Christine McVie Documentary 1984 - Page 3

WalkAThinLine. · #31 12-22-2024, 06:23 PM

The entire video can now be viewed here:

https://archive.org/details/full-chr...84-documentary

Nathan · #32 12-23-2024, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by WalkAThinLine.

The entire video can now be viewed here:

https://archive.org/details/full-chr...84-documentary

Thank you!

**jbrownsjr** · #33 12-24-2024, 12:37 PM

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It was Lindsey’s idea. Lindsey had a grandiose vision for the tour which really came to fruition on his 1993 tour.

The article I remember reading... was from Mick. Something about, we were going to get another guitarist anyway. I didn't know it was LB's idea, but that makes sense. The article was after LB quit.

bombaysaffires · #34 12-24-2024, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by WalkAThinLine.

The entire video can now be viewed here:

https://archive.org/details/full-chr...84-documentary

boy that brings back memories! thanks for sharing!

Villavic · #35 12-30-2024, 07:13 AM

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It was Lindsey’s idea. Lindsey had a grandiose vision for the tour which really came to fruition on his 1993 tour.

I don't know if I misunderstand this. Did you mean the 1987 tour? Or which one? Cause I've read he didn't want to go on the road after recording Tango. Then he was convinced to do it for few weeks, and then he announced he was leaving the band. I don't think he was excited with great ideas for a tour that he didn't want to be on.

**jbrownsjr** · #36 12-30-2024, 12:57 PM

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I don't know if I misunderstand this. Did you mean the 1987 tour? Or which one? Cause I've read he didn't want to go on the road after recording Tango. Then he was convinced to do it for few weeks, and then he announced he was leaving the band. I don't think he was excited with great ideas for a tour that he didn't want to be on.

1987 tour. Mick made a comment that they were gonna have 2 guitarists anyway. They did have Ray Lindsey during previous tours. But, I think this felt more official.

David · #37 12-31-2024, 02:00 PM

This idea that two guitarists were needed specifically to replace Lindsey in 1987 (or 2018) has got out of hand. Fleetwood Mac only ever needed one superb guitarist at a time, no matter which configuration. There were times they had two (Peter and Danny, for example). But they only ever needed one.

In 1987, for the tour, Billy just didn’t have the chops for lead guitarist for Fleetwood Mac, so Rick was hired. Billy was part of the team because of his songwriting and singing — he was a much better songwriter than Rick, and he was a great lead and harmony singer. So Mac became a six-piece. Same thing happened in 2018: Neil wasn’t in Mike Campbell’s class as a lead guitarist. Mike was world class. They were both good songwriters, but Neil probably had the edge in that department. So the band was back to being a six-piece*.

*You can’t count the hired hands in the back line as band members. Mac had hired hands when they played out live going back to the Bob Welch days. They don’t count as members.

**jbrownsjr** · #38 01-02-2025, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by David

This idea that two guitarists were needed specifically to replace Lindsey in 1987 (or 2018) has got out of hand. Fleetwood Mac only ever needed one superb guitarist at a time, no matter which configuration. There were times they had two (Peter and Danny, for example). But they only ever needed one.

In 1987, for the tour, Billy just didn’t have the chops for lead guitarist for Fleetwood Mac, so Rick was hired. Billy was part of the team because of his songwriting and singing — he was a much better songwriter than Rick, and he was a great lead and harmony singer. So Mac became a six-piece. Same thing happened in 2018: Neil wasn’t in Mike Campbell’s class as a lead guitarist. Mike was world class. They were both good songwriters, but Neil probably had the edge in that department. So the band was back to being a six-piece*.

*You can’t count the hired hands in the back line as band members. Mac had hired hands when they played out live going back to the Bob Welch days. They don’t count as members.

Agree with all this. Also add that Mike doesn't really sing either. So they needed another vocalist.

bombaysaffires · #39 01-02-2025, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by David

This idea that two guitarists were needed specifically to replace Lindsey in 1987 (or 2018) has got out of hand. Fleetwood Mac only ever needed one superb guitarist at a time, no matter which configuration. There were times they had two (Peter and Danny, for example). But they only ever needed one.

In 1987, for the tour, Billy just didn’t have the chops for lead guitarist for Fleetwood Mac, so Rick was hired. Billy was part of the team because of his songwriting and singing — he was a much better songwriter than Rick, and he was a great lead and harmony singer. So Mac became a six-piece. Same thing happened in 2018: Neil wasn’t in Mike Campbell’s class as a lead guitarist. Mike was world class. They were both good songwriters, but Neil probably had the edge in that department. So the band was back to being a six-piece*.

*You can’t count the hired hands in the back line as band members. Mac had hired hands when they played out live going back to the Bob Welch days. They don’t count as members.

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Agree with all this. Also add that Mike doesn't really sing either. So they needed another vocalist.

all of which supports that the band always DID need two people to replace Lindsey in order to cover ALL the skills he brought to the lineup. Sure, you can find another guitar player who has the same or even better chops, but can that guy sing and harmonize as well? Sure, you can find a male singer who can sing well ( and can also do so in Lindsey's higher register on his songs), AND who can harmonize so beautifully with Stevie and Christine, but is that guy also a virtuoso lead guitarist? Each time the band found it not possible to find ONE person who met both sets of criteria. So sure there are guitarists who could replace him and there are singers who could replace him, but his role in the band has been to be BOTH of those things in the same package......and that makes him much more of a unicorn... which the band discovered as they tried to find all his talents in just ONE other person who could take his place.

So yeah, maybe they didn't need two GUITARISTS to replace him and play his parts, but they have consistently needed two PEOPLE to cover all his roles in the band-- lead guitarist AND lead singer AND harmony singer. And we haven't even discussed his role as a songwriter, nor his role as arranger/producer.

So it does take two people to replace him, in the real world....which both of you actually have made the case for.

Villavic · #40 01-03-2025, 08:03 AM

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but they have consistently needed two PEOPLE to cover all his roles in the band-- lead guitarist AND lead singer AND harmony singer. And we haven't even discussed his role as a songwriter, nor his role as arranger/producer.

Makes sense in th 1987 episode. In 2018, they didn't need a songwriter/arranger/producer.

I guess there were lot of lead guitarists and lead singers. But they (Mick) were looking for famous guys. This greatly reduced the chances of finding one with both roles (although not impossible).

SteveMacD · #41 01-04-2025, 06:33 PM

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all of which supports that the band always DID need two people to replace Lindsey in order to cover ALL the skills he brought to the lineup. Sure, you can find another guitar player who has the same or even better chops, but can that guy sing and harmonize as well? Sure, you can find a male singer who can sing well ( and can also do so in Lindsey's higher register on his songs), AND who can harmonize so beautifully with Stevie and Christine, but is that guy also a virtuoso lead guitarist?

Peter Frampton or Keith Urban come to mind.