The Ledge

Go Back   The Ledge > Main Forums > Lindsey Buckingham
User Name
Password
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read


Make the Ads Go Away! Click here.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 12-07-2023, 03:14 PM
Villavic's Avatar
Villavic Villavic is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Lima Peru
Posts: 4,395
Default Who are The Cholos?

At my usual weekly check at Lindsey's networks, I found he posted today "Performing live on SNL 1982 captured by Al Levine" . There are three cool pics, one of them shows Mick at drums.

I wanted to know if that was before or after Mirage, the post doesn't specify. So after a quick research I found the SNL episode is S7 E11 "James Coburn/Lindsey Buckingham & The Cholos", Feb 6 1982

The "&" sounds like a band accompanying Lindsey, though probably not since the picture doesn't show a big band, I never heard that name associated to Lindsey, and I didn't find any The Cholos band in the web. Was it a second performer in that episode? Does anybody remember?

IMDB says Lindsey Buckingham performed "Bwana" and "Trouble". Cool pictures.

__________________
Reply With Quote
.
  #2  
Old 12-07-2023, 03:25 PM
HomerMcvie's Avatar
HomerMcvie HomerMcvie is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Nashville, Tennessee
Posts: 16,072
Default

Thee used to be videos of him on SNL on Youtube, but they seem to be gone now.

I have it on VHS, somewhere.
__________________
Christine McVie- she radiated both purity and sass in equal measure, bringing light to the music of the 70s. RIP. - John Taylor(Duran Duran)
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 12-07-2023, 03:46 PM
Villavic's Avatar
Villavic Villavic is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Lima Peru
Posts: 4,395
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by HomerMcvie View Post
Thee used to be videos of him on SNL on Youtube, but they seem to be gone now.

I have it on VHS, somewhere.
Yes, I looked for it at YouTube and didn't find it. But now, making another kind of search, I found it in Vimeo

https://vimeo.com/442118162
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 12-07-2023, 07:12 PM
WalkAThinLine. WalkAThinLine. is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Jun 2022
Posts: 250
Default

This is from Billy's December 2022 interview with Rolling Stone

You started out in Mick’s band the Cholos, which later became the Zoo.
Yeah. Lindsey was in the Cholos, too, at first. We did some tracks, but who knows what happened to them? Mick and I put together the Zoo. We used Stevie and Christine and Lindsey. The whole band was on everything, pretty much.


https://www.rollingstone.com/music/m...ie-1234639670/
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 12-08-2023, 01:20 PM
David's Avatar
David David is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: California
Posts: 14,967
Default

The Cholos appeared at some LA clubs (like the Palomino and the Golden Bear) a few times in 1981, maybe into 1982. The LA Times advertised the shows (all club shows were advertised). I never actually made it out to one. Later on, somebody reported that the name was derogatory, so Mick and the others stopped using it.
__________________

moviekinks.blogspot.com
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 12-08-2023, 03:16 PM
HomerMcvie's Avatar
HomerMcvie HomerMcvie is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Nashville, Tennessee
Posts: 16,072
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by David View Post
The Cholos appeared at some LA clubs (like the Palomino and the Golden Bear) a few times in 1981, maybe into 1982. The LA Times advertised the shows (all club shows were advertised). I never actually made it out to one. Later on, somebody reported that the name was derogatory, so Mick and the others stopped using it.
So you're saying that Mick, a man who paraded a DILDO named Harold on stage, would care that something was derogatory?
__________________
Christine McVie- she radiated both purity and sass in equal measure, bringing light to the music of the 70s. RIP. - John Taylor(Duran Duran)
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 12-08-2023, 04:28 PM
Villavic's Avatar
Villavic Villavic is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Lima Peru
Posts: 4,395
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by HomerMcvie View Post
So you're saying that Mick, a man who paraded a DILDO named Harold on stage, would care that something was derogatory?
Probably in the 80s the answer was yes, he cared. In 2014 he was asked about Harold, and he said it doesn't exist anymore. And by the expression on his face it seemed like he didn't like the question; he also hinted that being something rude, it was no longer something he enjoyed having.

Just for general culture, in Peru calling someone cholo can be derogatory as well as an expression of affection. It all depends on the way you say it.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 12-08-2023, 10:18 PM
HomerMcvie's Avatar
HomerMcvie HomerMcvie is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Nashville, Tennessee
Posts: 16,072
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Villavic View Post
Probably in the 80s the answer was yes, he cared. In 2014 he was asked about Harold, and he said it doesn't exist anymore. And by the expression on his face it seemed like he didn't like the question; he also hinted that being something rude, it was no longer something he enjoyed having.

Just for general culture, in Peru calling someone cholo can be derogatory as well as an expression of affection. It all depends on the way you say it.
Once he'd become accustomed to the Stevie Nicks lifestyle, there was no going back. Keeping paychecks coming in has become his only goal for the past 48 years. So he adopted a filter.
__________________
Christine McVie- she radiated both purity and sass in equal measure, bringing light to the music of the 70s. RIP. - John Taylor(Duran Duran)
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 12-10-2023, 02:20 PM
FuzzyPlum FuzzyPlum is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 3,421
Default

Just read the relevant pages in Billy’s book….

Paraphrasing….
Billy was at a dinner for Dick Clark. He was sat at a table with Mick. They hit it off.

‘About a week later I got a call from mick to meet him and Lindsey in Malibu. They asked me if I wanted to join a band. I said you already have one. Lindsey explained he wanted to start a band without the girls. Lindsey liked my album at the time and I joined the Cholos. Mick, Lindsey, George Hawkins, Steve Ross and me.

In 1982 our debut gig was SNL. Lindsey had a single out at the time called Trouble. We spent 2 days rehearsing that and Bwana. James Coburn was the guest presenter. I was in tremendous pain. I’d been in a leg brace and was due an operation. On the way to the stage I banged my leg on a coffee table. It hurt like hell. But Martell and cocaine got me through it.

Then, the Cholos were in the bar at Berkshire hotel and Dan ackroyd and John candy came over. They asked us to be on the letterman show with them. I don’t know why we didn’t do it.

When we got back from doing SNL we found out we couldn’t use the name Cholos. The Mexican consulate made us change it because it was the name of a Mexican gang. We changed the name to the zoo. Lindsey was in the band when we first put it together. He quit in the middle of making a record. But he was the one who actually got me in the band in the first place.

Terri Garr was the host when we did SNL for the second time with mick Fleetwood zoo on 12th November 1983’
__________________

'Where words fail, music speaks'
Mick Fleetwood
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 12-10-2023, 09:00 PM
bombaysaffires bombaysaffires is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: West Coast
Posts: 6,329
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by FuzzyPlum View Post
Just read the relevant pages in Billy’s book….

Paraphrasing….
Billy was at a dinner for Dick Clark. He was sat at a table with Mick. They hit it off.

‘About a week later I got a call from mick to meet him and Lindsey in Malibu. They asked me if I wanted to join a band. I said you already have one. Lindsey explained he wanted to start a band without the girls. Lindsey liked my album at the time and I joined the Cholos. Mick, Lindsey, George Hawkins, Steve Ross and me.

In 1982 our debut gig was SNL. Lindsey had a single out at the time called Trouble. We spent 2 days rehearsing that and Bwana. James Coburn was the guest presenter. I was in tremendous pain. I’d been in a leg brace and was due an operation. On the way to the stage I banged my leg on a coffee table. It hurt like hell. But Martell and cocaine got me through it.

Then, the Cholos were in the bar at Berkshire hotel and Dan ackroyd and John candy came over. They asked us to be on the letterman show with them. I don’t know why we didn’t do it.

When we got back from doing SNL we found out we couldn’t use the name Cholos. The Mexican consulate made us change it because it was the name of a Mexican gang. We changed the name to the zoo. Lindsey was in the band when we first put it together. He quit in the middle of making a record. But he was the one who actually got me in the band in the first place.

Terri Garr was the host when we did SNL for the second time with mick Fleetwood zoo on 12th November 1983’

this has appeared off and on over the years from LB and it seems like a real 'thing' for him..... I mean... I get why he might not want to do something with Stevie involved, but why not Chris?? Why does she get lumped in with "the GIRLS" like she's some high-maintenance, fussbudget? WTF is it about female presence that annoys or inhibits him?? No swearing and drinking and farting? No sex jokes? Odd. Because he did have female guitarists in his solo band for a short time.... and then pure boys club after that.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 12-11-2023, 12:29 AM
HomerMcvie's Avatar
HomerMcvie HomerMcvie is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Nashville, Tennessee
Posts: 16,072
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bombaysaffires View Post
this has appeared off and on over the years from LB and it seems like a real 'thing' for him..... I mean... I get why he might not want to do something with Stevie involved, but why not Chris?? Why does she get lumped in with "the GIRLS" like she's some high-maintenance, fussbudget? WTF is it about female presence that annoys or inhibits him?? No swearing and drinking and farting? No sex jokes? Odd. Because he did have female guitarists in his solo band for a short time.... and then pure boys club after that.
A side project from FM couldn't include all of FM.

Misogyny aside(can't really be said without it), I know several musicians who don't want to play in a band with girls. There's a whole different dynamic if there's a princess(Stevie like, not Christine like) in the band.

*don't shoot the messenger*
__________________
Christine McVie- she radiated both purity and sass in equal measure, bringing light to the music of the 70s. RIP. - John Taylor(Duran Duran)
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 12-11-2023, 08:35 AM
Villavic's Avatar
Villavic Villavic is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Lima Peru
Posts: 4,395
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bombaysaffires View Post
WTF is it about female presence that annoys or inhibits him?? .
I wouldn't rule out jealousy over the fact that the girls had better-known songs than him. The 1988 Greatest Hits album contains 16 songs. Only 4 songs are sung by Lindsey. Actually 3.5 cause I'm including Don't Stop.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 12-11-2023, 08:36 AM
Macfan4life's Avatar
Macfan4life Macfan4life is online now
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Somewhere near Key Biscayne, nothing there so I came back
Posts: 6,337
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by FuzzyPlum View Post
Just read the relevant pages in Billy’s book….

Paraphrasing….
Billy was at a dinner for Dick Clark. He was sat at a table with Mick. They hit it off.

‘About a week later I got a call from mick to meet him and Lindsey in Malibu. They asked me if I wanted to join a band. I said you already have one. Lindsey explained he wanted to start a band without the girls. Lindsey liked my album at the time and I joined the Cholos. Mick, Lindsey, George Hawkins, Steve Ross and me.

In 1982 our debut gig was SNL. Lindsey had a single out at the time called Trouble. We spent 2 days rehearsing that and Bwana. James Coburn was the guest presenter. I was in tremendous pain. I’d been in a leg brace and was due an operation. On the way to the stage I banged my leg on a coffee table. It hurt like hell. But Martell and cocaine got me through it.

Then, the Cholos were in the bar at Berkshire hotel and Dan ackroyd and John candy came over. They asked us to be on the letterman show with them. I don’t know why we didn’t do it.

When we got back from doing SNL we found out we couldn’t use the name Cholos. The Mexican consulate made us change it because it was the name of a Mexican gang. We changed the name to the zoo. Lindsey was in the band when we first put it together. He quit in the middle of making a record. But he was the one who actually got me in the band in the first place.

Terri Garr was the host when we did SNL for the second time with mick Fleetwood zoo on 12th November 1983’
Interesting. Stevie did SNL one month later.

This would have made a great trivia question about the Cholos. Sounds to me they changed the name not because it was offensive but for fear of their lives LOL
Living in LA, the Mexican Mafia gangs were pretty violent. The gang could have had a real issue with using their name. When the book says the consulate "made" them change the name. He would have no power to do that. But his advice was probably pretty scary like "you guys are crazy to keep this name."
__________________
My heart will rise up with the morning sun and the hurt I feel will simply melt away
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 12-11-2023, 11:12 AM
Villavic's Avatar
Villavic Villavic is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Lima Peru
Posts: 4,395
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by WalkAThinLine. View Post
[ You started out in Mick’s band the Cholos, which later became the Zoo.
Does anyone know why they gave the band that name?
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 12-11-2023, 12:57 PM
FuzzyPlum FuzzyPlum is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 3,421
Default

I think he more likely just wanted to do a bit of side work in general. Though billy says ‘without the girls’….I don’t think John was involved in that either. In the end, Christine did actually contribute. I guess it morphed from a Lindsey side project that happened to include his mate Mick into a Mick band.
__________________

'Where words fail, music speaks'
Mick Fleetwood
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


Retro Stevie Nicks Tour Shirt, Stevie Nicks 2024 Tour Shirt picture

Retro Stevie Nicks Tour Shirt, Stevie Nicks 2024 Tour Shirt

$21.99



Barbie Signature Music Series Stevie Nicks Collector Doll *Sealed In Shipper* picture

Barbie Signature Music Series Stevie Nicks Collector Doll *Sealed In Shipper*

$89.99



Stevie Nicks Music Concert shirt, Stevie Nicks Tour 2024 Vintage picture

Stevie Nicks Music Concert shirt, Stevie Nicks Tour 2024 Vintage

$23.99



Stevie Nicks Shirt Fleetwood Mac Shirt Retro Stevie Nicks T-shirt All Sizes picture

Stevie Nicks Shirt Fleetwood Mac Shirt Retro Stevie Nicks T-shirt All Sizes

$20.95



NEW Barbie Stevie Nicks Doll Barbie Signature Music Series Doll âś…SHIPS IN 1 DAYâś… picture

NEW Barbie Stevie Nicks Doll Barbie Signature Music Series Doll âś…SHIPS IN 1 DAYâś…

$88.98




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:21 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
© 1995-2003 Martin and Lisa Adelson, All Rights Reserved