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[FuzzyPlum]

NY Times op-ed
Current betting:

Mike Pence 2-3
Betsey DeVos 2-1
Jeff Sessions 5-2
Mike Pompeo, Steve Mnuchin, John Kelly, James Mattis 4-1
Nikki Haley 10-1
Javanka 15-1

[Jondalar]

Originally Posted by FuzzyPlum

NY Times op-ed
Current betting:

Mike Pence 2-3
Betsey DeVos 2-1
Jeff Sessions 5-2
Mike Pompeo, Steve Mnuchin, John Kelly, James Mattis 4-1
Nikki Haley 10-1
Javanka 15-1

Another anonymous source? My bet is they wrote it themselves to cause chaos since the mainstream media is just another branch of the Democratic Party. Hell they barely try to hide it anymore.

[FuzzyPlum]

Donald Trump; the World responds- Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

[Jondalar]

I’m sooo happy I voted for Donald Trump. Look at what the Democrats have become - guilty until proven innocent! They don’t even believe in Free Speech either. More and more people are jumping on the Trump Train everyday because they see what the Democrats have become.

[JohnL]

Originally Posted by Jondalar

I’m sooo happy I voted for Donald Trump. Look at what the Democrats have become - guilty until proven innocent! They don’t even believe in Free Speech either. More and more people are jumping on the Trump Train everyday because they see what the Democrats have become.

And Republicans have become the party that just wants to degrade anyone who isnt a white Anglo-Saxon male. They have crucified Dr. Ford in the media and refuse to even acknowledge the possibility that what she is saying is true. Which, I believe, is true. Kavanaugh was spiteful and argumentative and lied about how he got into Yale in the first place. He does not belong on the Supreme Court. Bottom line is politicians suck these days more than ever. And now even the Supreme Court is lining up along party lines. It is sickening.

[Jondalar]

Originally Posted by JohnL

And Republicans have become the party that just wants to degrade anyone who isnt a white Anglo-Saxon male. They have crucified Dr. Ford in the media and refuse to even acknowledge the possibility that what she is saying is true. Which, I believe, is true. Kavanaugh was spiteful and argumentative and lied about how he got into Yale in the first place. He does not belong on the Supreme Court. Bottom line is politicians suck these days more than ever. And now even the Supreme Court is lining up along party lines. It is sickening.

Degrade! Spiteful and argumentative? If someone was telling lies about you and trying to ruin your life are you supposed to act happy? White Anglo Saxon male? Give me a break! She came up with a story and none of her so called witnesses can even corroborate it. There are huge holes in her story because it never happened. It’s a fake outrage ****tt show. She is just trying to delay.

Whenever someone starts talking about white Anglo Saxon males, it’s pretty easy to tell they been brainwashed washed by CNN and women studies Unbelievable and you’re probably a white male.

[SisterNightroad]

I've just seen this and I don't know where to share it so I'll just put it here:

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by SisterNightroad

I've just seen this and I don't know where to share it so I'll just put it here:

It's already been posted in Rumours. Favorite album covers.

[AnthonyMI]

That song was a hair better than Show Them The Way. I dunno why her producer can’t get better material out of her anymore. She had such a way with melody and words. Maybe it was the drugs. Maybe it was Lindsey or some other person inspiring her. This…it’s not how she should go out. I hope there’s another Vault album in her.


Also, I find it sad, in a Miss Havishan way, that the reason she is a old spinster with no loves in her life but a collection of old Klingons like Waddy and Sharon, is exactly because she chose to kill her children with _________ and ______ and ________ (fill in the blank). She’s got her money and gory years and stories I’ll give her that. But as I’ve grown older I understand more and more that it’s not about money and fame and fortune. It’s about the people that you leave behind to remember you. Maybe many future generations will remember her, but I don’t think anyone will owe their very existence to her, unless there is a hidden love child out there she adopted out like Joni Mitchell. Had she chosen, even once, to raise one of her children, JUST ONE, perhaps she would have got off the drugs sooner and not been so selfish about her fame. Maybe she would have been able to balance work and love for a child. I feel like seeing her now, in the winter of her life, alone, (I mean. Living with Waddy and Sharon who are basically Skeletor Vampriress and an Undead Zombie) …Is a warning to not squander youth and chances at a full life.

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by AnthonyMI

That song was a hair better than Show Them The Way. I dunno why her producer can’t get better material out of her anymore. She had such a way with melody and words. Maybe it was the drugs. Maybe it was Lindsey or some other person inspiring her. This…it’s not how she should go out. I hope there’s another Vault album in her.


Also, I find it sad, in a Miss Havishan way, that the reason she is a old spinster with no loves in her life but a collection of old Klingons like Waddy and Sharon, is exactly because she chose to kill her children with _________ and ______ and ________ (fill in the blank). She’s got her money and gory years and stories I’ll give her that. But as I’ve grown older I understand more and more that it’s not about money and fame and fortune. It’s about the people that you leave behind to remember you. Maybe many future generations will remember her, but I don’t think anyone will owe their very existence to her, unless there is a hidden love child out there she adopted out like Joni Mitchell. Had she chosen, even once, to raise one of her children, JUST ONE, perhaps she would have got off the drugs sooner and not been so selfish about her fame. Maybe she would have been able to balance work and love for a child. I feel like seeing her now, in the winter of her life, alone, (I mean. Living with Waddy and Sharon who are basically Skeletor Vampriress and an Undead Zombie) …Is a warning to not squander youth and chances at a full life.

And maybe she wouldn't have (my bet) and that kid would have been (take your pick): born addicted, neglected while mommy focused on her career (who raised Loretta Lynn's kids? NOT her), injured while mommy was passed out in one of the "near-overdoses on the road" as described by Paul Fishkin, would have become addicted themselves, would have been left with inappropriate caregivers, etc etc etc......

Stevie has never been able to balance her love for a grown MAN and her work...she was NOT going to ever find that balance with a child.

I think it turned out best for her CHILD all the way around.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

Stevie has never been able to balance her love for a grown MAN and her work...she was NOT going to ever find that balance with a child.

I think it turned out best for her CHILD all the way around.

Agreed. She would have never been a good mother. She's STEVIE, 24/7.

[HomerMcvie]

People follow her blindly.

Abortion is such a hot button issue for so many people, that I think it's good that people know that she's not perfect, because,

People follow her blindly.

[AnthonyMI]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

And maybe she wouldn't have (my bet) and that kid would have been (take your pick): born addicted, neglected while mommy focused on her career (who raised Loretta Lynn's kids? NOT her), injured while mommy was passed out in one of the "near-overdoses on the road" as described by Paul Fishkin, would have become addicted themselves, would have been left with inappropriate caregivers, etc etc etc......

Stevie has never been able to balance her love for a grown MAN and her work...she was NOT going to ever find that balance with a child.

I think it turned out best for her CHILD all the way around.

I think that’s what I mean. She is the ultimate victim of her choices. Not (just?) the dead children. And yes, her kids could have easily been Addicts and messed up beyond comprehension just like most Celebrities kids. Or they could have ended up like Jakob Dylan. Or the next Wilson Phillips. Or Lindsey’s.

What’s even more sad is she DID had some years in her 40s that she COULD have made things work to have love and family. She COULD have decided to have kids even in her late 40s before The Dance. when Lindsey has kids at 47-48, she could have focused on that instead of her Career, again, still ghad Fleetwood Mac, and still been a Gazillionaire. But. She’s selfish. And blames everyone but herself. Big Mean Lindsey had a family, love, and balanced Fleetwood Mac and a (not quite as successfully, but far more prolific in later years) solo career post The Dance. She didn’t have to be Miss Havishan. She ended up there. Nowadays instead of reflecting on her mistakes she’s harping on being able to do it all over again. I support her choice to choose. But it is tiresome to listen to her now be sad about it and act so jealousy toward Lindsey AND look at her Yes Men posse of Klingons that live off her.

[AnthonyMI]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

People follow her blindly.

Abortion is such a hot button issue for so many people, that I think it's good that people know that she's not perfect, because,

People follow her blindly.

yes.

And.

And I think more youths are waking up to not just following blindly but seeing how people ended up years down the road. Now that we are a generation or two removed from the Sexual Revolution and the 1970’s things are becoming evident there are long term consequences . maybe instead of seeing Stevie and thinking “golly, if I choose to have sex drugs and rock and roll lifestyle and live life hard and fast and give up family I can end up an old crusty hag alone surrounded by my bags of money!! OR, I can chose family and love and balanced life and give up a few things”.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by AnthonyMI

yes.

And.

And I think more youths are waking up to not just following blindly but seeing how people ended up years down the road. Now that we are a generation or two removed from the Sexual Revolution and the 1970’s things are becoming evident there are long term consequences . maybe instead of seeing Stevie and thinking “golly, if I choose to have sex drugs and rock and roll lifestyle and live life hard and fast and give up family I can end up an old crusty hag alone surrounded by my bags of money!! OR, I can chose family and love and balanced life and give up a few things”.

Perfect response. Thank you.