FWIW question... - Page 9

CADreaming · #**121** 05-05-2011, 06:18 PM

Oh for God's sake....

CastAwayDreamer · #**122** 05-05-2011, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by CADreaming

Oh for God's sake....

Just count back from ten.

mezzoforte · #**123** 05-05-2011, 06:52 PM

I've already been called a shipper today, so I want to add a big ol' disclaimer before I so much as dip my pinky toe in these murky waters:

I truly don't believe Stevie and Lindsey are soulmates, that they would still be together if they'd gotten married in the 70's, or that they would get married now and ride off into the sunset if only he would leave Kristen. And I certainly wouldn't want him to leave Kristen--he seems happy, and I'm not actually crazy enough to have personal investments in any of these relationships--especially since I've never met these people!

I don't even attribute their break-ups to bad timing--I think these two humans just don't quite match up.
I'm also well aware that SL play up their relationship onstage and probably in their writing.

And I'm not at all sure that FWIW is about LB; it could be any of a number of men who were around her at the time and possibly someone we've never heard of. I'm mainly just glad that Stevie's had so much love and support in her life, from so many sources.

But even though these two people weren't "made for each other", the relationship has been a defining one in both of their lives. If FM had split up permanently after Rumours it's fairly likely that they would have gone their separate ways and rarely thought of each other. But they didn't--they've been in and out of each other's lives and have shared a lot of experiences that very few other people could understand. They're not exactly the average couple that's been broken up for 30 years.
Under those circumstances, it doesn't seem crazy that they'd still be writing songs about each other, or that some of us would interpret some songs through that lens.

BTW, this is sort of a general reaction to the attitude that anyone who thinks a song is about Lindsey is, like, a crazy shipper. I'm not sure at all that FWIW is. And really, no one but Stevie can really be sure who any song is about

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Originally Posted by crylove77

I haven't been on here in years and didn't post much when I was here, but I've been around the boards for years, and with this new album coming out decided to kind of get back in the swing of things. So I guess I'm gonna just jump right into the deep end on this thread.

So......

I think without a doubt this song is about LB. And I'll tell you why. Now, I'm sure some of the "old timers" around here have heard this story, but it's been pretty "underground" for some years now. This story came in parts from Chris Nicks and Glen Parrish. I'm not saying anything in the story is fact, only that it came from reliable sources at reliable times. So here it is, as I was told.

First off, Stevie was not just on Klonopin, she was taking a a lot of other pills, drinking heavily, smoking a lot of weed, etc. Basically just self medicating all the time. This was also around the time Stevie was carrying around those realistic looking baby dolls acting like they were real. There's pics of her in airports walking with those "babies". Anyway, she was just in a really bad place mentally, as she has said. Glen said once she locked herself in her room for 3 days and he literally had to knock down the door to get in and she hadn't showered or eaten in days, just a mess. Lori and Jess were a wreck during this time, they just didn't know how to help her and she wouldn't listen to anyone. Apparently, Lori called LB first and asked him to come try to talk to her, that they just didn't know what to do anymore. At first LB said no, that he just couldn't go down that road with her again, it was too much. He had "caught her when she was falling" so many times at that point, and he just couldn't understand what was happening to her. So he said no to Lori. Then Jess called and just broke down on the phone begging for his help. So LB flew to Phoenix and Glen picked him up at the airport. They went back to the house and when he saw Stevie she was holding/rocking that doll, had not been taking care of herself, etc., and LB broke down. Stevie got angry when she saw him and basically started blaming him for everything. Glen said LB begged her to come with him to get help and she refused. She was screaming at him, hitting him, blaming him for everything and Glen said LB just stood there and took it (as he usually does when it comes to Stevie, according to Chris). Chris and Glen have both said that LB is a "saint" at times with her. So the whole thing went on for 2 days, LB begging her to get help, she refusing. Finally, she said she would go if LB would stay with her through the initial detox. At first LB said no, he couldn't watch her go through that, but finally said he would stay with her when he realized she would go no other way. So LB arranged and paid for a private plane with a doctor, nurse and his own shrink to fly down to Phoenix and fly back with them to CA to some extremely exclusive rehab. Apparently, LB paid an exorbitant amount of money for the privilege of staying with her, basically a bribe. Jess was so torn up he didn't visit at all, couldn't bear to see her that way. Chris said they all thought she was going to die. This is when her hair turned grey and she had terrible leg and stomach cramps and couldn't sleep. Lindsey did things for her that she would not allow the nurses to do, help her bathe, use the bathroom, things like that. She wanted and tried to leave the detox multiple times, but LB literally held her down to stop her from leaving. She also had severe shakes, almost like seizures, and he held her during those too. After the bad detox was over and the rehab started, he was involved with everything and came to multiple therapy sessions with her. Chris and Glen have both said that LB was the sole reason she got better, that his love and support made her able to cope with it all. And she came to depend on him a great deal after that. (What you did was, You saved my life, I won't forget it)

Love Is is tied into all this as well. At the end of the rehab, Stevie wanted to start fresh with him in a romantic relationship but LB was hesitant. Not only had they been down that road numerous times and it had never worked long term, but he had serious problems of his own at that time. He was seeing a shrink himself and had developed a serious alcohol dependency. This was around the time he got that DUI. He was also still on again/off again with Cheri (You said, even if I left my girlfriend, picked up my stuff, loaded up my car, came down to your house, with good intentions). But during Stevie's detox and rehab, he put his own problems on hold to take care of her. So she wanted him, he said no. Not never, just not "now". He wanted to get his own head on straight before they went down that road again. She was devastated, but understood. And as is popular opinion, the relationship did resume just prior to The Dance.

Making "Twisted" was kind of a test to see if she still had it and that whole story about how The Dance came to be, LB asking Mick to play drums and it morphed, etc.? That's partly true, but the whole Dance thing was LB's brainchild for Stevie, he didn't want to see her go out that way, with everyone remembering how she was in the early 90's. Of course, it helped his career too, but the whole idea was for Stevie.

So, there it is, as I heard it. If you think it's too much private info and should be removed, go for it. I mean no harm, but I get so irritated sometimes when people act like LB is some kind of beast that could never do anything good for her besides help with her music.

This? Is an amazing story.

CADreaming · #**124** 05-05-2011, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CastAwayDreamer

Just count back from ten.

bombaysaffires · #**125** 05-05-2011, 07:40 PM

Love this video clip of Tom Petty's comments at 1:02

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_PTfmttSA0

Serrart · #**126** 05-05-2011, 08:06 PM

No idea if it's about him, I've just heard a sample till now, since my IYD copy hasn't arrived yet (and I've been good

), but I have to say, I'm particularly touched by this song.

CastAwayDreamer · #**127** 05-05-2011, 09:40 PM

crylove77...

I wish someone would explain how they decide when to believe what Stevie, Lindsey and the rest of them say, versus when not to believe them. I mean, I've studied her lyrics, read her interviews, watched them interact, and heard stories that I probably (hell, definitely) had no business hearing. If you take ALL of that into consideration, I really don't see how anyone could come up with a different answer than what we have. To each his own, though, I suppose.

CADreaming · #**128** 05-05-2011, 09:42 PM

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crylove77...

Ditto this...from the bottom of my still beating shipper heart. Well said.

ontheEdgeof17 · #**129** 05-05-2011, 09:49 PM

Am I the only one who wants her to do the little "It's Late" yell and the end of this song? It fits so well.

Ahhhck!

michelej1 · #**130** 05-05-2011, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by crylove77

It's crazy! I swear, if I were to say, "I'm Stevie's 2nd cousin on her mother's side, she invited me to travel with them on the Mirage tour, and I SAW her and LB go at it like rabbits on that amplifier", the reply would be "well, that had to have been two people who just looked like SnL".

Actually, I wouldn't believe Stevie's 2nd cousin on her mother's side. I wouldn't try to explain away what she thought she saw or said she saw, I'd just call her a liar trying to get attention.

But if Barbara Nicks said it, then you know, I'd be all over it.

Michele

CastAwayDreamer · #**131** 05-05-2011, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by crylove77

It's crazy! I swear, if I were to say, "I'm Stevie's 2nd cousin on her mother's side, she invited me to travel with them on the Mirage tour, and I SAW her and LB go at it like rabbits on that amplifier", the reply would be "well, that had to have been two people who just looked like SnL".

OMG!

That's awesome.

Blue Denim really is about a pair of Levi's, ya know.

CastAwayDreamer · #**132** 05-05-2011, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by michelej1

Actually, I wouldn't believe Stevie's 2nd cousin on her mother's side. I wouldn't try to explain away what she thought she saw or said she saw, I'd just call her a liar trying to get attention.

But if Barbara Nicks said it, then you know, I'd be all over it.

Michele

The thought of Barbara Nicks witnessing what took place on that amplifier?

CADreaming · #**133** 05-05-2011, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by crylove77

It's crazy! I swear, if I were to say, "I'm Stevie's 2nd cousin on her mother's side, she invited me to travel with them on the Mirage tour, and I SAW her and LB go at it like rabbits on that amplifier", the reply would be "well, that had to have been two people who just looked like SnL".

Hell, there's people who wouldn't believe it if THEY saw them...

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Originally Posted by CastAwayDreamer

Blue Denim really is about a pair of Levi's, ya know.

I knew it!