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[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by FuzzyPlum

Ha ha ha. You been watching Sean Hannity again?
Come on, have you ever been to Europe? You have absolutely no clue.
What you are typing is absolute garbage. Complete and utter tosh. Laughable. Ha ha.

Someone has only one source of (dis)information. Trumpists have no ideology. Trump was a Manhattan liberal a few years ago but has people hoodwinked. Its tribalism now. No ideology left or right, liberal or conservative. Its to protect the tribe at any cost. Facts don't matter. The only role in life is to protect the tribe at all costs. It would be like having a conversation with a coffee table. I miss the old debates liberal vs conservative, etc. Now its just disinformation all over the place. Democracies all over the world are tumbling because of the disinformation pumped into the countries. Look who was elected in Poland, Chech republic, etc. Even Brexit was a Russian pipe dream come true. Thank goodness for the French for turning the tide and not supporting fascist LePage. If she had won, she would have dismantled NATO a personal request of Putin. She was just invited to speak at CPAC which is "supposed" to be a gathering of conservatives. They forgot that she supports government health care and government mandating shortening of the work week (anti-business). She is anything but a conservative but because she is so anti-immigrant the "fake conservatives" welcomed her with open arms. Its total hypocrisy but when you don't believe facts, what do you expect.
The indictments are coming. We are in for one hell of a ride.
Our founding fathers were brilliant men. The system they created was a check and balance on all areas of government. Even if a strongman or dictator was elected the Congress would have oversight to counter the executive branch. Our founding fathers never imagined that member of Congress would refuse to do oversight. Trump has so many conflicts of interests. Only the political party in power in Congress has subpoena power. It would take a change of party to get subpoena power to show Trump's taxes, investments, and tenants in his buildings. That may change in a few months.

[Jondalar]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

Someone has only one source of (dis)information. Trumpists have no ideology. Trump was a Manhattan liberal a few years ago but has people hoodwinked. Its tribalism now. No ideology left or right, liberal or conservative. Its to protect the tribe at any cost. Facts don't matter. The only role in life is to protect the tribe at all costs. It would be like having a conversation with a coffee table. I miss the old debates liberal vs conservative, etc. Now its just disinformation all over the place. Democracies all over the world are tumbling because of the disinformation pumped into the countries. Look who was elected in Poland, Chech republic, etc. Even Brexit was a Russian pipe dream come true. Thank goodness for the French for turning the tide and not supporting fascist LePage. If she had won, she would have dismantled NATO a personal request of Putin. She was just invited to speak at CPAC which is "supposed" to be a gathering of conservatives. They forgot that she supports government health care and government mandating shortening of the work week (anti-business). She is anything but a conservative but because she is so anti-immigrant the "fake conservatives" welcomed her with open arms. Its total hypocrisy but when you don't believe facts, what do you expect.
The indictments are coming. We are in for one hell of a ride.
Our founding fathers were brilliant men. The system they created was a check and balance on all areas of government. Even if a strongman or dictator was elected the Congress would have oversight to counter the executive branch. Our founding fathers never imagined that member of Congress would refuse to do oversight. Trump has so many conflicts of interests. Only the political party in power in Congress has subpoena power. It would take a change of party to get subpoena power to show Trump's taxes, investments, and tenants in his buildings. That may change in a few months.

Thanks for your great wisdom. Trump’s not a dictator and never was and he didn’t even know enough about Washington to collude with the Russians, unlike the Clintons. It will get interesting. If you think that people are just going to sit around and let Democrats steal the presidency over some made up crap, you have another thing coming. It will be an all out civil war.

[Hawkeye]

Originally Posted by Jondalar

Thanks for your great wisdom. Trump’s not a dictator and never was and he didn’t even know enough about Washington to collude with the Russians, unlike the Clintons. It will get interesting. If you think that people are just going to sit around and let Democrats steal the presidency over some made up crap, you have another thing coming. It will be an all out civil war.

You do realize trump being impeached would not then make his opponent in the last election president right? Mike Pence would be president. Don’t see how that’s the Democrats stealing an election.

[Jondalar]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

You do realize trump being impeached would not then make his opponent in the last election president right? Mike Pence would be president. Don’t see how that’s the Democrats stealing an election.

You do realize that nobody voted for Mike Pence and he would of never been elected anyway. You do realize that from day one the public has watched the media and Democrats openly conspire against Trump and try to discredit the election. (Now we are supposed to believe that this is just an honest investigation when you’ve been so obvious about the whole thing.)And you do realize that Democrats already stole the nomination and probably the presidency from Bernie Sanders and they don’t mind doing it again.

Oh and you do realize that Hillary Clinton was caught in lie after lie and nothing happened to her.

People who voted for Trump are just supposed to watch this happen.

[iamnotafraid]

Ever wonder how many minds we've
changed here by arguing?

At least I know I'm right.

[FuzzyPlum]

Originally Posted by iamnotafraid

Ever wonder how many minds we've
changed here by arguing?

At least I know I'm right.

I Know I'm Not Wrong

[elle]

Originally Posted by iamnotafraid

Ever wonder how many minds we've
changed here by arguing?

At least I know I'm right.

i've been checking here from time to time, just out of curiosity. i have to say that i'm puzzled why people keep re-arguing what happened more than a year ago.

why not discuss current events? there's so much important stuff happening right now, including tax cuts, education, foreign policy, environment, immigration, gun control, healthcare, infrastructure (well doesn't seem like much is happening there) that all has consequences for both now and the future, yet all i read here is re-litigating something that's long over and done.

[Jondalar]

Originally Posted by elle

i've been checking here from time to time, just out of curiosity. i have to say that i'm puzzled why people keep re-arguing what happened more than a year ago.

why not discuss current events? there's so much important stuff happening right now, including tax cuts, education, foreign policy, environment, immigration, gun control, healthcare, infrastructure (well doesn't seem like much is happening there) that all has consequences for both now and the future, yet all i read here is re-litigating something that's long over and done.

Because the Democratic Party won't move on. They keep blaming their loss on the president and Russia and won't take any responsibility for their own mistakes. It's time to move on but they won't let it happen. It would mean they would actually have to admit to responsibility for their bad decision making. They also don't want to cater to the white working people in the Rust Belt to win back the votes they lost.

[FuzzyPlum]

Originally Posted by Jondalar

You do realize that nobody voted for Mike Pence and he would of never been elected anyway. You do realize that from day one the public has watched the media and Democrats openly conspire against Trump and try to discredit the election. (Now we are supposed to believe that this is just an honest investigation when you’ve been so obvious about the whole thing.)And you do realize that Democrats already stole the nomination and probably the presidency from Bernie Sanders and they don’t mind doing it again.

Oh and you do realize that Hillary Clinton was caught in lie after lie and nothing happened to her.

People who voted for Trump are just supposed to watch this happen.

People in the US vote for the ticket. You knew Pence would take over at some point if Trump didn't make the full term...and lets face it, at the outset there was always a significant chance Trump wouldn't have made it to the end of a full term. Your voters knew that.

Talk about stealing the presidency. Your Republican party knows all about that. Getting elected with millions less votes than the loser is a big steal. BTW- the election is over- you don't need to keep justifying things with references to Hillary Clinton. She old news. Move on.

[Dr.Brown]

Originally Posted by FuzzyPlum

...and lets face it, at the outset there was always a significant chance Trump wouldn't have made it to the end of a full term. Your voters knew that.

Wrong. This is only something his opponents wish, just like media pundits "knew" he would never be elected.

Originally Posted by FuzzyPlum

Talk about stealing the presidency. Your Republican party knows all about that. Getting elected with millions less votes than the loser is a big steal.

The electoral college which led to Pres. Trump's victory is part of the presidential election process, just as Democrat super-delegates are. Why did no one complain when Hillary received more Democratic primary votes but still lost to Obama in 2008?

Originally Posted by FuzzyPlum

BTW- the election is over- you don't need to keep justifying things with references to Hillary Clinton. She old news. Move on.

Because she would have been the alternative and many realize America really dodged a bullet there. The election is indeed over. It doesn't matter whether you think you're wrong or right, the reality is that Trump won. Move on.

[FuzzyPlum]

Originally Posted by Dr.Brown

It doesn't matter whether you think you're wrong or right, the reality is that Trump won. Move on.

He sure did and the whole world has got to live with it. It's not a better place though.

[becca]

Originally Posted by Jondalar

You do realize that from day one the public has watched the media and Democrats openly conspire against Trump and try to discredit the election. (Now we are supposed to believe that this is just an honest investigation when you’ve been so obvious about the whole thing.)

Er, Robert Mueller is a Republican and was appointed by Republicans. I know I know, "shut up Canadian."

[Dr.Brown]

Originally Posted by becca

Er, Robert Mueller is a Republican and was appointed by Republicans. I know I know, "shut up Canadian."

No, you don't have to "shut up" but realize that Mueller was appointed as director of the FBI by George Bush in 2001. Despite the Republican label, there is no love lost between Bush loyalists and Trump supporters who view Bush and his VP Cheney as globalists who in the wake of the 9/11 attacks were eager to start wars and further destabilize the Middle East while protecting their Saudi friends - this, despite the fact that 17 of 19 attackers were Saudi citizens. Bush/Cheney pivoted away from Saudi Arabia in order to take care of "unfinished business" left over from his father's term in office, getting rid of Saddam Hussein in Iraq.

Unfortunately, the destabilization campaign continued under Barack Obama and then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton who saw to it that Qaddafi was deposed/executed in Libya. The unstable regions then became recruiting hotbeds and a staging ground for Radical Islamic groups such as ISIS. Getting back to Mueller, he was fully on board the Bush agenda and also found favor with Pres. Obama who extended Mueller's term as FBI director. There are legitimate doubts as to Mueller's objectivity and no appeal to such can be made based on supposed party loyalty.

[Jondalar]

Originally Posted by becca

Er, Robert Mueller is a Republican and was appointed by Republicans. I know I know, "shut up Canadian."

The FBI hates Trump. Many Republicans hate Trump. One of the reasons Trump got elected was because a lot Democrats who voted for him never considered him a true Republican. He has been boxed in that role now because Democrats made it clear from day 1 they were his enemy. His voters understand what he has had to go through and are forgiving. The Deep State wants him gone.

I always voted Democratic until Trump. I’m so glad I did. I love my country and am totally embarrassed of the way Democrats have acted. Their behavior has made me an even bigger supporter of Trump. Trump puts American citizens first. The Democrats put everyone else first, including illegal aliens. There is nothing wrong with loving your country. Democrats want everyone to be ashamed.I cannot vote for the anti-American Democratic Party anymore. They don’t even respect the law, police or free speech anymore. Screw them. They’ve lost my vote.

I’m not a Republican or a Democrat. I’m a Trumpster who loves his country.

[Newzchspy]

so, @fuzzyplum , its OK for HRC to steal a nomination away from Mr. Free Sh*T Bernie Sanders?? It works both ways.

Understand, it's not the MOST votes numerically in the USA that wins elections, its the most votes in the Electoral College states that matter. CA & NY always go Demo anymore, so in our system of checks and balances, we have to temper NY, CA and other liberal bastions with the middle and its ALWAYS the middle that wins elections. Like it or not, that's the way it works.