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Old 08-27-2022, 08:23 PM
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This croaking old band should be embarrassed now.
You wouldn’t say that to Bob Dylan!
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Old 08-27-2022, 09:36 PM
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The Men of Mac would have been a very interesting way to remain active while Stevie was not interested. But also, they’d never do it. I doubt Mick in 1998-9 would want to go back to playing small shows so soon after the county fair circuit before The Dance. Again, you’d risk pissing off Stevie and ending Fleetwood Mac as an arena band.
Maybe.

I don’t think there'd have been the expectations for something like Buckingham Fleetwood McVie compared to an entity called Fleetwood Mac. Fleetwood Mac would still have been an arena rock band in this scenario. Maybe it would have been larger than Lindsey solo/Mick Fleetwood Blues Band, but it would be its own thing.

I also don’t think Stevie would have been threatened by it, especially if she was working on new music. The guys having their own entity would have taken pressure off of her to make more Fleetwood Mac music. Plus, it would’ve been easy to say Lindsey needed a rhythm section and Mick and John needed the work.

In any case, crediting the original GoS to Buckingham Fleetwood McVie would have been more accurate, since it wasn’t quite Fleetwood Mac, but not quite solo, and would have been better than pissing away six years debating if it should be released as a solo album or merged into a Fleetwood Mac album.
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Old 08-28-2022, 12:08 AM
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2 huge missed opportunities for the band: regrouping a bit earlier and recording a studio album before The Dance tour and instead of running back on the road in 2014 after a huge 2013 tour, a studio album and touring in 2015. But money is more important than art these days. The rush to commit to another tour in both instances without new material appealed to everyone (maybe not Lindsey). Its easy. You dont have to fight in the studio and you get filthy rich. They are not alone. Its what all the bands do now. The money made from touring with ticket prices far exceeds the desire for new songs.
Before the Dance performance, FM had hit rock bottom. No Lindsey, Christine, or Stevie. The Dance was originally a 2 night gig to be aired as a special on MTV. No one expected it to become the phenomenon it was, and it was so successful it became a worldwide tour. I only mention this because I don’t think an album of new music by the Rumours 5 would have happened because no one expected a new album by FM would be successful at that time.

Also, they debuted 4 new songs for the Dance. That was average for the Mac when they released Mirage and Tango, they played 4 new songs from each album.
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Old 08-28-2022, 12:16 AM
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The Men of Mac would have been a very interesting way to remain active while Stevie was not interested. But also, they’d never do it. I doubt Mick in 1998-9 would want to go back to playing small shows so soon after the county fair circuit before The Dance. Again, you’d risk pissing off Stevie and ending Fleetwood Mac as an arena band.
I don’t think it’s a question of Mick thinking he’s too good to play the county fair circuit at all. Note that for the Buck/Vie album, which was a FM album, the tour excluded Mick and John, and I would bet big money it was not their decision to not tour, but rather Lindsey and Christine’s decision. Why pay John and Mick their share of the tour profits when they can hire studio musicians and make more profits for themselves?
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Old 08-28-2022, 04:53 AM
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Before the Dance performance, FM had hit rock bottom. No Lindsey, Christine, or Stevie. The Dance was originally a 2 night gig to be aired as a special on MTV. No one expected it to become the phenomenon it was, and it was so successful it became a worldwide tour. I only mention this because I don’t think an album of new music by the Rumours 5 would have happened because no one expected a new album by FM would be successful at that time.

Also, they debuted 4 new songs for the Dance. That was average for the Mac when they released Mirage and Tango, they played 4 new songs from each album.
Those songs were not from a studio album. Any new material would have been better accepted if there was an album being promoted. I doubt very many people bought the Dance because of the "new" songs. I get it, the money was easy to tour and release a live album. My point is while they were still creative I wish there was a studio album to surprise everyone and then toured to promote it.
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Old 08-28-2022, 06:05 AM
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Those songs were not from a studio album. Any new material would have been better accepted if there was an album being promoted. I doubt very many people bought the Dance because of the "new" songs. I get it, the money was easy to tour and release a live album. My point is while they were still creative I wish there was a studio album to surprise everyone and then toured to promote it.
Got it. That’s probably true about the new material being better accepted, but on the other hand, I feel like most folks who went to see the Dance tour had also seen the Dance special on TV, so they were already familiar with the new songs. As you said earlier, those new songs were lazy- personally I think they were pretty bad. I can tolerate My Little Demon but that’s it. I also think it says a lot about FM’s creativity even in 1996 that despite having 4 new songs, it was Silver Springs and Landslide that got significant radio play.
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Old 08-28-2022, 06:56 AM
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Got it. That’s probably true about the new material being better accepted, but on the other hand, I feel like most folks who went to see the Dance tour had also seen the Dance special on TV, so they were already familiar with the new songs. As you said earlier, those new songs were lazy- personally I think they were pretty bad. I can tolerate My Little Demon but that’s it. I also think it says a lot about FM’s creativity even in 1996 that despite having 4 new songs, it was Silver Springs and Landslide that got significant radio play.
At some point in the 90s touring was such a cash cow and it changed the music business. In the older days a big selling album yielded the same if not more than a tour. Those days are long gone.
My Wild Heart ticket cost almost as much as the album. Ticketmaster and other entities changed that. Most people prefer to go to summer amphitheaters and hear the same songs over and over again they can sing along to.
I heard Smokey Robinson say on Stern once that there are songs he has to do so they dont throw meat at him. Many performers get locked out of the creative process due to the big money machine.
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Old 08-28-2022, 09:34 AM
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Thing is—with the exception of Lindsey, none of these musicians work on their instrument(s) between tours, so a reunion of these “advanced in age” persons would demonstrate further ossification and creakiness. If they were really going to do even a handful of shows well, Christine would need to stop watching Narcos and start practicing again, building up stamina in her legs and hands (I can’t imagine how degraded her voice has become), John would have to pick up the bass, and maybe Stevie would have to switch to flat shoes (to match the flat vocals!). Even Mick is a shadow of his former self, when it comes to playing.

Lindsey still writes, records, practices…

I guess so do Mike and Neil.
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Old 08-28-2022, 10:04 AM
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I don’t think it’s a question of Mick thinking he’s too good to play the county fair circuit at all. Note that for the Buck/Vie album, which was a FM album, the tour excluded Mick and John, and I would bet big money it was not their decision to not tour, but rather Lindsey and Christine’s decision. Why pay John and Mick their share of the tour profits when they can hire studio musicians and make more profits for themselves?
I bet Mick and John didn't tour with Chris and Lindsey in 2017 to not p*** of Stevie. If those 4 had toured, it would had to have been called Fleetwood Mac.

Remember Stevie lied when she was asked by RollingStone why she wasn't on the LBCM album, she said she had been on the road since September 2016, so she didn't get their premise; the BuckVie album was worked on in from 2014-2016 - the work didn't start when she was on her 24 Karat Gold Tour. She wasn't happy that they got an album out without her.
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Old 08-28-2022, 10:42 AM
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I bet Mick and John didn't tour with Chris and Lindsey in 2017 to not p*** of Stevie. If those 4 had toured, it would had to have been called Fleetwood Mac.

Remember Stevie lied when she was asked by RollingStone why she wasn't on the LBCM album, she said she had been on the road since September 2016, so she didn't get their premise; the BuckVie album was worked on in from 2014-2016 - the work didn't start when she was on her 24 Karat Gold Tour. She wasn't happy that they got an album out without her.
I think that's a given at least in my eyes. But that caused a big debate and ruckus on the board at the time. There is not a question in my mind when Stevie refused to partake, they went on without her. They purposely did not call it Fleetwood Mac to not piss her off. They needed her for the big tour where the contracts were signed that was coming up. When she got crankier and crankier that not only the band "played on" but dare tour without her was too much. I am sure Mick would have loved to have joined Chris and Lindsey on tour but he did not want to poke Mama bear. Stevie melted down when Lindsey wrote and sung World Turning with Chris. Stevie was always used to getting her way and the band working around her schedule. When they didn't she did the ultimate betrayal.......it's him or me.
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Old 08-28-2022, 10:48 AM
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I think that's a given at least in my eyes. But that caused a big debate and ruckus on the board at the time. There is not a question in my mind when Stevie refused to partake, they went on without her. They purposely did not call it Fleetwood Mac to not piss her off. They needed her for the big tour where the contracts were signed that was coming up. When she got crankier and crankier that not only the band "played on" but dare tour without her was too much. I am sure Mick would have loved to have joined Chris and Lindsey on tour but he did not want to poke Mama bear. Stevie melted down when Lindsey wrote and sung World Turning with Chris. Stevie was always used to getting her way and the band working around her schedule. When they didn't she did the ultimate betrayal.......it's him or me.
And I guess she used "abuse" (emotional, verbal, or violent) by Lindsey as a threat to Mick. In other words, "I'll go public with it Mick" and then Mick would've been asked why didn't you do anything about it as the band leader all those years ago.
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I bet Mick and John didn't tour with Chris and Lindsey in 2017 to not p*** of Stevie. If those 4 had toured, it would had to have been called Fleetwood Mac.
I really don’t think that fear of Stevie kept John and Mick from touring with Christine and Lindsey. You said if the four of them had toured, they would have had to call it Fleetwood Mac… yet the four of them recorded the album, and they called it Buck/Vie, not Fleetwood Mac. They could have done the same with the tour.

There are two reasons I can think of that John and Mick didn’t join them on that tour- they didn’t want to because they knew it wouldn’t be as big a moneymaker without Stevie or they weren’t invited to. I’m not sure about John, but knowing Mick and his love for being on the road and making some money, any money, I have a hard time imagining he declined.

Something that just occurred to me… Lindsey said right around the time of the Dance that he was concerned that FM touring with REO Speedwagon and Pat Benatar might have damaged the legacy of FM. The same could be said of the band if they had concluded with the Buck/Vie album and tour. Playing casinos would not have been a high note for FM to go out on.
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Before the Dance performance, FM had hit rock bottom. No Lindsey, Christine, or Stevie. The Dance was originally a 2 night gig to be aired as a special on MTV. No one expected it to become the phenomenon it was, and it was so successful it became a worldwide tour. I only mention this because I don’t think an album of new music by the Rumours 5 would have happened because no one expected a new album by FM would be successful at that time.

Also, they debuted 4 new songs for the Dance. That was average for the Mac when they released Mirage and Tango, they played 4 new songs from each album.
They knew it was going to be huge, because the Eagles did it 3 years before.
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You said if the four of them had toured, they would have had to call it Fleetwood Mac… yet the four of them recorded the album, and they called it Buck/Vie, not Fleetwood Mac. They could have done the same with the tour.
Please help me understand, you're saying that if Lindsey, Chris, Mick and John toured then the ticket could have said "Lindsey Buckingham and Christine McVie" and that's it? No mention of Mick and John on that ticket?
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Thing is—with the exception of Lindsey, none of these musicians work on their instrument(s) between tours, so a reunion of these “advanced in age” persons would demonstrate further ossification and creakiness. If they were really going to do even a handful of shows well, Christine would need to stop watching Narcos and start practicing again, building up stamina in her legs and hands (I can’t imagine how degraded her voice has become), John would have to pick up the bass, and maybe Stevie would have to switch to flat shoes (to match the flat vocals!). Even Mick is a shadow of his former self, when it comes to playing.

Lindsey still writes, records, practices…

I guess so do Mike and Neil.
That's why I said that they should all be enjoying their rocking chairs now, EXCEPT for Lindsey. Even though his voice is shot, he's the only one out there still being creative, instead of milking the FM teat.
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