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Bobby Hunt & Doug Graves
Does anyone have any opinion about whether these two were official members of the band, however briefly, in 1974? There seems to be a bit of ambiguity about this- in Mick's autobiography for example he talks about the band having "personnel spasms" (or at least I think that was the phrase). They aren't listed as members in the booklet that accompanies the Chain , however.
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"...But the real Fleetwood Mac is accenting the future – and right now that's the tour, a 43-date swing that ends December 1st – with yet another addition, Doug Graves on keyboards." The question remains though, were they ever told "you're in the band" or were they told "we are hiring you for this tour"? We will never know because Fleetwood will only tell us the story that he wants us to hear. Apparently if you have been keeping up with other threads on here, he might want us to forget that whole period between PG and SN & LB. EDIT: Mick's book says "We had some personnel spasms when we added a keyboardist, a black guy who was a friend of Bob, but he didn't last long. Then, to fill out the sound, we added another keyboardist in the person of Doug Graves, who'd been an engineer on Heroes. He was better, and didn't last either." Poor old Robert Hunt, isn't named, is referred to simply by the colour of his skin, and to top it all off it is suggested he wasn't particularly that good.
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I don't think they were ever consider "members". Since they were down to a 4 piece, they were just added for the tour, to flesh out the sound.
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Thanks for your input. Somehow, Mick's take on it in his book leads me, fwiw, to think that they were considered to be "members" of the band at the time, rather than backing musicians (like Nigel Watson, Brett Tuggle, Asante, Steve Thoma amongst others) albeit just for parts of the Heroes tour. That they never recorded anything with the band muddies it slightly.
I guess part of the problem is that there is also a distinction between who was ever legally part of the band, rather than simply artistically- presumably like Brunning, Vito, Mason, Bramlett and maybe Burnette, Weston & Walker. I don't suppose that even Nicks and Buckingham were legally part of the band, rather than hired hands right from December 31st 1974. They were put on a salary, weren't they? |
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They started out as associates and became partners in the firm.
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Then Bob left and finding another guitarist became a necessity, and that's when he got Lindsey (and Stevie by default). It would seem reasonable that after Stevie and Lindsey were on board, Mick gave Bob another chance to reconsider leaving (hey Bob, look, we have a new guitarist and girl singer...wanna stay), but Bob said no. I'd be curious as to what conversations happened from December 1, 1974 (last HAHTF show) through February 1, 1975. Quote:
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There's some evidence that the band had made it known when they were performing that Doug Graves was a member of Fleetwood Mac in 1974- listen to the announcement at the start of this clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMnRXv9ljaw Maybe Pete Frame should update the family tree? Or maybe not... Sorry, don't know how to embed the video. |
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Not that Wikipedia is always the most reliable source, but their entry on Fleetwood Mac includes an interesting late-'74 quote from Doug Graves:
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Remember, they were trying to reestablish that they (Mick, John, Christine, and Bob) were indeed the REAL Fleetwood Mac.
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Never saw that before. I wonder if he was really asked to become a member and the others changed their minds, or if he just misunderstood the situation. It seems odd that the band would add somebody and it not be in the music magazines, even in 1974. Even Stevie and Lindsey joining got mentioned. I'd love to read the article in full.
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Was Bobby Hunt the keyboardist responsible for the amazing organ work on "Believe Me" during the Sausalito session? If so, he is waaaaaaaaaaaay more than merely Bob's black friend, Mick Fleetwood.
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I don't know that I'm THAT interested, although I'd be curious to read Bill Bruford's review of Santana.
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It's not Don Kirshner doing the announcement in the clip I mentioned above
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMnRXv9ljaw He says "and tonight we're very happy to present Mick Fleetwood, John McVie, Christine McVie, Bob Welch & Doug Graves- in other words the real Fleetwood Mac." I can't make out what he says his name is. Can anyone make it out or recognise the photo? |
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