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Old 07-26-2021, 06:07 PM
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I'll bet you've got little Lindsey voodoo dolls.
I have no issues with Lindsey I just am totally indifferent to him and what he does. As a person he is scary, as a musician he is gifted, as a songwriter and singer he is annoying.

As for the topic of this thread, Bella Donna, I remain puzzled by its popularity. It is marred by dull production and backup, and lacks oomph overall. A number of the songs would have benefitted so much from richer production.
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It was him Fleetwood wanted, couldn’t have cared less about Stevie, he’s said it often enough…
Yeah she was about to throw in the towel and go back and finish her degree so her parents would support her again. She was not someone like Linda Ronstadt who had been somewhat known and respected for years and who was finally hitting stardom herself at that very moment. Outside of a few towns in Alabama she was virtually unknown . She got lucky and fell in with the right group of people at exactly the right time. It was all because Fleetwood Mac wanted Lindsey, recognizing his extraordinary guitar playing ability. Ungrateful shrew indeed.
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As for the topic of this thread, Bella Donna, I remain puzzled by its popularity. It is marred by dull production and backup, and lacks oomph overall. A number of the songs would have benefitted so much from richer production.
May I place a wager that you hate country music? Because songs like After the Glitter, and The Highwayman, are what take it to the next level. It's REAL. Not a bunch of synth pop CRAP like Stand Back. Or Talk To Me. Or I Can't Wait. Cheap pop fodder.
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May I place a wager that you hate country music? Because songs like After the Glitter, and The Highwayman, are what take it to the next level. It's REAL. Not a bunch of synth pop CRAP like Stand Back. Or Talk To Me. Or I Can't Wait. Cheap pop fodder.
No problem with country, I just find the production on BD tinny and cheap and makes Stevie sound ugly. Her fascination with Tom and the Heartbreakers ruined her music. I actually love Lindsey's big epic production on FM. I love listening and catching new twists and sounds.
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No problem with country, I just find the production on BD tinny and cheap and makes Stevie sound ugly. Her fascination with Tom and the Heartbreakers ruined her music. I actually love Lindsey's big epic production on FM. I love listening and catching new twists and sounds.
And Bella Donna is absolute ART to me. An American CLASSIC. It couldn't be any better.


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Well at least Mitzo and I agree upon one thing. Show Them The Way is a pile of steaming Dodo droppings.
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Christine would be a nobody if she hadn't played backup to Stevie.

Lindsey must've been a somebody because Mick asked about the guitarist in Frozen Love.
Nice try. Christine was already somebody before she accepted Stevie into the band. Had LB/SN not joined, she would have likely ended up with a modest reputation and quit the business by 1980. She received good notices in the press for her work on Bare Trees and Heroes. Posterity would have shown her to be one of the first women instrumentalists in a male-dominated field. However, if a Lindsey joined without Stevie, the band would have made some noise.
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Nice try. Christine was already somebody before she accepted Stevie into the band. Had LB/SN not joined, she would have likely ended up with a modest reputation and quit the business by 1980. She received good notices in the press for her work on Bare Trees and Heroes. Posterity would have shown her to be one of the first women instrumentalists in a male-dominated field. However, if a Lindsey joined without Stevie, the band would have made some noise.
I'm thinking/hoping Unwinded was being sarcastic. Christine rose and fell by the time 1974/5 rolled around. She did win awards in Great Britain. She could have been in her rockin chair Homeward Bound a few years after Welch departed, while Stevie waitressed at Norm's, Lindsey tried to sell BuckNicks2 to BubbleGum Records, and Mick and John became fisherman in the North Atlantic.
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And Bella Donna is absolute ART to me. An American CLASSIC. It couldn't be any better.


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Stevie was destined for stardom from the beginning. She has that indefinable quality that sets one apart from the pack. As John Stewart sang, Stevie is the blonde star in a Texas sky.

I think Bella Donna has some cool songs on it (I like them all, actually) and some great lead vocal work, too. (I think some of the outtake vocals are even better.) It’s a swell little package that was obviously a labor of love and care. It’s a statement of Stevie’s mystique. But I have to agree with Mitzo and Al when they criticize the lack of innovation in the arrangements. I mean, you kind of expect it because everything was tracked live by the band — and that’s why the playing sounds exactly the same from album to White Winged Dove tour. The guys were just doing exactly what they did in the studio, Nashville style. But when Bella Donna was released in 1981, Fleetwood Mac and Talking Heads (Remain in Light) and Brian Eno (My Life in the Bush of Ghosts) and Kraftwerk (Computer World) and Elvis Costello and Kate Bush (The Dreaming) and many other forward-looking composers had really pushed boundaries in the art of building tracks. Bella Donna is a bunch of session guys and notable guests doing journeyman work on the tracks, just supporting Stevie and the songs. I guess that’s a kind of success, too. After all, it’s a singer-songwriter album, not an Afrobeat album. But it has no more particular instrumental character than a Dan Fogelburg album of the time or a James Taylor album or an Andrew Gold album. Same is true of all her solo albums, really. There’s no particular thrill in listening to a track of hers with her vocal stripped out, for example. The tracks are just pie crust and Stevie fills it with cherry glaze, mmm. . . .

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Stevie desperately WANTED stardom from the beginning, and this colored (consciously and subconsciously) all the decisions she's made in her life. "I wanna be a star, I don't wanna be a cleaning lady". Did she want success so much because her grandfather did and didn't get it?? Maybe. Was she driven to succeed by her highly successful workaholic father?? Maybe. Her childhood moving around so much and having to fit in with new groups of people all the time gave her a need to be liked, and simultaneously a tendency to get bored with stability. So much of this aligned for her to be successful. But you don't just "get" famous... you WORK at it, and it was her life's mission.
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Stevie was the Alla Pugacheva of American pop.
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I'm thinking/hoping Unwinded was being sarcastic. Christine rose and fell by the time 1974/5 rolled around. She did win awards in Great Britain. She could have been in her rockin chair Homeward Bound a few years after Welch departed, while Stevie waitressed at Norm's, Lindsey tried to sell BuckNicks2 to BubbleGum Records, and Mick and John became fisherman in the North Atlantic.
Right on! What I meant by my sentence is that Stevie is and was the most famous person in Fleetwood Mac i.e. There are more people who know that Stevie is in Fleetwood Mac than people who know that Fleetwood is Mick Fleetwood and John McVie is Mac.

So Mick, Chris, John, and Lindsey played back up to Stevie if I'm to buy mitzo's philosophy.

However, Christine and Lindsey both had hits in FM so I guess Stevie played back up too
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She was paid by the government?
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I'm thinking/hoping Unwinded was being sarcastic. Christine rose and fell by the time 1974/5 rolled around. She did win awards in Great Britain. She could have been in her rockin chair Homeward Bound a few years after Welch departed, while Stevie waitressed at Norm's, Lindsey tried to sell BuckNicks2 to BubbleGum Records, and Mick and John became fisherman in the North Atlantic.
But wouldn’t it have depended on who replaced Welch? They might not have reached the commercial apex they did but they might have continued on and even made some sort of breakthrough. The fact that HEROES made it to 34 or 35 on the Billboard charts does indicate they were getting “there”—whatever there might end up being is anyone’s guess.
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