Mike Campbell talks about FM in New interview

[FuzzyPlum]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

No, I want him to actually be what he purports to be, you know, like Richard Thompson. Lindsey talks about pushing artistic boundaries and then does a setlist like that. I mean, what better opportunity to debut a new song off his forthcoming album? He has six solo albums, seven Fleetwood Mac albums, and songs from soundtracks, surely there’s a deeper cut than “Stephanie”. (BTW, while I realize he did that on OMS, it’s still weird that Stevie recently released a live version of “Crying In The Night” and he opted to do “Stephanie.”)

Dude, your adoration for Richard Thompson is getting a bit boring now...and kind of odd too. You sure you're on the right board?

...Richard Thompson blah blah blah...

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by FuzzyPlum

Dude, your adoration for Richard Thompson is getting a bit boring now...and kind of odd too. You sure you're on the right board?

...Richard Thompson blah blah blah...

At least he lives by the mantra he purports.

Oddly enough, I kept seeing him mentioned in the same breath as Lindsey in guitar rags, which is how I hooked on him. Once I saw what he was actually doing, Lindsey’s rhetoric about art and expanding boundaries seemed like a bunch of hot air.

[bombaysaffires]

Apples and oranges.

Stevie, who presents herself as a pre-eminent songwriter, produces a film of a series of shows on a tour in which she sings material that averages somewhere around 30 years old (with songs written within a range of the last 50-15 years). Sure, the packaging is new -- a new film that is distributed over a variety of platforms -- and *maybe* some of the chatter accompanying each song in the film is new (and maybe not so much) with the result that she is heralded as doing something new and innovative. In reality, while the merching may be new, the content is not. It is a re-packaging of the same old. However, her goal is and always has been unabashedly to make money. She likely is succeeding (I haven't seen sales figures or revenue figures for her film but figure plenty of fans are buying). An additional goal is to be seen as still relevant, and that includes releasing a new product to sell (and singing backup with younger artists) As per above, she indeed has a new product (film) but on closer inspection the content isn't new at all.

Lindsey is recovered from a near-fatal medical event, one that put him in the ICU and treatment of which damaged his vocal cords, potentially permanently. Having come out the other side of that, his goal is to let the world know by letting them see him performing live and unedited that he has fully recovered not just medically but also functionally, i.e. that he can still sing and play and perform for an audience as well as ever. He, like Stevie, would like to make money. He, like Stevie, has new product to put out. Unlike Stevie, his new product will be made of new content because, rather than *tell* people how prolific he is and making them take his word for it, he actually creates new content (in the form of a forthcoming new album). While he achieved his goal of showing the world that he is back and in fine form, his noted lack of acute business sense led him to not include any of that new content *now*, in his live stream. This was a real mistake and a reflection of his continuing lack of appreciation of how the market works. We know the album is done, why make us take your word for it, why not actually play something from it?

Comparing her large, year-plus-in-the-making, highly-produced and overdubbed glossy film to his at-home, direct-interaction-with-fans, off-the-cuff livestream is apples and oranges. Her primary goal was making bucks and reminding everyone how legendary a songwriter she *was*, his primary goal was to show the world he's alive and well and better than ever, and to whet fans' appetite for new material that will show what a great songwriter he *still is*. Which he should have done by playing one of those new songs NOW rather than making us take his word for it a la Stevie. This kind of misstep is where we see his lack of a "big machine" PR team behind him. Critique his PR savvy, sure, but don't conflate his goals with hers.

[mitzo]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

Apples and oranges.

Stevie, who presents herself as a pre-eminent songwriter, produces a film of a series of shows on a tour in which she sings material that averages somewhere around 30 years old (with songs written within a range of the last 50-15 years). Sure, the packaging is new -- a new film that is distributed over a variety of platforms -- and *maybe* some of the chatter accompanying each song in the film is new (and maybe not so much) with the result that she is heralded as doing something new and innovative. In reality, while the merching may be new, the content is not. It is a re-packaging of the same old. However, her goal is and always has been unabashedly to make money. She likely is succeeding (I haven't seen sales figures or revenue figures for her film but figure plenty of fans are buying). An additional goal is to be seen as still relevant, and that includes releasing a new product to sell (and singing backup with younger artists) As per above, she indeed has a new product (film) but on closer inspection the content isn't new at all.

Lindsey is recovered from a near-fatal medical event, one that put him in the ICU and treatment of which damaged his vocal cords, potentially permanently. Having come out the other side of that, his goal is to let the world know by letting them see him performing live and unedited that he has fully recovered not just medically but also functionally, i.e. that he can still sing and play and perform for an audience as well as ever. He, like Stevie, would like to make money. He, like Stevie, has new product to put out. Unlike Stevie, his new product will be made of new content because, rather than *tell* people how prolific he is and making them take his word for it, he actually creates new content (in the form of a forthcoming new album). While he achieved his goal of showing the world that he is back and in fine form, his noted lack of acute business sense led him to not include any of that new content *now*, in his live stream. This was a real mistake and a reflection of his continuing lack of appreciation of how the market works. We know the album is done, why make us take your word for it, why not actually play something from it?

Comparing her large, year-plus-in-the-making, highly-produced and overdubbed glossy film to his at-home, direct-interaction-with-fans, off-the-cuff livestream is apples and oranges. Her primary goal was making bucks and reminding everyone how legendary a songwriter she *was*, his primary goal was to show the world he's alive and well and better than ever, and to whet fans' appetite for new material that will show what a great songwriter he *still is*. Which he should have done by playing one of those new songs NOW rather than making us take his word for it a la Stevie. This kind of misstep is where we see his lack of a "big machine" PR team behind him. Critique his PR savvy, sure, but don't conflate his goals with hers.

Doesn't his wife act as his business guide? She was sure in a foul-mouthed funk when he got fired and she lost the crack at some millions.

[elle]

Originally Posted by mitzo

Doesn't his wife act as his business guide? She was sure in a foul-mouthed funk when he got fired and she lost the crack at some millions.

wow. and there's that sad negativity again. assuming the worst about people. implying that his wife doesn't love him, and that she must be just a gold-digger with him for his money. this sadly seems to be news to you but when your loved one is in pain you stand by them and defend them just as she and their kids did.

how misogynistic of you.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by elle

wow. and there's that sad negativity again. assuming the worst about people.

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

awww... so you're saying you're not an adult with your own mind to decide how you want to behave? You're just a sheep who follows blindly what others do? Got it.

If you're smart enough to see that the behavior is wrong when others do it, you are smart enough not to emulate it.

Don't preach unless you're willing to be the change you want to see.

[mitzo]

Originally Posted by elle

wow. and there's that sad negativity again. assuming the worst about people. implying that his wife doesn't love him, and that she must be just a gold-digger with him for his money. this sadly seems to be news to you but when your loved one is in pain you stand by them and defend them just as she and their kids did.

how misogynistic of you.

Yeah those kids just have been proud to see their Mom calling Mick a motherfu#@er on Instagram.

[elle]

Originally Posted by mitzo

Yeah those kids just have been proud to see their Mom calling Mick a motherfu#@er on Instagram.

Their youngest is almost 17. Are you ever around teenagers? And, somehow I doubt they were all very prudish when discussing what band did to Lindsey at their home.

Or you think Micks kids of similar age as Lindsey’s youngest are hugely bothered by him going around proudly prancing on social media wearing a beanie saying the same wording on it?

Really don’t get why such hate and misogyny towards KB from SN fans who are not even shippers.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by mitzo

Doesn't his wife act as his business guide? She was sure in a foul-mouthed funk when he got fired and she lost the crack at some millions.

His fans weren’t happy when the band he shaped for 40 years fired him either and, as far as I know none of his fans are sharing any of his millions. Many music journalists have also decried what happened. Surely they can’t all be sleeping with Lindsey.

Being in a foul-mouthed funk over his treatment, reflects a sense of ethics, justice, propriety, conscience, and morality more than greed.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by michelej1

His fans weren’t happy when the band he shaped for 40 years fired him either and, as far as I know none of his fans are sharing any of his millions. Many music journalists have also decried what happened. Surely they can’t all be sleeping with Lindsey.

Being in a foul-mouthed funk over his treatment, reflects a sense of ethics, justice, propriety, conscience, and morality more than greed.

Well, we know two people that were happy.

Oops, I forgot about Karen. Make that three.

[Feather Blade]

Getting back to the thread topic... I'd love to see what Mike, Christine, Stevie and Neil could put together. I wouldn't expect a full album at this stage of the game, but an EP seems entirely doable.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by michelej1

His fans weren’t happy when the band he shaped for 40 years fired him either and, as far as I know none of his fans are sharing any of his millions. Many music journalists have also decried what happened. Surely they can’t all be sleeping with Lindsey.

Being in a foul-mouthed funk over his treatment, reflects a sense of ethics, justice, propriety, conscience, and morality more than greed.

Beautifully stated. Words like ethics, justice and morality really hit home with me. You've renewed my sense of how dishonorable Stevie Nicks is as a person to engineer something completely self serving like this. It did not benefit the band, nor the musicians in it. Anger gives way to revulsion.