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Old 03-12-2022, 01:46 PM
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Hadn't read this before and also hadn't really paid much attention to the 18-19 band, although it goes without saying Mike and Neil are both talented musicians, both are not a fit for Fleetwood Mac, entirely different league altogether. Stevie did come close to creativity for In Your Dreams, which did feature some good material, which was dragged down by a lack of awareness around less is more, which in 2022 makes it a drag to get through. A tightly arranged, well performed tune such as 24 K is what makes a great song and that approach would give us a great album. I agree with Steve that her truly great period was '73-83 and capped off with some amazing vocals on the Wild Heart and Mirage. After that, it wasn't until Rooms On Fire and Ooh My Love that we would see a glimpse of the Stevie of yore, but the album too, was dragged down by too many meh tracks and outright duds. Her other huge weakness is cover songs- her charm and appeal is in her own material, she is not a great interpreter of other's material. On a positive note, she is arguably the very best harmony and background singer who is still alive, in the business.
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To say Stevie had ten years of consistently good-great songwriting is accurate. It’s also more than many musicians/singers/songwriters could hope for. Since 1985, each of her projects usually offers one or two fine songs, such as “Blue Denim” on STREET ANGEL or “Throw Down” and “Everybody Finds Out” on SYW. Again, in this regard, she has persisted more successfully than many of her peers of that era. Recording “lost” tunes like “Lady” and “Lady of the Mountain” has worked for her, too. She remains remarkably marketable.

But as a songwriter she has been fallow for at least two decades. Her last batch of (then) new-newish songs was on SYW. After that, it’s been more excavation than genuine expression. Her dismissal of the BuckVie project was thinly-veiled jealousy and outright fear cloaked as greed.
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Old 03-13-2022, 08:10 AM
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Her dismissal of the BuckVie project was thinly-veiled jealousy and outright fear cloaked as greed.
She told Sheryl Crow and Ellen that artists make albums because "you're financially able to" and because you're with the right group of people or something.

I would've thought that given evil Lindsey was gone. She would've jumped into making an album with Mike and Neil.

Mike thought they were going to do an album when he was offered the job by Mick.

But Stevie wants to play her classics alone on open fields for fifty thousand people this summer.
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Old 03-13-2022, 10:37 AM
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Lindsey said in recent interviews that he sent her tracks so she could write songs too. He said he had done it in the past but she didn't seem interested.

For someone who feels these are her last youthful years, she is letting them go by quickly. Take the help.
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I don’t think anyone is involved in Fleetwood Mac at this point.


Nathan Apodaca is their most active creative member.
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Old 03-13-2022, 10:03 PM
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She told Sheryl Crow and Ellen that artists make albums because "you're financially able to" and because you're with the right group of people or something.

I would've thought that given evil Lindsey was gone. She would've jumped into making an album with Mike and Neil.

Mike thought they were going to do an album when he was offered the job by Mick.

But Stevie wants to play her classics alone on open fields for fifty thousand people this summer.
A heritage act. A lucrative heritage act. Not knocking it, but respect ongoing creative vision more.
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Old 03-14-2022, 06:34 PM
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A heritage act. A lucrative heritage act. Not knocking it, but respect ongoing creative vision more.
She didn't chart Top 3 with her last 2 records and Show Them the Way didn't chart at all so she probably doesn't want to release new music anymore unless it's a duet with a bigger star: Miley, Maroon 5, Elton, or Harry.
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I'll go even further and say Stevie only had a decade of consistently great songs (1973-83). After that, it was hit or miss.


Be that as it may, the others have backlogs of *completed* songs. Neil alone probably has a few albums worth of unreleased songs.

Stevie's record with Mike is a little spotty. There have been some great songs (Blue Denim), mediocre songs (Freedom), and some terrible songs (Desert Angel).

The biggest issue I see with Stevie is that she insists that songs be recorded just like her demos, which is a crappy way to go about being in a band, especially one full of critically acclaimed musicians. The collaborative spirit in the making of an album is half the reason to be in a band.
and if you listen to her demos of songs like Silver Springs, it is NOTHING remotely as good as the finished produced version. Same for Dreams (though we've never actually heard her demo she says she wrote on her little electric keyboard in Sly Stone's bed) and Rhiannon was a bit thin with the same verse repeated and no chorus. So her best songs are her best songs because the band, and especially Lindsey, PRODUCED them ie turned them from some nice raw ideas into actual songs that could get played on the radio. She's on drugs if she thinks her raw demos would have made her famous. People like them now because they're neat "behind the curtain" peeks at her creative process, and because she's STEVIE NICKS. She would not, however, have become STEVIE NICKS off of those demos themselves. She might have had a small cult following, but that's it. (Same can be said for the work people like Jimmy, Belmont, Roy and the rest put into her solo stuff).
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So her best songs are her best songs because the band, and especially Lindsey, PRODUCED them ie turned them from some nice raw ideas into actual songs that could get played on the radio. She's on drugs if she thinks her raw demos would have made her famous. People like them now because they're neat "behind the curtain" peeks at her creative process, and because she's STEVIE NICKS. She would not, however, have become STEVIE NICKS off of those demos themselves. She might have had a small cult following, but that's it. (Same can be said for the work people like Jimmy, Belmont, Roy and the rest put into her solo stuff).
Didn't Tom Moncrieff work her demos out too?
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She didn't chart Top 3 with her last 2 records and Show Them the Way didn't chart at all so she probably doesn't want to release new music anymore unless it's a duet with a bigger star: Miley, Maroon 5, Elton, or Harry.
But there’s more than sales and charts. There is the drive to create. She appears to have lost this.
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Didn't Tom Moncrieff work her demos out too?
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Old 03-15-2022, 06:27 PM
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Unfortunately like other rock artists last year and this year, Mike's new album didn't chart in the US.

Sounds like a great tour though ultimateclassicrock.com/mike-campbell-tom-petty-songs

Awesome that they're going to do TPHB songs.
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Old 03-15-2022, 11:58 PM
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Unfortunately like other rock artists last year and this year, Mike's new album didn't chart in the US.
I think his was mostly sold through his website. That said, he gets a ton of airplay on SiriusXM Outlaw Country.

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Awesome that they're going to do TPHB songs.
He'd have to do a few, since most of the people coming to his show are Heartbreakers fans. Just like how LBCM played some Fleetwood Mac songs.

That said, most of the set is the two Knobs albums.
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I think his was mostly sold through his website. That said, he gets a ton of airplay on SiriusXM Outlaw Country.


He'd have to do a few, since most of the people coming to his show are Heartbreakers fans. Just like how LBCM played some Fleetwood Mac songs.

That said, most of the set is the two Knobs albums.
I bought the album at Barnes and Noble. I don't know if he'd have to do TPHB because he is playing small rooms/bars so the Knobs music works perfect for the venues. But maybe out of appreciation to the fans and because he wants to carry the torch for Tom.
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That said, he gets a ton of airplay on SiriusXM Outlaw Country.
AND…He’s filling in for Mojo Nixon today.
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