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The gold records
Some of my favorite FM albums have not turned platinum or have been the least commercial successful.
1980 Live Album Heroes Are Hard To Find Mystery To Me Behind the Mask Say You Will Its interesting because albums like Penguin and Bare Trees turned platinum but Mystery To Me and Heroes never did come close. Why do you think that is? IMHO the band got better and better each album before Stevie and Lindsey and each album also charted better yet those are still not platinum. I did a little research for this thread and sales figures are all over the place because some of them count international sales. I apologize if my quick research is wrong. My favorite FM albums are the ones that sold 4 million or less and that would include Tusk, Mirage and the ones I mentioned already. I did not count the EP or other stuff prior to 1970. Tango which is the band's second biggest seller is one of my least favorite albums.
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I like Behind The Mask and even TIME as much as Tango. Tango is just too plastic for me. I love Mirage leaps and bounds more than Tango.
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Okay so, as of 2016, these were the sales figures for FM’s studio records:
1968 Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac - 1,600,000 1968 Mr. Wonderful - 1,100,000 1969 Then Play On - 2,000,000 1970 Kiln House - 800,000 1971 Future Games - 800,000 1972 Bare Trees - 1,850,000 1973 Penguin - 700,000 1973 Mystery To Me - 1,600,000 1974 Heroes Are Hard To Find - 1,300,000 1975 Fleetwood Mac - 9,400,000 1977 Rumours - 35,500,000 1979 Tusk - 6,600,000 1982 Mirage - 5,500,000 1987 Tango In The Night - 11,300,000 1990 Behind The Mask - 2,750,000 1995 Time - 150,000 2003 Say You Will - 1,600,000 It appears PENGUIN did not outsell MYSTERY or HEROES. Info found here: https://chartmasters.org/2016/10/csp...y-analysis/19/ Last edited by aleuzzi; 11-22-2022 at 08:00 PM.. |
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And one other source says, as of 2005, the US sales alone for LIVE (1981) and THE DANCE (1997) were:
Live Albums 1980 1981 Live - 500,000 1997 2000 The Dance - 5,000,000 - 4,400,000 I imagine they are higher now. https://www.ukmix.org/forum/chart-di...-sales-history |
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I read that when Fleetwood Mac came to the states, their albums sold a consistent 250,000 copies each. When the band got extremely successful, the early albums started to creep up in sales. Bare Trees was certified platinum in 1988 (maybe because of Sentimental Lady?). On other sites I saw Penguin also was platinum. But Mystery To Me, Future Games, and Heroes never got that status. Its strange that in today's internet age its hard to get official figures. For example you cant find sales figures for Chris's 1984 solo album. In 1984 it was not even gold and I wanted to find out if it ever achieved gold status. In the UK BTM was #1 and went platinum there so that clouds the sales figures in the USA on some sites.
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Compilations were big sellers, Greatest Hits and The Very Best Of also went platinum, I think. GH had new music.
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It's hard to believe that Mystery wasn't the biggest selling Welch era album, since it's generally accepted as a fantastic album, right up there with Rumours. While I like Bare Trees and Future Games, I've listened to Mystery 10 times as much as those two.
Hell, I've listened to Mystery more than Tango.
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Here is the wikipedia page I am quoting and if you click next to the sales figures, many of them are updated in 2022 and 2021 from official RIAA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleetwood_Mac_discography
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But can we believe ANY of the charts, because they all have different numbers.
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The official count for the USA is RIAA.I think Mick made that chart It under cuts Rumours sales while other sales are higher. Now here is another chart. It also lists BTM as platinum (which I never heard before) but increases SYW to over 800k . Mystery to Me and Future Games at 500k https://stevienicks.info/music/fleetwood-mac-albums/ I just cant believe Heroes Are Hard To Find sold over 1 million. Even though its one of my favorites, the songs get no airplay what so ever.
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And don't hate me for this, but I've not really listened to Heroes much, in my life. Or Penguin. Back in the day of when I was really getting into Mystery, Bare, and Future....I had those on cd. I only had Penguin and Heroes on vinyl. And I've never really been a big vinyl guy. So I never gave either much air time. Just sheer laziness on my part. But I digress. Heroes never set the world on fire. I doubt Bob would have left, if it had. No way did Heroes sell a million. Mick's own charts... indeed. I did buy the 5 disc release of the Welch albums, but was moving shortly after, and it's packed away somewhere.
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Its shocking to look back at Heroes being released in Sept 1974 and only a few months later Stevie and Lindsey join. They did that brilliant radio concert in December 1974 which was wonderful. Its sad we never got Mystery To Me and Heroes Are Hard To Find tours. Lots of drama killed any tours sadly Heroes is almost like a throw away album since its rarely even mentioned or played. You may hear a song from earlier albums but Heroes is like the step child which is ignored yet it was their first album to crack the top 40 with NO single and NO hits and NO airplay and NO tour. Go figure. Edit: Silly us. We overlooked the biggest clue and signal some of these albums have not received platinum status. Mick does not have any of them listed for sale He is selling the gold Bare Trees but is keeping the platinum one I guess Found this that could explain the multiple charts. It appears since 2016 RIAA started taking into account streaming and purchases. Prior it was shipments which is why some albums remain dead at 500k Cut and paste from RIAA site: RIAA certifications are based on wholesale shipments rather than retail sales. Since 2016, the RIAA album certification has also included on-demand audio/video streams (1,500 streams = 1 album unit) and track sale equivalent (10 track sales = 1 album unit).[2] Additionally, awards are only presented if and when a record company applies for certification. Therefore, the total certified units for a given artist may be incomplete or out of date. Long story short, we may never know the true answer. If the Mac's label has not filed for updated certification by now, it will never happen.
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