Stockholm 10/10/09 - Page 9

CADreaming · #**121** 10-14-2009, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by LikeAWillow

If it's a lie, it's her's, not mine. She's given shoddy numbers over the years around her college career/the start of her and Lindsey's relationship, but she's definitely cited a five year spread.

Oh, I know it's her lie! LOL.

LikeAWillow · #**122** 10-14-2009, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CADreaming

Oh, I know it's her lie! LOL.

Oh, thank god! I completely misinterpreted your tone (most likely because I was in the middle of writing a paper and hating life) and I was ranting to my roommate about how I didn't understand why someone would think I would lie about Stevie's college career.

....not that I'm that invested in the ledge or anything

CADreaming · #**123** 10-14-2009, 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LikeAWillow

Oh, thank god! I completely misinterpreted your tone (most likely because I was in the middle of writing a paper and hating life) and I was ranting to my roommate about how I didn't understand why someone would think I would lie about Stevie's college career.

....not that I'm that invested in the ledge or anything

LOL! No worries. I have a very sarcastic tone so keep that in mind for future reference. Usually if I'm not being sarcastic, it's a longer post.

Btw, Stevie lies like a rug...and I sorta love her for it anyway!

She keeps me entertained.

Best of luck with the paper!

BellaDonna93 · #**124** 10-17-2009, 12:12 PM

Dreams video:

GrahnNicks · #**125** 10-18-2009, 04:21 AM

As you all know, the reviews in Stockholm were bad. What you pherhaps did'nt know was that ever since, there's been a debate in the swedish press about reviewers work. Two of the reviewers were watching soccer att the same time as the concert (Aftonbladet, Expressen) and their readers and colleges have been furios ever since.. Jan Gradvall (also Expressen) has now put an end to the debate with this (very well written and so to the point if you ask me):

Fleetwood Mac’s Swedish concert reviewers…reviewed!

During the Fleetwood Mac concert at the Globe reviewers looked at football. Jan Gradvall notes to the audience, in return, has the eyes of reviewers.

On Saturday, one could witness Scenes from a marriage of two different scenes in Stockholm.
One idea was the Royal Dramatic Theater Small Stage with Jonas Karlsson, Livia Millhagen. The second show was at the Globe with Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks in the leading roles.
Fleetwood Mac's Rumors album is rock music's equivalent of Scenes from a Marriage.

Like Ingmar Bergman's TV series and play, it is a work from the mid-70s, in which private experiences may be a general sense by a total mastery of the artistic expression.

What is interesting is how different these two similar shows watched by critics.
In the theater world is sitting critic concentrated in a darkened theater and wait until the show is described as final.

Within the rock critic world are today connected to the Internet throughout the show, handing out value judgments scene for scene, twittrar and write blogs.

That journalism today are using Twitter, Facebook and blogs as tools is a matter of course. Not least given that it is now on the web that the greatest number of readers there.

But it is obvious that the criticism would deal with it? What makes real-time monitoring of power to the criticism?

Customers in recent days has been on the net could see how readers rebelled against the four Stockholm-based newspapers disparaging reviews of Fleetwood Mac concert.

Many have been provoked by a picture blog where Expressen and Aftonbladet reviewers sit together and follow the football match, Denmark-Sweden in parallel with the marriage drama played out on stage.

The major events in Fleetwood Mac concert was - just about in Bergman's TV series and play - the smallest gestures.

The song "Sara" is about abortion. It is a complicated love drama, written by Stevie Nicks, which depicts the relationship between Stevie Nicks, drummer Mick Fleetwood, his wife Sara Fleetwood and Don Henley of the Eagles.

Text line "When you build your house / I'll come by" supposed to be all about Don Henley and Mick Fleetwood.

But during the concert on Saturday may be the song a new dimension. Midway track goes up to Stevie Nicks Lindsey Buckingham and gives him a long hug.

Is also the track on Stevie Nicks long relationship with Lindsey Buckingham? It was he who could become the father of the unborn child?

"Silver Springs" is one of rock history's bitterest and most powerful love songs. The song is about how Lindsey Buckingham Stevie Nicks left for another woman.

When band leader Mick Fleetwood decided that the song was rejected by Rumors on the basis of LP-disc limited playing time - the song ended up instead in the b-side of single "Go your own away - Stevie Nicks became so bitter in Mick Fleetwood that she threatened to leave the band.

During a concert in 1990 she changed the lyrics to "Gold Dust Woman". After looking towards Mick have sung "Take your silver springs and dig your grave!" She left the stage. And then left the band for several years.

On this tour ends Fleetwood Mac "Silver Springs" as the final encore.

Stevie Nicks, Lindsey Buckingham and Mick Fleetwood comes out on stage side by side. Stevie and Lindsey are looking for each other's hands before the song.

When Stevie Nicks then sings "I know I could have loved you / But you would not let me" is not just the band members' eyes that glisten.

The audience at the sold-out Globe Arena reminded about Dramaten than a typical rock concert.

Average age was somewhere around 57th And the average number of marriages per visitor somewhere around 1.7.

But the verdict from the reviewers days could be summed up: "maddeningly dull".

That concert-goers and readers are angry at reviewers are nothing new. But again is that social media has made that now even the reviewers will be watched and reviewed. And sometimes corrected.

Swedish Dagbladet's reviewer made fun of the Steve Nicks in his long, personal introduction to "Gypsy" - which turned out to be about her first time with Lindsey Buckingham - Confusing the 60's band when she started talking about the Velvet Underground.

But concert-goers informs in a comment to the concert review. As Stevie Nicks spoke of is the Velvet Underground, she mentions in the lyrics: a clothing store in downtown San Francisco.

Rock Critics seem to have concluded that constant connection makes it now needs less effort at work. Readers they are talking about the opposite.

Almost all the songs at concerts are also now on YouTube afterwards, the public tender.
It is no longer the critic who has the last word. To quote the title of Thomas Anderson's recent book on criticism: We are all critics.

The visitors to the Globe on Saturday that gave the best journalistic narrative of the concert was the person standing in front of the stage held up a camera phone during Lindsey Buckingham solo version of "Big Love".

With this simple tool to tool - a camera can be a pen, a pencil can be a camera - achieves this amateur critic as critic heel up in the gallery is not brokered.

Through this story we follow down to the concert floor.

We'll see Lindsey Buckingham tense temples. We can relive the exorcism he practices with his acoustic guitar. We can almost feel how it smelled in Stockholm on Saturday evening.

And when the person with the mobile camera at the end of the song turns around, we'll also see how the audience reacts to the performance.

Writing reviews is not just about making a thumbs up or thumbs down. The idea is to reproduce in detail.

These are things that, at least in the past, been the foundation of what critics do.

StreetAngel86 · #**126** 10-18-2009, 07:00 AM

this is an actual article printed in one of your newspapers??????

woah
i love the proliferation of youtube videos comment

and the Gypsy one...maybe something was a little lost in the translation there, do people really think that song is about SnL sex for real?

this was very interesting. thank u.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrahnNicks

As you all know, the reviews in Stockholm were bad. What you pherhaps did'nt know was that ever since, there's been a debate in the swedish press about reviewers work. Two of the reviewers were watching soccer att the same time as the concert (Aftonbladet, Expressen) and their readers and colleges have been furios ever since.. Jan Gradvall (also Expressen) has now put an end to the debate with this (very well written and so to the point if you ask me):

Fleetwood Mac’s Swedish concert reviewers…reviewed!

During the Fleetwood Mac concert at the Globe reviewers looked at football. Jan Gradvall notes to the audience, in return, has the eyes of reviewers.

On Saturday, one could witness Scenes from a marriage of two different scenes in Stockholm.
One idea was the Royal Dramatic Theater Small Stage with Jonas Karlsson, Livia Millhagen. The second show was at the Globe with Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks in the leading roles.
Fleetwood Mac's Rumors album is rock music's equivalent of Scenes from a Marriage.

Like Ingmar Bergman's TV series and play, it is a work from the mid-70s, in which private experiences may be a general sense by a total mastery of the artistic expression.

What is interesting is how different these two similar shows watched by critics.
In the theater world is sitting critic concentrated in a darkened theater and wait until the show is described as final.

Within the rock critic world are today connected to the Internet throughout the show, handing out value judgments scene for scene, twittrar and write blogs.

That journalism today are using Twitter, Facebook and blogs as tools is a matter of course. Not least given that it is now on the web that the greatest number of readers there.

But it is obvious that the criticism would deal with it? What makes real-time monitoring of power to the criticism?

Customers in recent days has been on the net could see how readers rebelled against the four Stockholm-based newspapers disparaging reviews of Fleetwood Mac concert.

Many have been provoked by a picture blog where Expressen and Aftonbladet reviewers sit together and follow the football match, Denmark-Sweden in parallel with the marriage drama played out on stage.

The major events in Fleetwood Mac concert was - just about in Bergman's TV series and play - the smallest gestures.

The song "Sara" is about abortion. It is a complicated love drama, written by Stevie Nicks, which depicts the relationship between Stevie Nicks, drummer Mick Fleetwood, his wife Sara Fleetwood and Don Henley of the Eagles.

Text line "When you build your house / I'll come by" supposed to be all about Don Henley and Mick Fleetwood.

But during the concert on Saturday may be the song a new dimension. Midway track goes up to Stevie Nicks Lindsey Buckingham and gives him a long hug.

Is also the track on Stevie Nicks long relationship with Lindsey Buckingham? It was he who could become the father of the unborn child?

"Silver Springs" is one of rock history's bitterest and most powerful love songs. The song is about how Lindsey Buckingham Stevie Nicks left for another woman.

When band leader Mick Fleetwood decided that the song was rejected by Rumors on the basis of LP-disc limited playing time - the song ended up instead in the b-side of single "Go your own away - Stevie Nicks became so bitter in Mick Fleetwood that she threatened to leave the band.

During a concert in 1990 she changed the lyrics to "Gold Dust Woman". After looking towards Mick have sung "Take your silver springs and dig your grave!" She left the stage. And then left the band for several years.

On this tour ends Fleetwood Mac "Silver Springs" as the final encore.

Stevie Nicks, Lindsey Buckingham and Mick Fleetwood comes out on stage side by side. Stevie and Lindsey are looking for each other's hands before the song.

When Stevie Nicks then sings "I know I could have loved you / But you would not let me" is not just the band members' eyes that glisten.

The audience at the sold-out Globe Arena reminded about Dramaten than a typical rock concert.

Average age was somewhere around 57th And the average number of marriages per visitor somewhere around 1.7.

But the verdict from the reviewers days could be summed up: "maddeningly dull".

That concert-goers and readers are angry at reviewers are nothing new. But again is that social media has made that now even the reviewers will be watched and reviewed. And sometimes corrected.

Swedish Dagbladet's reviewer made fun of the Steve Nicks in his long, personal introduction to "Gypsy" - which turned out to be about her first time with Lindsey Buckingham - Confusing the 60's band when she started talking about the Velvet Underground.

But concert-goers informs in a comment to the concert review. As Stevie Nicks spoke of is the Velvet Underground, she mentions in the lyrics: a clothing store in downtown San Francisco.

Rock Critics seem to have concluded that constant connection makes it now needs less effort at work. Readers they are talking about the opposite.

Almost all the songs at concerts are also now on YouTube afterwards, the public tender.
It is no longer the critic who has the last word. To quote the title of Thomas Anderson's recent book on criticism: We are all critics.

The visitors to the Globe on Saturday that gave the best journalistic narrative of the concert was the person standing in front of the stage held up a camera phone during Lindsey Buckingham solo version of "Big Love".

With this simple tool to tool - a camera can be a pen, a pencil can be a camera - achieves this amateur critic as critic heel up in the gallery is not brokered.

Through this story we follow down to the concert floor.

We'll see Lindsey Buckingham tense temples. We can relive the exorcism he practices with his acoustic guitar. We can almost feel how it smelled in Stockholm on Saturday evening.

And when the person with the mobile camera at the end of the song turns around, we'll also see how the audience reacts to the performance.

Writing reviews is not just about making a thumbs up or thumbs down. The idea is to reproduce in detail.

These are things that, at least in the past, been the foundation of what critics do.

BellaDonna93 · #**127** 10-18-2009, 08:29 AM

Storms:

GrahnNicks · #**128** 10-18-2009, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StreetAngel86

this is an actual article printed in one of your newspapers??????

woah
i love the proliferation of youtube videos comment

and the Gypsy one...maybe something was a little lost in the translation there, do people really think that song is about SnL sex for real?

this was very interesting. thank u.

Yes, printed yesterday. Aftonbladet is the largest evening paper, with Expressen close behind. Svd, who this reporter mention in the Gypsy part, is the largest morning paper.

I think a little bit got lost in the translation, the original text in Svd talkes about when they moved to SF, not about sex, but the point is, the reviewer in Svd does'nt have a clue what Stevie is talking about...yet he's mocking her.

Anders Nunstedt, reporter at Expressen and one of two who were watching soccer parallell to the concert (and even published a photo of himself doing it...how smart was that?) and the cause of the debate, has had a very painful week, I can tall you that much

.

I think Jan Gradvall, the reporter above, is kind of brave to write this critical text about Anders Nunstedt (whos name is'nt mentioned, but everyone knows it's him). Nunstedt is after all a college at the same newspaper.
The mention of Svd is natural, they are rivals.

//Anna

CADreaming · #**129** 10-18-2009, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StreetAngel86

this is an actual article printed in one of your newspapers??????

woah
i love the proliferation of youtube videos comment

and the Gypsy one...maybe something was a little lost in the translation there, do people really think that song is about SnL sex for real?

this was very interesting. thank u.

ROFLOL about Gypsy! This how rumours get started...or maybe I should say this is how Rumours started.

I'm not sure I'll be able to listen to Gypsy without laughing the next time I hear it.

vivfox · #**130** 10-18-2009, 12:30 PM

Very interesting article on the idiot newspaper reviewers. Thank you for posting this.

Also nice to remember when Stevie sang to Mick, "take your Silver Springs and dig your grave" back in 1990.

ragrsrocalot · #**131** 10-18-2009, 06:25 PM

Great pics. Happy for all of you.

BellaDonna93 · #**132** 10-19-2009, 12:49 PM

My last vid, Silver Springs:

MrsMcVie · #**133** 10-22-2009, 03:32 PM

I managed to film one song in Stockholm before the camera died and hopefully the link works! The song is "Second hand news" and the soundquality isn´t that good, but I think the picture is pretty ok..

youtube.com/watch?v=ypZL-KlfgQU

If you like to see my pics from that night, just take a look in my photoalbum (the Unleashed tour section). You´ll find it here:

s88.photobucket.com/albums/k179/MrsMcVie/John McVie Heaven/