Come Out To Play

[macfan 57]

Originally Posted by Gailh

Come out to play - I've never really looked at him in that way before but I may just ravish him on the spot! (see Anything is possible)

Gail

I'm still not convinced that "Come Out To Play" is about the "mystery man". My hunch is that it's about someone else.

[aleuzzi]

Originally Posted by macfan 57

I'm still not convinced that "Come Out To Play" is about the "mystery man". My hunch is that it's about someone else.

I know it sounds awful, but I could care less about the backstory. McVie was never a lyricist to be reckoned with. But she writes and sings great tunes, ones I can listen to again and again--Come Out to Play is one of them.

For what it's worth, I think the reason it wasn't included on ITM is because McVie once said something about only get royalties on 12 songs per record...anyone else ever hear/read this?

[macfan 57]

Originally Posted by aleuzzi

For what it's worth, I think the reason it wasn't included on ITM is because McVie once said something about only get royalties on 12 songs per record...anyone else ever hear/read this?

I've never heard this from Chris or anyone else. Where did you hear this?

[Ulpian]

Originally Posted by macfan 57

I've never heard this from Chris or anyone else. Where did you hear this?

Lindsey said it on the DR doc. I think the thing is that you can only be paid royalties up to a point -- so if you jam 18 songs on a record you won't be paid for the extra six.

Personally I don't think Christine is bothered about the financial side or royalties from ITM. She didn't do it for the money, so I think she just decided Come Out To Play didn't fit either lyrically or musically.

[macfan 57]

Originally Posted by Ulpian

Lindsey said it on the DR doc. I think the thing is that you can only be paid royalties up to a point -- so if you jam 18 songs on a record you won't be paid for the extra six.

Personally I don't think Christine is bothered about the financial side or royalties from ITM. She didn't do it for the money, so I think she just decided Come Out To Play didn't fit either lyrically or musically.

Well you learn something new every day. I'd never heard that before. I agree that royalties had nothing to do with why "Come Out To Play" didn't make the final release. I wonder how it wound up on a promo CD instead.

[Gailh]

Originally Posted by macfan 57

I'm still not convinced that "Come Out To Play" is about the "mystery man". My hunch is that it's about someone else.

I agree about that. That's why I can't see where it would go on ITM

It might not be about anyone.

Your suggestion of it being a "bonus" track is the best I think

Gail

[nicepace]

I'm certain that the idea that a musician only gets paid royalties for 12 songs per album is wrong. Otherwise, you'd NEVER get an album with more than 12 songs. (Which might not be a bad thing -- in the age of CDs, there are a lot of albums out there that are too long.)

I find it very interesting that the actual promo CD from whence "COTP" originated has a very different running order. Starting with "Anything is Possible" seems like an odd choice. But if that's the way I had heard it from the beginning, it wouldn't seem that way to me, I suppose.

I do have to agree that Christine isn't the most creative lyricist in the world, but you don't have to write "poetic" or "deep" lyrics to be a great songwriter. Her songs describe in simple, readily understandable terms the emotional landscape -- usually in romantic relationships, but sometimes addressing other subjects such as friendship, homesickness, etc. I think she's extremely under-rated as a songwriter, even among Fleetwood Mac fans. I far prefer her songs to songs that *sound* poetic, but you can't decipher what they're about.

I love Gail's little capsule descriptions of what the songs are about and how they tell the story. And I completely agree with Aisling's running order. I was already planning on putting "COTP" after "Anything Is Possible." But I also like the idea of moving "Bad Journey" to after "Anything Is Possible" and "COTP." Thanks, Aisling, for the suggestion.

[aleuzzi]

Originally Posted by nicepace

I do have to agree that Christine isn't the most creative lyricist in the world, but you don't have to write "poetic" or "deep" lyrics to be a great songwriter.

Yep. That's what I was saying.

[Gailh]

Originally Posted by nicepace

I do have to agree that Christine isn't the most creative lyricist in the world, but you don't have to write "poetic" or "deep" lyrics to be a great songwriter.

Christine has described herself as a "pretty basic love song writer"

I think she sells herself short. She writes great pop songs for grown ups.

Gail

PS did you see her getting her Oscar the other night? Oh no wait a minute that was her lookalike Helen Mirren

[macfan 57]

Originally Posted by Gailh

PS did you see her getting her Oscar the other night? Oh no wait a minute that was her lookalike Helen Mirren

That's exactly what I was thinking too. They could almost be sisters. They're both such classy, regal ladies.

By the way, Helen is actually 2 years younger than Chris.

Here's "Helen" picking up an award a few years ago.

[aleuzzi]

Originally Posted by macfan 57

That's exactly what I was thinking too. They could almost be sisters. They're both such classy, regal ladies.

By the way, Helen is actually 2 years younger than Chris.

Here's "Helen" picking up an award a few years ago.

omg, I thought the exact same thing...

[Gailh]

Originally Posted by macfan 57

That's exactly what I was thinking too. They could almost be sisters. They're both such classy, regal ladies.

By the way, Helen is actually 2 years younger than Chris.

Here's "Helen" picking up an award a few years ago.

Yes I wondered why Helen Mirren was picking up an award for Rumours

Actually perhaps they are the same person. I mean has anyone ever seen them in the same room together?

Gail

[aleuzzi]

Originally Posted by Gailh

Yes I wondered why Helen Mirren was picking up an award for Rumours

Actually perhaps they are the same person. I mean has anyone ever seen them in the same room together?

Gail

And when she brought her purse up to the stage! I could imagine Chris doing something hilarious like that....

[goldustsongbird]

Originally Posted by Gailh

Actually perhaps they are the same person. I mean has anyone ever seen them in the same room together?

Gail

I do believe you're on to something!

[Gailh]

Originally Posted by goldustsongbird

I do believe you're on to something!

Yes I think I could be.

didn't Helen Mirren once say when collecting an award that her greatest achivement was not going "arse over tit" walking up the stairs

Mouth like a sewer? Where have we heard that before?

Gail