully in what they say because if She doesn't like it, they will be banished from her graces (and possibly forced to walk back what they said, a la Waddy).

So anyway he talks about how much he "loved that girl" ie, the girl who Stevie was in those days, and how nice she was. Then he adds that he's "sure she's still a nice person, way deep down inside" ...clearly implying that she's not so nice anymore on the outside.... He says that it must be hard being that famous and so in the public eye that 'of course it must change you' in all sorts of ways. He says that she now has a "fortress around her" so no one can really just get in touch with her. He does manage to get backstage when she plays nearby (sounds like he's around Nashville).

He described what it's like going backstage-- there's no chance of any real one-on-one time, "you're in a room with a million people" and you just basically have to stand there waiting and hoping that she notices you and comes and talks to you. He mentioned how you sort of try to subtly get her attention so she'll come over. And when she does, you only get a few brief minutes with her (part of this is beyond her control in that there are sooo many people and everyone wants some piece of her time. So I do get in that sense that having a Karen or someone to be the 'bad cop' who hustles her along is kinda necessary, because people will get nasty and pissy if they don't get any chance to talk with her. It would seem like you'd feel better about that though if the QUALITY of the time you did get with her was high quality.. ie that she didn't just treat you like any other meet-and-greet peon).

He did say that he and LB loosely keep in touch and they do usually go out for dinner or something when LB is in town. He commented that once they got stratospherically famous it just changed everything and it's its own world, and you can, at best, just pop into it every once in a while. My sense when he was saying this was the machinery that surrounds them (LB's "Big Machine") takes over, and for some people, the ego stuff too.

[WatchChain]

I get it. We’ve been had.

I speculated early on after Lindsey “firing” if the whole drama wasn’t just some plan to give Lindsey some time off from “The Big Machine” to work on a solo album and save a crumbling marriage. Then—a global pandemic, a heart attack, and a pesky divorce unexpectedly delayed the game plan.

The plan would also keep the band working and employ Stevie’s friend Mike after the untimely passing of his band leader.

The ultimate finale would be a kiss and make up FAREWELL tour designed to send the Rumours 5 out in grand style. Unfortunately, age has started to kick in and the farewell needs to happen sooner than expected.

We are “punters” and this band has been toying with us for 46 years.