Abortion - Page 3

becca · #31 01-02-2015, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jondalar

The bottom line is Stevie chose to have an abortion and she had the last word. Pretty smart lady. Very responsible decision making even if her previous behavior was reckless and irresponsible.

No. Many times not smart, and many times not responsible. The opposite of what was done does not get equal time with what has actually gone on. You can still admire her music without having to rewrite history or deny reality.

becca · #32 01-02-2015, 04:30 PM

Just on the Ledge it's been brought up many times...

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=44669

"the memory of four abortions" in the first line of this thread.

P.S. The number of seven has appeared in a couple of published books, but in the past when mentioned people have discounted them for reasons of the publisher or author being bad somehow in an 'everyone knows' fashion where i just had to take peoples' word for that. But then I thought 'everyone knew' there were multiple abortions.

Jondalar · #33 01-02-2015, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by becca

No. Many times not smart, and many times not responsible. The opposite of what was done does not get equal time with what has actually gone on. You can still admire her music without having to rewrite history or deny reality.

It was smart and responsible to have abortion. She had no business giving birth with that lifestyle and she knew it. Many people have no business having children but they have been made to feel guilty. Many of those kids aren't given up for adoption but r raised by the screwed up parent. That is one reason why there are so many unhappy screwed up kids in the world.

becca · #34 01-02-2015, 10:22 PM

Smart is learning, not retreating to the self-aggrandizing fairytale and poetry trappings, that's like believing in your own hype which seems to lead these careerists astray quite often. Abortion is an extreme solution for the body and everyone else involved really. I know one of the fathers wanted one of them and is haunted still. Two or three months off would've cost her so much each time? Then to go on about wanting to be a mother and adopting later?

1992 Vox magazine interview...

She put her relationship with her fans before a relationship with one man.
Ever since she saw Janis Joplin perform, she wanted to emulate her, to achieve
that state of communion with the crowd. "I just wanted to be in love with my
audience and I wanted them to be in love with me back."
But now there is remorse at the havoc her abortions have wreaked on her
psyche. "To give up four (babies) is to give up a lot that would be here now.
So that really bothers me, a lot, and really breaks my heart. But they're gone,
so..." she composes herself. "But I couldn't because I was too busy. And I had
all these commitments." She wants to adopt, but age and single-parenthood are
against her.

Bad choices galore.

Miscarriage, abortion... maybe you either have a basic revulsion and shock towards it or not. I get extremely angry with people who want to stigmatize birth control or make it inaccessible, that totally blows my mind in terms of logic, especially when most of those people profess a horror of abortion. Because I value human life highly I would hand out the stuff like candy!

estranged4life · #35 01-03-2015, 02:51 AM

with a human it is an abortion but with a chicken it is an omelet...

secret love · #36 01-03-2015, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by estranged4life

with a human it is an abortion but with a chicken it is an omelet...

After high school, I have been studying nursing. Part of that was Human Anatomy and Physiology and for the reproductive system topic, the teacher referred to miscarriages as spontaneous abortions and noted that most sexually active women will have had a miscarriage at some point, even if they are unaware of it, because it happens very early on before the zygote has fully developed into a blastocyst, or shortly after the blastocyst has formed.

PenguinHead · #37 01-03-2015, 03:06 AM

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with a human it is an abortion but with a chicken it is an omelet...

A perfect analogy!

I don't eat animals or dairy/eggs, but I don't judge anyone who does. I'm not lamenting the little chickling that wasn't.

~*BellaDonna*~ · #38 04-19-2016, 12:59 PM

Oy vey. Can't we just leave this topic alone?

FuzzyPlum · #39 04-19-2016, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ~*BellaDonna*~

Oy vey. Can't we just leave this topic alone?

So why did you just bring it up???

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Originally Posted by Jondalar

It was smart and responsible to have abortion. She had no business giving birth with that lifestyle and she knew it. Many people have no business having children but they have been made to feel guilty. Many of those kids aren't given up for adoption but r raised by the screwed up parent. That is one reason why there are so many unhappy screwed up kids in the world.

Absolutely. I agree.

~*BellaDonna*~ · #40 04-19-2016, 01:12 PM

I was just looking thru old threads and saw it's been talked about quite a bit. So I tossed in my $00.2 but now realize that was dumb. My apologies. I didn't even realize that by saying that I accidentally brought it up. I admit that it was VERY stupid of me and I am very sorry for that. I take complete responibilty for my comment.

welcomechris · #41 04-19-2016, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ~*BellaDonna*~

I was just looking thru old threads and saw it's been talked about quite a bit. So I tossed in my $00.2 but now realize that was dumb. My apologies. I didn't even realize that by saying that I accidentally brought it up. I admit that it was VERY stupid of me and I am very sorry for that. I take complete responibilty for my comment.

Don't be sorry. This is a messaging board. You're entitled to share your opinion, even on controversial subjects.

Unless the moderator said specifically not to talk about this, why should you be sorry?

Nobody on this board is better than anyone else. If you don't like the subject, Don't say anything

~*BellaDonna*~ · #42 04-20-2016, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by welcomechris

Don't be sorry. This is a messaging board. You're entitled to share your opinion, even on controversial subjects.

Unless the moderator said specifically not to talk about this, why should you be sorry?

Nobody on this board is better than anyone else. If you don't like the subject, Don't say anything

Well, I wish I had kept my mouth shut on that matter, you know? Anyway, you are absolutely right - I don't have to be sorry! However, I will be a bit more careful from now on.

FuzzyPlum · #43 04-20-2016, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ~*BellaDonna*~

Well, I wish I had kept my mouth shut on that matter, you know? Anyway, you are absolutely right - I don't have to be sorry! However, I will be a bit more careful from now on.

Hey, please don't take offence- I know it's a very emotive subject. It just seemed a bit bizarre to me to bring up a thread that had been dormant for 50 days, only to ask if we can we not talk about it. No need to apologise though.

~*BellaDonna*~ · #44 04-20-2016, 03:54 PM

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Hey, please don't take offence- I know it's a very emotive subject. It just seemed a bit bizarre to me to bring up a thread that had been dormant for 50 days, only to ask if we can we not talk about it. No need to apologise though.

No offence taken at all. I thought I had to apologise for my, uh, accidental stupidity in commenting a dormant thread and ask that we leave it alone and upon my own reflection I realize that it was not very smart and I own that. But as you and another member said, I don't have to be sorry. And you two are right, I don't. As I said before I am going to be a lot more careful with my future comments on sensitive threads/topics. I really have to remember that old 'think before you speak' rule.

Again, I take absolutely take *no* offence in what you said, FuzzyPlum. Nice to meet you, by the way.