W shows true abortion colors

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

answer the question ya numbskull OR quote from the sections you think support your inane comparison of carrying a registered weapon with a violation of gun control

She testified in 1995 that everyone should be able to handle a concealed and registered weapon. She urged everyone who felt helpless to go out, register a weapon, and carry it with them if they felt they needed to do so to feel safe. What she failed to mention is that CCW permits are only issued to politicians, celebrities, and police officers. She's a bull**** artist, simply put.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by amber

I really don't understand how Bush has the colossal f***wad nerve to talk about the "culture of life" considering the war he is waging. I really can't. And the frickin democrats better not allow a religious right wing fu**tard on the Supreme Court when that comes up.

How are they going to stop it?

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by amber

You know, I was gonna say that, but...
I read an interesting article in our paper today about the different styles of Feinstein v. Boxer. Basically, as if i didn't already, it made me really hate Feinstein... she worked with Bush for his "safe logging" bill or whatever, that allowes massive logging under the guise of "fire control". She helped get it passed.

I don't care for Feinstein.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

She testified in 1995 that everyone should be able to handle a concealed and registered weapon. She urged everyone who felt helpless to go out, register a weapon, and carry it with them if they felt they needed to do so to feel safe. What she failed to mention is that CCW permits are only issued to politicians, celebrities, and police officers. She's a bull**** artist, simply put.

Says who? Last I checked any California resident could get a permit to carry a gun In fact, here is San Diego's website http://www.sdsheriff.net/mgt_serv/licensing/ccw.html

to wit:

SUBJECT: APPLICATION FOR A CONCEALED WEAPONS LICENSE

Enclosed is an application for a concealed weapons license. Please review it carefully. If you choose to submit this application, complete all sections with the exception of the two signature areas. Then collect the documentation to support your request and complete the additional safety training class as required by law. The documentation required to support your application is explained below.

Applications must be submitted to Sheriff’s License Division in person. Please call Sheriff’s License Division at 858-974-2020 to schedule an appointment. Appointments may be set between the hours of 8:00 a.m. to 4:00 Monday through Thursday and 9:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. on Fridays. You will need to allow an hour for the interview, fingerprints and photograph.

The Department of Justice and San Diego County Sheriff’s Department are both involved in the processing of this application and each agency requires certain fees. The current fee schedule is as follows:

Initial Application Fees
Cash or check made payable to San Diego Sheriff’s Department for $44.00 plus a money order made payable to DOJ as shown below:

Standard (Two-year) license 100.00 money order

Judicial (Three-year) license 122.00 money order

Reserve Peace Officer (Four-year) 144.00 money order

Renewal Fees
A single payment in the form of cash or check made payable to San Diego Sheriff’s Department shall be submitted for renewal of a CCW permit as shown below:

Standard (Two-year) license 67.00

Judicial (Three-year) license 89.00

Reserve Peace Officer (Four-year) 111.00

Fees are subject to change as allowed by law. They are processing fees and as such are not refundable regardless of the decision made on the application.

Applicants must complete a course of training prior to submitting this application. Enclosed is a list of instructors whose course curriculum is accepted by this Department as meeting the criteria for PC12050(a)(1)(B) and (E). Applicants may contact anyone on the list for this training.

Documentation
All new applicants must demonstrate they are residents of San Diego County, have good cause and good moral character, pursuant to PC 12050. For purposes of this application, applicants must submit proof of residency in the form of two current, unpaid utility bills that list their name, service address and mailing address (or other similar type proof). Three character reference letters are required to assist in substantiating good moral character. These letters must be written by local residents and contain a local address and phone number. Letters will not be accepted from any relatives. The writer must also acknowledge he or she understands the letter is for an application for a concealed weapons permit.

Good cause is an individual issue; however, if applying for business purposes, proof that you are in actual and legitimate business will be required. Business owners must submit proof of business ownership and employees must submit a letter from their employer stating he or she approves of and accepts the liability for the employee carrying a concealed weapon while performing business duties. Valid California identification is also required.

Law Enforcement employees who are required to qualify quarterly are exempt from the requirement of the training class. Call for information on this and exemption of character reference letters.

Other verifications will be requested on an individual basis. Residence verifications, proof of good cause and proof of training class are required with subsequent (renewal) applications.

If there are other questions not already addressed, please call Sheriff’s License Division.

Sincerely,

WILLIAM B. KOLENDER, SHERIFF



Blanca Pelowitz, Manager
License Division



But, even if you are correct, that does not make her a hypocrite against gun control - nice try though

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

How are they going to stop it?

they cannot and they know it. I have been thinking lately that the D's want to shed the abortion issue as it is so devisive - maybe by not opposing too hard the pro-life nominee, they can rid themselves of that issue

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

I don't care for Feinstein.

she is not my fav. either

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

well, her position supporting the assault weapons ban would be enough to keep her out of the R Club

Then you would have to include Reagan and Giuliani in that statement.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Then you would have to include Reagan and Giuliani in that statement.

I have always said RR and to a greater extent RG were moderates, esp. compared to the fundamentalist religious right that controls the R party these days. I mean RG lived with two partnered gay guys while his estranged wife lived in the Gov. Mansion and while he was carrying on with his mistress. That is hardly the model for the current moral obsessed R party

The R party today wants a free for all when it comes to carrying and buying guns They think any legal control is an unontitutional intrusion

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I believe Trddy K. was, to put it mildly, a great supporter of that sham

Wrong.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by dissention

He also voted for Iraq.

HE DIDN'T VOTE FOR THE MEDICARE BILL. Back to your regularly scheduled programming.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Wrong.

Ted Kennedy supported the Medicare Reform Bill

I remember seeing W and TK in a photo op congratulating themselves on their bipartisanship in getting the bill through If I am remembering something else - then I am wrong and hereso state it

[strandinthewind]

Here is Ted K. on the issues:

Ted Kennedy on Health Care



Voted YES on $40 billion per year for limited Medicare prescription drug benefit.
S. 1 As Amended; Prescription Drug and Medicare Improvement Act of 2003. Vote to pass a bill that would authorize $400 billion over 10 years to create a prescription drug benefit for Medicare recipients beginning in 2006. Seniors would be allowed to remain within the traditional fee-for-service program or seniors would have the option to switch to a Medicare Advantage program that includes prescription drug coverage. Private insurers would provide prescription drug coverage. Private Insurers would engage in competitive bidding to be awarded two-year regional contracts by the Center for Medicare Choices under the Department of Health and Human Services.Enrolled seniors would pay a $275 deductible and an average monthly premium of $35. Annual drug costs beyond the deductible and up to $4,500 would be divided equally between the beneficiary and the insurer. Beneficiaries with incomes below 160 percent of the poverty level would be eligible for added assistance.
Reference: Medicare Prescription Drug Benefit bill; Bill S.1/H.R.1 ; vote number 2003-262 on Jun 26, 2003

Voted YES on allowing importation of Rx drugs from Canada.
S. 812, as amended; Greater Access to Affordable Pharmaceuticals Act of 2002. Vote to pass a bill that would permit a single 30-month stay against Food and Drug Administration approval of a generic drug patent when a brand-name company's patent is challenged. The secretary of Health and Human Services would be authorized to announce regulations allowing pharmacists and wholesalers to import prescription drugs from Canada into the United States. Canadian pharmacies and wholesalers that provide drugs for importation would be required to register with Health and Human Services. Individuals would be allowed to import prescription drugs from Canada. The medication would have to be for an individual use and a supply of less than 90-days.
Bill S.812 ; vote number 2002-201 on Jul 31, 2002

Voted YES on allowing patients to sue HMOs & collect punitive damages.
Vote to provide federal protections, such as access to specialty and emergency room care, and allow patients to sue health insurers in state and federal courts. Economic damages would not be capped, and punitive damages would be capped at $5 million.
Bill S1052 ; vote number 2001-220 on Jun 29, 2001

Voted NO on funding GOP version of Medicare prescription drug benefit.
Vote to pass an amendment that would make up to $300 billion available for a Medicare prescription drug benefit for 2002 through 2011. The money would come from the budget's contingency fund. The amendment would also require a Medicare overhaul.
Bill H Con Res 83 ; vote number 2001-65 on Apr 3, 2001

Voted YES on including prescription drugs under Medicare.
Vote to establish a prescription drug benefit program through the Medicare health insurance program. Among other provisions, Medicare would contribute at least 50% of the cost of prescription drugs and beneficiaries would pay a $250 deductible
Bill HR.4690 ; vote number 2000-144 on Jun 22, 2000

Voted NO on limiting self-employment health deduction.
The Santorum (R-PA) amdt would effectively kill the Kennedy Amdt (D-MA) which would have allowed self-employed individuals to fully deduct the cost of their health insurance on their federal taxes.
Status: Amdt Agreed to Y)53; N)47
Reference: Santorum Amdt #1234; Bill S. 1344 ; vote number 1999-202 on Jul 13, 1999

Voted YES on increasing tobacco restrictions.
This cloture motion was on a bill which would have increased tobacco restrictions. [YES is an anti-smoking vote].
Status: Cloture Motion Rejected Y)57; N)42; NV)1
Reference: Motion to invoke cloture on a modified committee substitute to S. 1415; Bill S. 1415 ; vote number 1998-161 on Jun 17, 1998

Voted NO on banning human cloning.
This cloture motion was in order to end debate and move to consideration of legislation banning human cloning. [A YES vote opposes human cloning].
Status: Cloture Motion Rejected Y)42; N)54; NV)4
Reference: Motion to invoke cloture on motion to proceed to S. 1601; Bill S. 1601 ; vote number 1998-10 on Feb 11, 1998

Voted NO on Medicare means-testing.
Approval of means-based testing for Medicare insurance premiums.
Status: Motion to Table Agreed to Y)70; N)20
Reference: Motion to table the Kennedy Amdt #440; Bill S. 947 ; vote number 1997-113 on Jun 24, 1997

Voted YES on medical savings acounts.
Vote to block a plan which would allow tax-deductible medical savings accounts.
Status: Amdt Agreed to Y)52; N)46; NV)2
Reference: Kassebaum Amdt #3677; Bill S. 1028 ; vote number 1996-72 on Apr 18, 1996

Invest funds to alleviate the nursing shortage.
Kennedy sponsored the Nurse Reinvestment Act

Amends Medicare to provide for nurse education training payments to qualified entities.
Amends Medicaid to temporarily increase the matching rate for Medicaid nurse aide training and competency evaluation programs.
Amends the Internal Revenue Code to provide for the exclusion from gross income of amounts received under the National Nursing Service Corps Scholarship Program.
Amends the Public Health Service Act to: (1) develop and issue public service announcements that advertise and promote the nursing profession, highlight the advantages and rewards of nursing, and encourage individuals from diverse communities and backgrounds to enter the nursing profession; and (2) award grants to designated eligible educational entities in order to increase the number of nurses.
Establishes a National Nurse Service Corps Scholarship program that provides scholarships to individuals seeking nursing education in exchange for service by such individuals in areas with nursing shortages. Authorizes appropriations.
Source: Bill sponsored by 39 Senators 01-S706 on Apr 5, 2001

Let states make bulk Rx purchases, and other innovations.
Kennedy signed a letter from 30 Senators to the Secretary of HHS
To: The Honorable Tommy G. Thompson, Secretary, Department of Health & Human Services

Dear Secretary Thompson:

As you know, prescription drug costs have been surging at double-digit rates for the last six years. The average annual increase 1999 through 2003 was a massive 16%, seven times the rate of general inflation.

These increases fall hardest on senior citizens and the uninsured. Their health needs are often great, and their low incomes often make these products unaffordable. They have no ability to use their combined purchasing power to negotiate reasonable prices. Taxpayers pay tens of billions of dollars for the purchase of drugs by Medicaid—an expense that could be reduced significantly if states are permitted to negotiate for the best prices from drug manufacturers.

As you know, the Supreme Court has just ruled that Maine's innovative program to reduce prescription drug costs for the uninsured and senior citizens is not a violation of the Medicaid law. As a result of this decision, Maine can use the combined buying power of Medicaid and individuals purchasing drugs on their own to negotiate lower prices with drug manufacturers. Twenty-nine other states supported the position taken by Maine, and there is broad interest in many states in initiating similar programs.

The Supreme Court's ruling, however, left open the possibility that if the Department of Health and Human Services makes a finding that the Maine program violates the Medicaid statute, the Department's action would be upheld by the Court. We urge you not to intervene to block Maine's program or similar statutes in other states that achieve savings for taxpayers, the elderly, and the uninsured. Such programs must be carefully implemented to assure that the poor are not denied access to needed drugs, but there is no justification for the federal government to deny states the ability to negotiate lower drug prices on behalf of their neediest citizens.

Source: Letter from 30 Senators to the Secretary of HHS 03-SEN6 on May 20, 2003

Rated 100% by APHA, indicating a pro-public health record.
Kennedy scores 100% by APHA on health issues
The American Public Health Association (APHA) is the oldest and largest organization of public health professionals in the world, representing more than 50,000 members from over 50 occupations of public health. APHA is concerned with a broad set of issues affecting personal and environmental health, including federal and state funding for health programs, pollution control, programs and policies related to chronic and infectious diseases, a smoke-free society, and professional education in public health.

The following ratings are based on the votes the organization considered most important; the numbers reflect the percentage of time the representative voted the organization's preferred position.

Source: APHA website 03n-APHA on Dec 31, 2003

End government propaganda on Medicare bill.
Kennedy signed a letter from 6 Senators to Directors of Television Networks
Recently, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), through a public relations firm, distributed Video News Releases (VNRs) to numerous local television news stations across the country. These VNRs contain pre-scripted news story packages and B-Roll designed to influence local news station to run stories complimentary of the new Medicare law recently signed by President Bush. However, these VNRs may mislead many news stations because they do not identify that they are produced by the government. In addition, these materials are currently being evaluated to determine whether they are illegal "covert propaganda."

We urge you to immediately warn stations not to use these materials and pull any stories that use them.

These tapes can be identified as follows: Two English-language versions begin with B-Roll of video slides promoting the new Medicare law, followed by interview soundbites from Tommy Thompson, Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services and Leslie Norwalk, Acting Deputy Administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid (CMS). Following these soundbites, a complete television news package is run, with a voice-over by a fictional reporter named "Karen Ryan." Following the news package, more B-Roll is provided, including scenes of President Bush's rally at the signing of the bill, scenes from a pharmacy and scenes of seniors playing table games.

It is critical to the credibility of an independent news media that covert government propaganda be rejected for use by news organizations. We also believe that honest government should not resort to such deceptive tactics, and it is our belief that these materials violate the above-mentioned Federal law. Thank you for your cooperation with this request.

Source: Letter from 6 Senators to Directors of Television Networks 04-SEN3 on Mar 15, 2004

Collect data on birth defects and present to the public.
Kennedy sponsored the Birth Defects Prevention Act

Directs the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to carry out programs to:
collect and analyze, and make available data on the causes of birth defects and on the incidence and prevalence of such defects;
operate regional centers for the conduct of applied epidemiological research on the prevention of such defects;
provide information and education to the public on the prevention of such defects;
collect and analyze data by gender and by racial and ethnic group9/6/2004
collect such data from birth and death certificates, hospital records, and such other sources; and
(3) encourage States to establish or improve programs for the collection and analysis of epidemiological data on birth defects and to make the data available.
Corresponding House bill is H.R.1114. Became Public Law No: 105-168.
Source: Bill sponsored by 35 Senators and 164 Reps 97-S419 on Mar 11, 1997

http://www.issues2000.org/Social/Ted...ealth_Care.htm

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by dissention

He also voted for Iraq.

No sweetheart, he didn't.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Secondly, Teddy and the rest voted to give W the authorization to chose war as a last resort

Senator Kennedy did not vote for the Medicare Bill or for the Iraq War Resolution (114). He voted NAY on both.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

No sweetheart, he didn't.

He most certainly did not:

Voted NO on $86.5 billion for military operations in Iraq & Afghanistan.
Vote to pass a bill that would appropriate $86.5 billion in supplemental spending for military operations and reconstruction in Iraq and Afghanistan, in Fiscal 2004. The bill would provide $10.3 billion as a grant to rebuild Iraq. This includes:
$5.1 billion for security
$5.2 billion for reconstruction costs
$65.6 billion for military operations and maintenance
$1.3 billion for veterans medical care
$10 billion as a loan that would be converted to a grant if 90% of all bilateral debt incurred by the former Iraqi regime of Saddam Hussein, would have to be forgiven by other countries.
Reference: FY04 Emergency Supplemental for Iraq and Afghanistan; Bill S1689 ; vote number 2003-400 on Oct 17, 2003

Voted NO on authorizing use of military force against Iraq.
H.J.Res. 114; Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002. The administration would be required to report to Congress that diplomatic options have been exhausted before, or within 48 hours after military action has started. Every 60 days the president would also be required to submit a progress report to Congress.
Bill H.J.RES.114 ; vote number 2002-237 on Oct 11, 2002

http://www.issues2000.org/Internatio...ar_+_Peace.htm

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