Ticketmaster to Scalp tix

[David]

Originally posted by Pix
What I was talking about as you accusing me of letting people say whatever the want... basically attacking users that they don't agree with. Which is exactly what has gone on here. Not as bad on this thread as some others, but it’s still here.

I have warned several users about going after others, and even if nobody wants to admit it they know it's true. Nobody goes after others now... I have stated many times that this is the job of the admins.

I'm in like Flynn with several of the admins here, so I can say just about whatever I want.

Knowing that one has such freedom really is an effective picker-upper in the morning!

[gldstwmn]

Originally posted by Pix
Not true at all... Beware of giving any info to them. I hadn't even started a petition, and they come off like I'm in league with the Devil and I must have some other grand design on getting peoples names and/or phone numbers. All I said was that we need to team up then they say "BEWARE" He really has anterior motives.

That was a clear statement that I was involved in some type of conspiracy to gather names and addresses, and nothing was even done.

The word beware was never used in any post on this thread.

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

I've tried to avoid posting on this thread and I really don't want to get into a huge argument. Most people who have followed the whole Todd issue knows my feelings on the matter and about my dealings with him. Fan club aside I feel myself and the other members of Fireflies UK were treated like **** by that man and he was caught out in a lie and then tried to bribe his way out of it. When this happened I made a choice not to have anything to do with his board and ceased posting over there. I have never slagged off the board admistrators (apart from Todd) as my beef is with him. There have been times, though, where I have felt that people have dis-believed my claims or simply do not care how I've been treated by that man. Anyone who knows me well knows that I am fiercely loyal to my friends and if someone takes on a friend they take on me as well. I guess I assume people would do the same for me but this whole mess has shown this isn't always the case.

As I said I have not got into a slanging match with the other board admins and I never will but I can understand the strong feelings that are being shown in this thread. People feel cheated and quite rightly so and it does seem questionable that Pix would want to get into all this by choosing to post over here when there are plenty of other places to do so.

Pip

[gypsysara]

Originally posted by Pix
We were not talking about the other board here. We were talking about being civil on this board. I haven’t posted any pictures that are under any ones copyright. The Club does not employ me, and I don’t get paid, nor did I “rip anyone off.”

Who told you that they saw what you were doing here and they banned you? That is another lie. Nobody was ever banned for what they said on another board. There were many times when I told people not to start an us/them toward this board. All you that read there know this to be true. I never banned anyone unless they were nasty and defamatory.

I deleted a thread here a couple of months ago because people decided to make it into and argument when I posted about times that a FM broadcast would be aired. It had nothing to do with the subject of the thread. Just as this thread has changed from me telling you guys about TM… into people using it to attack me.

Just because you, “feel” I’m a liar doesn’t make me one, and you can show me nothing that proves that I lie because there is no such case.

You mean I cant "prove" you lie & lied? Well you must not know what your boss JT and the other co-Admin GoldDustWoman do then. Boy are you dense or what? That's like the folks at Enron not "knowing" what was going on. I find it hard to believe that you would not know your other Admins on your board were banning people. I say "others" because you claim and feign no clue as to what we are talking about. And of course, since I was banned, there is no way for me to go back and prove that. I am no sysop at your board nor do I have computer expertise.

I was banned from mickfleetwood.com because i simply pointed out one of the administrators (Gold Dust Woman) was breaking mickfleetwood.com's own rules. So i got kicked out for doing that. that is f*cked up. its even more fu*cked up that youd lie about it. I know there were many others aside of me who were banned. My username over there was GYPSYSARA Pix, Im sure if you can look into the history you may be able to get to the bottom of the mystery as to who banned me and why.

Between all this utter crap and my personal stuff this is all wheyyy too much.

[dissention]

Originally posted by Pix
Check out this BS... We need to all get together on this one. Lets get a petition going and see if we can make them think twice.

I have a killer response for ya, Trin, but it's unfortunate that you can't see my finger.

[dissention]

Originally posted by SaraRhiannon

SARA! Such fond memories!!! You knew *exactly* the right time to post one of those suckers; they truly were the ray of light on Mick's board! Could you post another of your classic for posterity???

[gypsysara]

With no offense to our gracious and awesome host... somedays I wish I could set up my own 'ledge (tho it wouldnt be nearly as cool). Today is one of them days.

[glitter_fades]

QUOTE]Originally posted by Gypsy-Rhiannon


...

As I said I have not got into a slanging match with the other board admins and I never will but I can understand the strong feelings that are being shown in this thread. People feel cheated and quite rightly so and it does seem questionable that Pix would want to get into all this by choosing to post over here when there are plenty of other places to do so.

Pip [/QUOTE]


I find it questionable as well. I think it's called muddying the waters...trying to rewrite history. Bait and flame. Make things appear to be what they are not in the eyes of anyone trying to make sense of this whole thing. The timing is questionable as well. It seems the heat is on now. The tour is winding down. Perhaps it's becoming clear that some fans made a mistake getting cozy with JT ? Who says JT has closer ties to the band than some of the people he burned?

The time for minions to wake up and smell the coffee was around 9am--back when the boss was telling people in private phone calls that he gave you things you now deny receiving. It's almost midnight now and I just wonder...where was your ire then? You shot down the messenger who revealed this information to the fan community, but not the message your boss was sending. Why weren't you worried THEN about people perceiving you as a minion of JT? NOW you want to help fans at this board get a petition against Ticketmaster? Would that be the same kind of petition the band has seen in regards to the fan club fiasco?

No, I don't think you wanted any part of that one. Not when you thought being in JT's corner would get you somewhere. Please understand why some people don't want any part of your last minute crusade against the meanies taking advantage of the fans.

Thanks for bringing us the message, though. I won't shoot you for being the messenger. Just don't get all defensive about some people having a negative attitude against you. Afterall, for the mass bannings and unnecessary weilding of power you enjoyed for so long as administrator of Mick's board...it's a bit shallow of you, Pix...don't you think? For all you've done and failed to do in creating such a sad state of affairs in the FM fan community, your "woe is me" posture is naturally going to encite a negative reaction. Was that your intention?

I'm trying to be as diplomatic about this as possible so not to fan the flames unreasonably, but I have to take issue with you, Pix, when you state emphatically that you haven't lied about anything. I won't be so rude as to flat-out call you a liar. Yet, I agree with those who remember that you DID ban people and delete posts at Mick's board without explanation. I agree that this was ONLY done to fans who were not supportive of JT and the fan club, while other posters who wrote glowing messages of support for him but also wrote nasty personal attacks against non supportive fans were allowed to continue posting without being banned or deleted. I know this becasue I was on both sides of the situation.

When all hell broke loose on Mick's board the day of the first pre-sale, I posted a lot of mean-spirited messages about how people deserved to get ripped off because they didn't listen to the warnings posted about the fan club. I even posted profanity against one poor person who thought I was rubbing it in that so many people got taken. I saved those posts and reply messages for my own peace of mind becasue I did not really mean what I was saying. I wanted to see what was going to happen if I stood with JT on the day so many were up in arms against him. As I recall, I was not deleted or banned for saying a lot of nasty stuff on that day.

Curiously, the next day, I started a poll on Mick's board asking for pro and con opinions about the fan club and the first presale. When it was clear fans at Mick's board were overwhelmingly against the way the fan club and pre-sale had been handled (60 unhappy, 2 happy, 2 others not happy but willing to wait and see), I was immediately banned for saying something was wrong with the pre-sale and my poll was deleted. I haven't been back there since, but I assume no administrator ever explained why the poll was deleted. Care to explain now?

The bottom line is this:

You weren't supporting the fan community when you banned and deleted many of the 60 fans who voted NO, NOT HAPPY, in regards to the fan club fiasco conducted through Mick's board. Now you want us to get on board with you becasue the target of the backlash is Ticketmaster not JT.? Do I have that right?

Please explain why I should join you. Maybe I will.

I'll try to keep in mind that this is the Ledge, not Mick's chat. Everyone's opinions are welcome, whether you agree or not...that includes your opinions, whether I agree or not. I can live with that. Can you?

[gypsysara]

Originally posted by glitter_fades
I'll try to keep in mind that this is the Ledge, not Mick's chat. Everyone's opinions are welcome, whether you agree or not...that includes your opinions, whether I agree or not. I can live with that. Can you?

Its a shame we have to live with that, when they (being JT, Pix and GoldDustWoman) so freely and easily banned us -- yet they can freely and easily come in here any time of day. But such is life I guess.

[SaraRhiannon]

Originally posted by dissention
SARA! Such fond memories!!! You knew *exactly* the right time to post one of those suckers; they truly were the ray of light on Mick's board! Could you post another of your classic for posterity???

Aw, I'm so glad that there are others who share my corny sense of humor How about this one? It's dedicated to all of my fellow Banned Mates. You're in good company!

[Cour]

thanks for the slide show....now where's Judy



C

[SaraRhiannon]

Originally posted by Cour
thanks for the slide show....now where's Judy



C

GASP!!! I completely forgot about that one!

[teedee]

Originally posted by Pix
Oh ya... I just came over and went off for no reason. It doesn't have anything to do with a few calling me names and accusing me of lies, and being gay... sucking male organs, kissing ass, being a minion, selling out, etc. I'm not the one who needs to work on being civil. I would quote the guy that said some of this stuff, but the post has vanished.

You can accuse me of not being civil, but anyone who has read the garbage a few people throw my direction knows that I have taken that crap for all to long and not said a word. Hell, I've been accused of being in league with Satan. I have always been civil when I came here, but I'm not going to take **** without responding to it anymore.

The quote about "discussing it" was in direct response to someone telling me I perform oral sex on men. (Paraphrase) That post has now been removed. I should have quoted it so he couldn't remove it, but I didn't think you guys did that here...

Don't tell me I'm not the one being civil. I have been civil and been attacked anyway. If people want to attack me now, the can expect it in return. If they leave me alone I will do the same. If not then we can continue like this.

if this behavior is not accepted at the mf board, why would you behave this way yourself? Dont you know better? you have hit the ban button on many of us.and you cant seem to understand why any info or suggestion from you would cause us to raise an eyebrow. you said your being attacked? look even when we were on your board, it was the last web site/board to have the latest info. we all here have connection and find out thing way before you even post them on your mf board, why would we need you to come here to inform us, i dont mean that rudely, but even if you were or were not attack here, you must be able to at least know that anything you suggest to us HERE would not be accepted with out hesitation for you are the one who banned us from your site, you stated you dont like some of us , fine, and if there are some here who do like you , im sure if they like you they will go over to your board to hear what you have to say there , so there really is no need for you to come here ,of course tho it seems as tho you are coming here to vent, and venting isnt allowed on your board, but of course we will not ban you here, and if you just cant understand why ppl here will react to what you say in the manner they do well than that s your problem....its simple, there is a lack of trust , because when we complained to you or spoke are minds you didnt help us you banned us..thats why we dont see you as an informant to us....and really you are just making yourself look worse now by doing so , than during the whole fiasco with the club, cant you see that. banning me from your board was the best thing to happen to me,, cause my ledgies here are the best folks around.....i think seek said it best lets not reply to his posts, i know i did here , but i just want ed to thank trinity for banning me, . all i can say is it must be pretty damn boring over on that other board if the admins have to come over here ...wonder if JT knows about it, hell it was probably his idea,

[teedee]

Originally posted by Pix
I was hoping that we could use the combined numbers from both the boards to try an let it be known what we think on this issue. I guess there is just to many hard feeling for that to be so.

why would we combined forces with ppl we dont trust and ppl who treated us the way they did and never made good? then banned us.. maybe youre realizing the ledge has ppl who stick together and have some kind of unity. that you lack over at your board, your board is the one who created the division..why would you expect us to feel differently towards you now? your club has not fixed their wrong doings towards us, but yet you expect us to join forces with you in big numbers.....


sorry couldnt resist posting ,,, ok no more replies to trinity

[teedee]

Originally posted by Pix
What I was talking about as you accusing me of letting people say whatever the want... basically attacking users that they don't agree with. Which is exactly what has gone on here. Not as bad on this thread as some others, but it’s still here.

I have warned several users about going after others, and even if nobody wants to admit it they know it's true. Nobody goes after others now... I have stated many times that this is the job of the admins.

trin the reason it seems to be going on here is simply cause of your post, that here we can respond with how we feel about something freely..you continue to reply so ppl continue to post. seriously can i ask you something, why would you honestly feel this enviorment would have open arms to you. we do accept everyone, but as long as you are an admin, cant you see why ppl feel they way they do.... hard feelings , yes there are, you dont wrong ppl with out fixing it , and expect them to welcome you without hesitation. as for you banning me, you told me i always tell a person when i bann them,, not so.the other question i have is why would you continue to come here? ok you want to defend your self , you know there is nothing you can say that will change ppls minds ... why do you go start a happy thread on your site , you may feel better, really i mean it .