Rumours 5 Event 2023?

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

Would Stevie have returned to FM in 1997 if it was with Billy and Rick(no Lindsey) and for a full performance of the Rumours album tour?

Highly doubt it.

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

Highly doubt it.

If it was a Rumours album tv concert and tour with Rick and Billy. would they have played Silver Springs?

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

If it was a Rumours album tv concert and tour with Rick and Billy. would they have played Silver Springs?

I think the whole idea of playing SS was to ignite the B/N drama. And boy does that sell!

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

If it was a Rumours album tv concert and tour with Rick and Billy. would they have played Silver Springs?

Oh, you're joking!! haha... Billy would turn around and sign it to Mick.

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Stop talking in platitudes when there are specific timelines and facts backing up what happened.

Christine AND John specified in the January, 1993 press conference that they were going into the studio in April to start on the next album. There are band picture from late-93/early-94 of Mick, John, Christine, Bekka, and Dave before Billy rejoined. Every interview from 1994 says that she’s still a member and contributing to the recording. She even said during one of the LBCM interviews that she stopped going to the studio when things became acrimonious with Dave Mason, a sentiment also expressed by Richard Dashut. Those are verifiable facts. Does any of that sound like she was never intended to be on the album?

Christine’s Time songs were most likely the studio demos made while the band was looking for a guitarist, hence Michael Thompson. Billy left the band shortly after the sessions started, hence why he’s on “I Do.”

Steve. Of course! I am not even sure what you are arguing. I think I know but not sure. I never said Chris was not openly talking about and intent on recording with the band. Those were her original plans when she announced her departure in 1990 from touring. She said it again in 1993, etc. I dont think any of that is in dispute. I only pointed out that things change and evolve with Fleetwood Mac all the time. What they say and do are usually 5 different things. Christine's anxiety grew even more after 1994 and did not want to record Time. Mick has said it in his book and its even on the Time wikipedia page. Of course there will always be Chris demos floating around. And she was a good girl and committed to Time.
You are saying Chris knew about the Dance and had committed as early as 1995? I say no way. Logic points she would not have done that. She was the hard one to move since she did not want to tour. But after a few years away she finally agreed to a tour of the states only and even that she was not thrilled about. She already came close or intended to abort her recording plans with the band. Stevie also aborted her recording promise. Lets pretend The Dance never happened. Time was such a flop do you think Warner would have let the band record another album? I think not. I think everyone knew the band was toast at that time. Even Mick publicly states his regret for trying to keep going. The band was done and that needed to happen before anyone would have taken a reunion seriously. If your theory is right, they would have regrouped after the inaugural and announced a reunion tour.
Now here is something that I don't find a coincidence. The ultimate trivial question. Guess what song was included in the Japanese release of Time? The extended mix of Little Lies. Clearly they were using the drama of Time to make Little Lies a hit in Japan.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

I think the whole idea of playing SS was to ignite the B/N drama. And boy does that sell!

*insert Sammy Davis, Jr voice*

It's a turn off, man.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

*insert Sammy Davis, Jr voice*

It's a turn off, man.

It worked. And she sang it with passion! And the band sounded great.

And... I never really cared for that song. Also, I never thought it should've been on Rumours. It was a B side for a reason.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

Steve. Of course! I am not even sure what you are arguing. I think I know but not sure. I never said Chris was not openly talking about and intent on recording with the band. Those were her original plans when she announced her departure in 1990 from touring. She said it again in 1993, etc. I dont think any of that is in dispute. I only pointed out that things change and evolve with Fleetwood Mac all the time.

Except you said that she was never intended to be on Time, which is verifiably not true.

Yes, the project took a radical change from what she was signed on for, and she eventually dropped out of the project, but she was always intended to be on the album.

That said, Bekka Bramlett joining seemed pretty inevitable to me going back to 1992, and Mick seemed pretty high on Dave Mason when I met him at a Zoo show, so I wasn’t especially surprised that’s the turn the band took, especially after Billy dropped out.

I only pointed out that things change and evolve with Fleetwood Mac all the time.

However, in the case of Christine on Time, they specifically said this is what they we’re doing and that’s what they ended up doing.

Christine's anxiety grew even more after 1994 and did not want to record Time.

They’d already started recording. You can clearly hear her keyboards on the original “Blow By Blow” from Soccer Rocks The Globe.

You are saying Chris knew about the Dance and had committed as early as 1995?

I never said or suggested that Christine knew about The Dance back in late 1994, although I’m sure the possibility crossed her mind. It certainly seemed to have by the AOL chat.

I’m saying the label began working on killing off the Time lineup after Hell Freezes Over. They stuck Lindsey with Rob C., Rob C. started pushing Lindsey to do a Fleetwood Mac reunion. IIRC, Lindsey was working in the same studio as Fleetwood Mac, hence his appearance on “Nothing Without You.” Purely coincidental, I’m sure.

And, then Mick was added to Lindsey’s project, knowing “who should we get on bass” would eventually come up. The label was totally manipulating the situation. They knew getting Lindsey together with Mick was the only way he’d dissolve Fleetwood Mac. That’s when the industry types started coming around and when Billy saw the writing on the wall.

The problem is the label invested so much into Time that they had to release it, and the only remote possibility of recouping anything was adding Christine’s songs. So, the band got her studio demos and added them to the album.

Time was such a flop do you think Warner would have let the band record another album? I think not.

Two problems with this question. First, with Mo and Lenny gone from the label, Time was never going to get the kind of of promotion they gave OOTC to give it a chance to fail on its own. The label was already going to kill it. Second, the reason why is there was already a precedent of their peers/contemporaries having a massively successful reunion tour.

Even if it only got to ‘Lindsey Buckingham featuring Mick Fleetwood’, that was going to be an easier sell than a new lineup of Fleetwood Mac.

[jmn3]

It’s been a long time since I watched that 1993 interview and wooo is it awkward at times. Lindsey couldn’t want to be somewhere any less. The comments about Mick’s book lol. I actually laughed several times.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by jmn3

It’s been a long time since I watched that 1993 interview and wooo is it awkward at times. Lindsey couldn’t want to be somewhere any less. The comments about Mick’s book lol. I actually laughed several times.

Christine is so cool, calm and collected.

[aleuzzi]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

It worked. And she sang it with passion! And the band sounded great.

And... I never really cared for that song. Also, I never thought it should've been on Rumours. It was a B side for a reason.

Exactly. Its fate was well-deserved. The 1997 version is amazeballs. The 1977 version is meh. Despite excellent backing instrumentation, she just doesn't sound right on it. Her voice at that time lacked the gravitas to pull it off. It was a pleasant ditty. Total B side.

But the dance version...wow. That was epic.

[aleuzzi]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

Steve H said this album was recorded and done in 2016 or 2017.

Is 24 Karat Gold the album 8 years old or 25 years old?

He's right. The songs are old, some nearly 40 years old at the time of recording, but the performances are comparatively recent, Stevie's album swansong at the moment.

[jmn3]

Originally Posted by aleuzzi

Exactly. Its fate was well-deserved. The 1997 version is amazeballs. The 1977 version is meh. Despite excellent backing instrumentation, she just doesn't sound right on it. Her voice at that time lacked the gravitas to pull it off. It was a pleasant ditty. Total B side.

But the dance version...wow. That was epic.

I’ll go to my grave saying I Don’t Want to Know is far superior to Silver Springs and absolute fits the album 100x better. Now, what she did with it in 1997 is a different story altogether. It was amazing.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by jmn3

I’ll go to my grave saying I Don’t Want to Know is far superior to Silver Springs and absolute fits the album 100x better. Now, what she did with it in 1997 is a different story altogether. It was amazing.

IDWTK is far superior, and fit the album perfectly. Only idiots pretend that SS was on Rumours.

[SteveMacD]

IDWTK SHOULD have been a staple in the Time band setlist.