I still don’t get it..

[sue]

Originally Posted by tango87

The band has never made any sense to me without Lindsey. I remember feeling bewildered after Tango, then listening to Behind The Mask and trying to get on board with the new sound. But it just missed so much - all that complexity, depth, and inventiveness; those odd, left-field choices.

Then hearing Make Me A Mask and Goodbye Angel on The Chain, and feeling a great pang for him.

And yet here we are again... But Mick clearly feels the same. He knows that the only way for him to make music that means something at this stage is with Lindsey.

Lindsey is the only one capable...to go forward.
Stevie can’t write and prefers Divadom, in her Ivory tower, Christine (sorry) is too old, John’s had enough.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by sue

Lindsey is the only one capable...to go forward.
Stevie can’t write and prefers Divadom, in her Ivory tower, Christine (sorry) is too old, John’s had enough.

THIS.

All true. Lindsey is the only creative one left. I'm sure age is the reason for the rest of them(not that he's that much younger than them, but his creativity didn't dry up like $tevie's. Christine is just too old). If you told 30yo them that they'd still be beating this dead horse when they're knocking on death's door, they'd have laughed in your face!

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

THIS.

All true. Lindsey is the only creative one left. I'm sure age is the reason for the rest of them(not that he's that much younger than them, but his creativity didn't dry up like $tevie's. Christine is just too old. If you told 30yo them that they'd still be beating this dead horse when they're knocking on death's door, they'd have laughed in your face!

Christine can still write. I loved her BuckVie Contributions.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

Christine can still write. I loved her BuckVie Contributions.

But she has no voice left. None of them really do. Either nasal, or whispering, or yelling, or croaking. Oh my.

I love BuckVie, too. If Lindsey could produce a BV II, that would be great. I wouldn't wager on it happening, though.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

But she has no voice left. None of them really do. Either nasal, or whispering, or yelling, or croaking. Oh my.

I love BuckVie, too. If Lindsey could produce a BV II, that would be great. I wouldn't wager on it happening, though.

This is stunning to me! And I love that Brooch. BuckVie II would make me fly to Indiana to see it with you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTKY...&start_radio=1

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

This is stunning to me! And I love that Brooch. BuckVie II would make me fly to Indiana to see it with you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTKY...&start_radio=1

That sounds pretty good, and it's only dropped a half step(although the original was never completely in C - Lindsey had been f*cking with the tape speed[I HATE it when I can't play along without retuning - which is half of Tusk]).

These days I see nearly all my shows in Nashville. Indy is an hour away from Bloomington, and nearly all tours hit both towns, so I just wait for the Nashville date! I can walk to all venues in town, cocktail in hand. No driving, no paying $30 to park, and hit the honky tonks the minute the concert is over.
See ya in Nashville!

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

But she has no voice left. None of them really do. Either nasal, or whispering, or yelling, or croaking. Oh my.

I love BuckVie, too. If Lindsey could produce a BV II, that would be great. I wouldn't wager on it happening, though.

We could've had new FM music played on the On With the Show Tour too. But Songs from the Vault was more important

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

We could've had new FM music played on the On With the Show Tour too. But Songs from the Vault was more important

Because it ain't about art anymore. $$$$$$$tevie!

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Because it ain't about art anymore. $$$$$$$tevie!

If only $he respected the band like $he claims $he does. I wish $he would have just quit and let the other 4 carry on. $he could go make money, and we could get more music.

$he strangled the band. (I think Tony said that.) But I love that analogy.

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

But $tevie SAYS $he's not the boss!!! $he's really let her ego go wild since her Mom died. $he is a snake. Hi$$....

Originally Posted by sue

Lindsey is the only one capable...to go forward.
Stevie can’t write and prefers Divadom, in her Ivory tower, Christine (sorry) is too old, John’s had enough.

So this is where there were some interesting quotes from Walter Egan in that podcast that elle provided a link to.

He talks about his (previously talked about by him) wild crush on Stevie and how they sorta were 'dating' or 'hanging out' together for about a month during the making of his first album (and that his hit from it, Magnet and Steel, was about her). All kinda the usual.

But then throughout he works in these casual, sort of passive-aggressive comments about her. It didn't really surprise me, the way he did it, because it seems like anyone remotely around Herself tiptoes carefully in what they say because if She doesn't like it, they will be banished from her graces (and possibly forced to walk back what they said, a la Waddy).

So anyway he talks about how much he "loved that girl" ie, the girl who Stevie was in those days, and how nice she was. Then he adds that he's "sure she's still a nice person, way deep down inside" ...clearly implying that she's not so nice anymore on the outside.... He says that it must be hard being that famous and so in the public eye that 'of course it must change you' in all sorts of ways. He says that she now has a "fortress around her" so no one can really just get in touch with her. He does manage to get backstage when she plays nearby (sounds like he's around Nashville).

He described what it's like going backstage-- there's no chance of any real one-on-one time, "you're in a room with a million people" and you just basically have to stand there waiting and hoping that she notices you and comes and talks to you. He mentioned how you sort of try to subtly get her attention so she'll come over. And when she does, you only get a few brief minutes with her (part of this is beyond her control in that there are sooo many people and everyone wants some piece of her time. So I do get in that sense that having a Karen or someone to be the 'bad cop' who hustles her along is kinda necessary, because people will get nasty and pissy if they don't get any chance to talk with her. It would seem like you'd feel better about that though if the QUALITY of the time you did get with her was high quality.. ie that she didn't just treat you like any other meet-and-greet peon).

He did say that he and LB loosely keep in touch and they do usually go out for dinner or something when LB is in town. He commented that once they got stratospherically famous it just changed everything and it's its own world, and you can, at best, just pop into it every once in a while. My sense when he was saying this was the machinery that surrounds them (LB's "Big Machine") takes over, and for some people, the ego stuff too.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

He did say that he and LB loosely keep in touch and they do usually go out for dinner or something when LB is in town. He commented that once they got stratospherically famous it just changed everything and it's its own world, and you can, at best, just pop into it every once in a while. My sense when he was saying this was the machinery that surrounds them (LB's "Big Machine") takes over, and for some people, the ego stuff too.

Thank you for the summary. I did not want to listen to the entire interview.

Do you know what? When someone you have known since you were 17 and worked with for 50 years nearly dies and you don’t put aside your differences and call them on the telephone at the very least, then you are not still nice deep down inside. You can plunge the depths all you want. At this point in time it’s as shallow inside as it is on the surface.

[UnwindedDreams]

Putting this fine gem from Stevie in 2017 here. Such brilliant, eloquent and intellectual answers she gave:
Lindsey Buckingham and Christine McVie are about to release an album as a duo. It seems like it started as a Fleetwood Mac album, but you chose not to participate.
I’ve been on the road [solo] since last September, so I don’t understand their premise. Christine was gone [from Fleetwood Mac] for 16 years and came back, did a massive tour, and then it’s like, “Now I’m just gonna go back to London and sit in my castle for two years”? She wanted to keep working. I will be back with them at the end of the year for, I think, another tour. I just needed my two years off. Until then, I wish them the best in whatever they do.

Do you want to make a new record with them?
I don’t think we’ll do another record. If the music business were different, I might feel different. I don’t think there’s any reason to spend a year and an amazing amount of money on a record that, even if it has great things, isn’t going to sell. What we do is go on the road, do a ton of shows and make lots of money. We have a lot of fun. Making a record isn’t all that much fun.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

Putting this fine gem from Stevie in 2017 here. Such brilliant, eloquent and intellectual answers she gave:
Lindsey Buckingham and Christine McVie are about to release an album as a duo. It seems like it started as a Fleetwood Mac album, but you chose not to participate.
I’ve been on the road [solo] since last September, so I don’t understand their premise. Christine was gone [from Fleetwood Mac] for 16 years and came back, did a massive tour, and then it’s like, “Now I’m just gonna go back to London and sit in my castle for two years”? She wanted to keep working. I will be back with them at the end of the year for, I think, another tour. I just needed my two years off. Until then, I wish them the best in whatever they do.

Do you want to make a new record with them?
I don’t think we’ll do another record. If the music business were different, I might feel different. I don’t think there’s any reason to spend a year and an amazing amount of money on a record that, even if it has great things, isn’t going to sell. What we do is go on the road, do a ton of shows and make lots of money. We have a lot of fun. Making a record isn’t all that much fun.

$$$tevie Nick$$$$$, the $$$$nake that $$$$trangled FM.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by michelej1

Do you know what? When someone you have known since you were 17 and worked with for 50 years nearly dies and you don’t put aside your differences and call them on the telephone at the very least, then you are not still nice deep down inside. You can plunge the depths all you want. At this point in time it’s as shallow inside as it is on the surface.

This statement is how I feel, too. It's so hard for me to wrap my head around. She's an empty pretentious vessel of nasal air.

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

This statement is how I feel, too. It's so hard for me to wrap my head around. She's an empty pretentious vessel of nasal air.

How do you not know she's too busy to make the call! He should be grateful he got a letter from her!

From NME:
“Being an ex-girlfriend, I wrote more than that. I said: ‘You’d better stay well and you’d take care of yourself’.

Wasn't that so warm and comforting?

“But we haven’t had any communication [since the letter]”, she added. “It’s OK. If it’s ever meant to happen, it will. If we’re meant to communicate ever again, we will. It’s not happening right now.”

Checking-in during his recovery and rehabilitation wasn't meant to be. When he's ready to apologize for her mandatory cardigan uniform on the 2003 tour, then they can start communicating.