Buckingham blames “disoriented” Stevie Nicks for the lack of new Fleetwood Mac music - Page 13

vivfox · #**181** 12-19-2021, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

No offense, but is Stevie really your favorite artist of all time? Like Really? I want to know who is 2nd and 3rd to this braintrust.

Why would you find that so hard to believe when we've all been members of a FM board for all this time?

Stevie Nicks is MY favorite artist of all time. No I'm not happy at all that she got Lindsey fired from Fleetwood Mac and no I don't love every song she has ever released but yes, in so many ways she has enhanced my life for the better. I'm turning 60 in two months and since the age of 15 she has rocked my world. My 2nd fave of all time is Andy Williams and The Beatles come in 3rd.

HomerMcvie · #**182** 12-19-2021, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by vivfox

Why would you find that so hard to believe when we've all been members of a FM board for all this time?

Stevie Nicks is MY favorite artist of all time. No I'm not happy at all that she got Lindsey fired from Fleetwood Mac and no I don't love every song she has ever released but yes, in so many ways she has enhanced my life for the better. I'm turning 60 in two months and since the age of 15 she has rocked my world. My 2nd fave of all time is Andy Williams and The Beatles come in 3rd.

Well, I think there are basically two types of fans.
Fleetwood Mac fans.
Stevie Nicks fans.

Many Stevie fans proclaim to be both, but the band doesn't exist to them without her. Those people aren't really Fleetwood Mac fans, IMO.

vivfox · #**183** 12-19-2021, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Well, I think there are basically two types of fans.
Fleetwood Mac fans.
Stevie Nicks fans.

Many Stevie fans proclaim to be both, but the band doesn't exist to them without her. Those people aren't really Fleetwood Mac fans, IMO.

Loved Bekka's live version of GDW on the 1995 tour when I saw them live but I threw the Time album in the trash. I rarely listen to the SN fan coveted TISL album. Not happy with the majority of those songs. The demos of TISL were a billion times more enjoyable than the final release, IMHO.

HomerMcvie · #**184** 12-19-2021, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by vivfox

Loved Bekka's live version of GDW on the 1995 tour when I saw them live but I threw the Time album in the trash. I rarely listen to the SN fan coveted TISL album. Not happy with the majority of those songs. The demos of TISL were a billion times more enjoyable than the final release, IMHO.

Bekka is the best singer FM ever had. She is a powerhouse! It's a shame that lineup wasn't really given a chance to take off. I remember watching the concert, and people all around me were bitching incessantly about Stevie not being in the band. They did Dreaming The Dream, and Bekka won me over for life.

Old I'm Not The Boss really is a seat filler. And I'm not talking about after she eats a bag of White Castles. Although I'm sure mama can hold her own in that department...

**jbrownsjr** · #**185** 12-20-2021, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by vivfox

Why would you find that so hard to believe when we've all been members of a FM board for all this time?

Stevie Nicks is MY favorite artist of all time. No I'm not happy at all that she got Lindsey fired from Fleetwood Mac and no I don't love every song she has ever released but yes, in so many ways she has enhanced my life for the better. I'm turning 60 in two months and since the age of 15 she has rocked my world. My 2nd fave of all time is Andy Williams and The Beatles come in 3rd.

Of all the artists out there, Stevie Nicks isn't even on my radar. I think her career was made from having other artists help her.
I'm talking about actors, writers, painters, musicians, show runners, fashion designers, etc.

I adored Stevie when I was a child, but then again that was because of my love for Fleetwood Mac and the two amazing solo albums. But she's never been even close to my favorite of all time.
Christine McVie is top 5 of my musicians. Someone like Neil Peart or Lyle Mays might be my favorite artist of all time, and neither of them even sing. (but that changes with my moods, and eras of my life).

My comment to Unwinded was genuine. Must be disappointing to have someone you still adore ,AND your favorite turn out to be such an entitled, ego laden buffoon.

**jbrownsjr** · #**186** 12-20-2021, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by vivfox

Loved Bekka's live version of GDW on the 1995 tour when I saw them live but I threw the Time album in the trash. I rarely listen to the SN fan coveted TISL album. Not happy with the majority of those songs. The demos of TISL were a billion times more enjoyable than the final release, IMHO.

That is a very good GDW version. Agree with Homer, she's got lungs.

UnwindedDreams · #**187** 12-20-2021, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Many Stevie fans proclaim to be both, but the band doesn't exist to them without her. Those people aren't really Fleetwood Mac fans, IMO.

I would agree with that opinion up until 2018. If Stevie left FM today, it wouldn't be Fleetwood Mac because 2018 is when FM became her E Street Band or Silver Bullet Band. In 2021, Stevie Nicks is Fleetwood Mac like Chrissie Hynde is Pretenders.

If Finnwood Mike makes an album, then I'll call it FM.

UnwindedDreams · #**188** 12-20-2021, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

Of all the artists out there, Stevie Nicks isn't even on my radar. I think her career was made from having other artists help her.
I'm talking about actors, writers, painters, musicians, show runners, fashion designers, etc.

She's like a commercial conception nurtured by executives and producers, right? Like a Bieber, Madonna, or Celine Dion.

HomerMcvie · #**189** 12-20-2021, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

I would agree with that opinion up until 2018. If Stevie left FM today, it wouldn't be Fleetwood Mac because 2018 is when FM became her E Street Band or Silver Bullet Band. In 2021, Stevie Nicks is Fleetwood Mac like Chrissie Hynde is Pretenders.

If Finnwood Mike makes an album, then I'll call it FM.

Well, for the casual fan, $tevie (now) IS FM.

Throw back to the Time era, that lineup couldn't get past the specter of the Rumours 5.

I have accepted other lineups in the past(Time band), HOWEVER, Old I'm Not The Boss's power play, seizing control of the band, has forever ruined their legacy. Because it's no longer a BAND. It's now Stevie Nick's FM.
It's not even about Lindsey as much as it is her- seizing control.
F*ck her and her massive ego.

**jbrownsjr** · #**190** 12-20-2021, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

She's like a commercial conception nurtured by executives and producers, right? Like a Bieber, Madonna, or Celine Dion.

I used to consider her an artist. Now, she's just an IA seat filler that bellows really bad vocals.

elle · #**191** 12-20-2021, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

I would agree with that opinion up until 2018. If Stevie left FM today, it wouldn't be Fleetwood Mac because 2018 is when FM became her E Street Band or Silver Bullet Band. In 2021, Stevie Nicks is Fleetwood Mac like Chrissie Hynde is Pretenders.

i don't really understand this logic.

Bruce wrote/co-wrote all Bruce and E-street band songs.
Chrissie wrote/co-wrote all Pretenders songs.

or they had some covers, but not songs exclusively written by other band members. but they were/are the principal songwriters.

Stevie Nicks wrote or co-wrote less than one third of Fleetwood Mac hits, and about a third of their songs all together. how can FM be equal to these other bands?

SteveMacD · #**192** 12-20-2021, 01:52 PM

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Stevie Nicks wrote or co-wrote less than one third of Fleetwood Mac hits, and about a third of their songs all together. how can FM be equal to these other bands?

Especially since Christine wrote most of the band’s hits and she was still there.

The initial setlist of the 2018 tour featured a lot of songs from eras that didn’t involve Stevie as well as a few legendary songs from the new guys’ careers, which seems to further emphasize that Fleetwood Mac is the opposite of those bands.

**jbrownsjr** · #**193** 12-20-2021, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Especially since Christine wrote most of the band’s hits and she was still there.

The initial setlist of the 2018 tour featured a lot of songs from eras that didn’t involve Stevie as well as a few legendary songs from the new guys’ careers, which seems to further emphasize that Fleetwood Mac is the opposite of those bands.

I just read an article from 2020 relating to Christine's contributions.

https://jeremyhelligar.medium.com/ch...e-fadd4f03b217

SteveMacD · #**194** 12-20-2021, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

I just read an article from 2020 relating to Christine's contributions.

https://jeremyhelligar.medium.com/ch...e-fadd4f03b217

Interesting, but am I the only one who gets annoyed when they refer to 1970-74 as “bluesy?” Like, have they actually listened to those records? Do they know what blues music is and sounds like?

UnwindedDreams · #**195** 12-20-2021, 02:51 PM

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as well as a few legendary songs from the new guys’ careers

Why do you think they didn't play any original Stevie solo songs or any Chris solo songs?

Surprised there's no live album from this tour.