Stevie's everywhere except in the studio.

[Macfanforever]

Originally Posted by MikeVielhaber

I disagree on the premise the an album is a bonus. I likely will have to skip the tour because costs are prohibitive, but an album is something I can afford AND lasts forever. They're two separate things, not one added to the other.

That being said, the way the talk about recording an album seems like they expect it to happen....not a case of maybe it'll happen or maybe it won't....which is a stance they've taken before.

Yes I have to say you are right.

I agree 100 percent on the inflated ticket prices. $10.00 to $15 bucks for a CD verses $200 plus bucks for a concert is understandable.

I know it kills me but I'm down to one show from 5 plus shows on this upcoming tour.I got some medical bills and property taxes to be taken care of.

Its beyond me these shows are selling out at these high ticket prices.

[MikeInNV]

Originally Posted by michelej1

Being in the place where the music equipment is and hearing the various track selections in different orders during the decision making process naturally gives the person on location more influence than the people in "Hawaii" get.

I know I've mentioned this before, but I don't know if anyone confirmed it for me. I thought the big SYW fight was that Lindsey decided to change the running order after it had supposedly been decided. I thought the others went to Hawaii thinking the matter was settled, and when it wasn't, that's when the trouble ensued. Does anyone else remember this? Because I have no chance of figuring out where I got the idea.

[MikeInNV]

It's amazing to me that as Ledgies, we can be bigger drama queens than the band themselves.

Mick needs more studio time than Stevie, and he's booking Blues Band shows, showing up at a Dollar Loan corporate event, and working on a TV show. Why no thread where we can all lose our sh*t over that?

Seriously though, my personal opinion is that no one in the band ever had any intention of getting an album out before the tour, so no one feels the need to rush to get everything done in the next couple months. They're taking their time, and that's probably a good thing. For one thing, I think John needs all the recovery time he can get.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by shackin'up

Mick, John and mainly Lindsey worked their asses off for almost a year on SN her songs. She wasn't there, until the vocal parts were planned in her schedule. She was not happy with the result and the sequencing.

Why? Because she wasn't there when they recorded and arranged her instrumental tracks, and I believe she was in Hawaii when Lindsey conquered the sequencing and handed in an album that was not sequencedin Stevie's way. (Again, she wasn't there).

If you are a band, be there, and influence the process. If You're not. Stop whining afterwards. You can defend her until eternity, I 'm basicly very sad that she does not record with Chris, Mick and Lindsey now. She should. There will NOT be a good FM album without the influence from all, as a unity.

It doesn't seem to be Lindsey's production work on Stevie's songs that she had a problem with, Gerald. She told Performing Songwriter in 2003, that her songs are "100 percent more terrific after Lindsey works on them." Now, she could have been speaking in generalities, but I don't think she would have paid him that compliment in the same way right after they'd finished 'Say You Will,' if she were seriously unhappy with the production work on the songs they'd just completed.

The things she seemed most angry about -- the mixing and sequencing, as we've already mentioned -- were things she was, in some shape or form, around for. Michele has argued (and I see her point) that Stevie wasn't "around" for the sequencing, because she wasn't in the states. But I still disagree that not being physically present in L.A., negated or limited Stevie's opinion on the matter. Half of the songs were still hers and she should have had a say.

At any rate, there's another quote of Stevie's from Performing Songwriter, that I think is perfect for this topic:

"We're both really selfish, and it's like, 'No, I want it to be this way!' It's like you have two serious bulls in a pen, and we argue all the time. There's continual trauma. But does it make for incredible works of music? Yeah, it does."

As I've said, I think she just doesn't want to fight and argue anymore.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by MikeInNV

Mick needs more studio time than Stevie, and he's booking Blues Band shows, showing up at a Dollar Loan corporate event, and working on a TV show. Why no thread where we can all lose our sh*t over that?

Lol! That is an interesting phenomenon!

[sorcerer999]

In my opinion, things will progress the way they've always progressed in regards to Stevie's involvement with the band since the "Mirage" era. 90% of the studio work will be done without her, including the instrumentation on whatever "vault" songs she might have given them.

She will then come in and spend a month or two laying down the vocals on her vault songs and harmonies on Linds and Chris' songs. She will probably bring in 2 or 3 new songs that they will work on during this period as well.

If they bring in a filmmaker to document the reunion of the complete "Rumours" lineup, they'll film tidbits here and there at the beginning, but for the most part will do a majority of the filming during Stevie's studio time in an effort to show ALL FIVE members at play.

I have mixed feelings over a new studio album, especially after the last one. If the pieces can come together and the "magic" is there...if the quality of the songwriting can still strike emotional chords after all this time...and if EVERYONE brings their "A Game" with an understanding that this could very well be the LAST F. Mac studio record, then of course we'll all be overjoyed, not only the die-hards like us, but the casual Mac fan as well.

If they're just going through the motions to make money...if the songs make me want to puke (a la "Silver Girl" or "Red Rover")...if the chemistry between the band members is painfully stale, then it will be a bomb and a disappointment with EVERYONE and will be that final nail in the coffin, album wise.

Touring, as we all know, won't be affected. They'll probably do that for years and years. Just my opinion...but I really hope that a new, bad ass classic album comes to fruition, despite record sales. I've always been about the quality! I know they can do it!

[elle]

Originally Posted by MikeInNV

Mick needs more studio time than Stevie, and he's booking Blues Band shows, showing up at a Dollar Loan corporate event, and working on a TV show. Why no thread where we can all lose our sh*t over that?

well, Mick was reported as being in the studio with FM, his drums are all over every single photo we got from the village recorder in March, and he and others in the band have been on record as saying he's all in, working with them in the studio, that's why he's renting a house with Christine and staying in LA.

for SN, other band members (Chris and Lindsey) were saying that she is still trying to figure out when and how to join them. both Christine and Lindsey talked in the media about currently working on the new FM album, while SN had plenty of opportunity to say the same during her recent media exposure and she hasn't. so it's not like they have group gag thing that they can't talk about the new album they are working on, because if that was the case, Mick, Chris and Lindsey wouldn't be talking about it either. SN has also said she doesn't know what she's doing for the next few months, that she has nothing to do.

so there's just all that.

[BLY]

All of the albums with this line up are classics. This one will be too. JusT PLEASE release it before or at the beginning of the tour for all the obvious reasons.

[elle]

Originally Posted by BLY

All of the albums with this line up are classics. This one will be too. JusT PLEASE release it before or at the beginning of the tour for all the obvious reasons.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by elle

for SN, other band members (Chris and Lindsey) were saying that she is still trying to figure out when and how to join them.

Minor correction -- Christine hasn't said anything about Stevie not being in the studio. Lindsey is the only who's commented on that. Mind you, I have no reason not to believe him, but I just wanted to clarify that Christine hasn't commented on Stevie in those regards.

Originally Posted by elle

well, Mick was reported as being in the studio with FM, his drums are all over every single photo we got from the village recorder in March, and he and others in the band have been on record as saying he's all in, working with them in the studio, that's why he's renting a house with Christine and staying in LA.

Mike still brought up a good point... even though Mick was there in the studio initially, he still has quite a few extracurricular activities running, and no one's fretting about that. Yet his presence would be even more essential in the studio right now, than Stevie's would be. Sounds like John hasn't been there much either (for extremely understandable reasons). So I don't get the feeling there's any real sense of urgency just yet anyway.

[Johnny Stew]

One additional comment to Elle... Stevie's comment about not having anything going on for the "next few months," was made before the official announcement of Christine's return. Remember, she even back-tracked a little right after she mentioned hitting the road this fall.

I don't think she was wanting to let the cat out of the bag -- even though, for us, Christine's return was a foregone conclusion by then.

[elle]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

One additional comment to Elle... Stevie's comment about not having anything going on for the "next few months," was made before the official announcement of Christine's return. Remember, she even back-tracked a little right after she mentioned hitting the road this fall.

so if SN is onboard with the album recording and all in now, why not say anything about it at her recent media appearances? by all the FB activity, i think she had bunch just within the last week.

yes, no urgency. Mick and Christine are renting and paying for a huge mansion in LA, and FM is paying studio time at the village recorder (that SN said she could not afford more than a week when she was recording IYD), just becuase they feel like throwing away some money and hang out, i guess.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by elle

so if SN is onboard with the album recording and all in now, why not say anything about it at her recent media appearances? by all the FB activity, i think she had bunch just within the last week.

I don't recall any of the red-carpet journalists asking her about an album. If they had asked, and she shied away from answering, then I'd be worried. All everyone asked about was the tour, because that's what casual fans are most interested in.

Originally Posted by elle

yes, no urgency. Mick and Christine are renting and paying for a huge mansion in LA, and FM is paying studio time at the village recorder (that SN said she could not afford more than a week when she was recording IYD), just becuase they feel like throwing away some money and hang out, i guess.

We know they were in the studio. Do we know for sure that they still are? Maybe they only booked a few weeks to get the ball rolling.

Did I say they're just wanting to hang out and throw away money? That's quite a leap from anything I said. The work in the studio -- by all accounts -- was to start getting Christine's demos in shape. Plus, let's not forget that Lindsey said, in reference to working in the studio, "It will be a little bit of a slow process with her piano chops. But all the stuff inside her is still intact, and she's getting in touch with a process that's been lying dormant for a while."

So... they're obviously easing into things.

As for the mansion -- Christine has to have somewhere to stay while she's living in the states, no?

My point about there being no sense of urgency, is that -- if Fleetwood Mac doesn't intend to have an album out within the next four or five months, then obviously the band members can line up other things. Or, in the case of John, continue to rest and get his strength back. In other words, it's not yet "crunch time."

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by MikeInNV

I know I've mentioned this before, but I don't know if anyone confirmed it for me. I thought the big SYW fight was that Lindsey decided to change the running order after it had supposedly been decided. I thought the others went to Hawaii thinking the matter was settled, and when it wasn't, that's when the trouble ensued. Does anyone else remember this? Because I have no chance of figuring out where I got the idea.

No, I don't think that the band has ever really outlined what the sequencing problem was and I never heard that it was agreed upon and changed without anyone's permission.

Michele

[sorcerer999]

Originally Posted by BLY

All of the albums with this line up are classics. This one will be too. JusT PLEASE release it before or at the beginning of the tour for all the obvious reasons.

Considering the tour starts in 5 months, that's just not going to happen.