Stevie @ R n R Hall of Fame Ceremony

[The Tower]

Originally Posted by KateTheCursed

Excuse me, but pointing out a lack of tact and general disregard for feelings (because frankly to me it doesn't matter if Stevie never sees these comments...call it a belief in karma, call it what ever you like) does not make me some hyper-sensitive b*tch in need of inner examination.

I never said that.

So sorry if my basic manners somehow put a damper on your good fun.

Your manners didn't put a damper on anything- I just didn't want anyone to get the wrong impression.

But my heart and mind are just fine, thank you very much.

Glad to hear it.

You can dish out your humor, but you can't take anyone not being humored by it.

There is some truth to that- although I think it's more along the lines of people being offended by it (which is not my intent). I don't expect everyone to get my sense of humor, but I think I've been here long enough to support the fact that I love Stevie and her music, regardless of her turkey neck- which I don't have a problem with, but I have a suspicion that Stevie might.

So thank you so very, very, very much for telling me that perhaps I need to do a little soul searching because I think there could be a nicer way of commenting on someone's appearance.

You're welcome?

Originally Posted by sparky

You call yourself a FAN, buster ? You know as well as I do that true fans don't say critical, harsh, rude, or otherwise negative statements about Miss Stevie. Not even as jokes. Such things are simply not done. And you shall suffer the wrath.

Maybe I'm just channelling the long departed spirit of Carne.

After the wrath, get back to me about our wedding.

It's all nice and legal now, too. Well, it will be....

[Serrart]

Originally Posted by sparky

You call yourself a FAN, buster ? You know as well as I do that true fans don't say critical, harsh, rude, or otherwise negative statements about Miss Stevie. Not even as jokes. Such things are simply not done. And you shall suffer the wrath.

After the wrath, get back to me about our wedding.

Personally I have nothing against negative comments about Stevie, I love multiplicity of opinions, I learn a lot from it. Harsh or very rude comments about anyone (not Stevie in particular), famous or not, especially on someone's appearance are cheap and trite IMO, and as in life so on a board I don't like them, coming from a fan or not.

Romy

[MACFAN]

Bette Midler has'nt had any work done?

[dissention]

Originally Posted by MACFAN

Bette Midler has'nt had any work done?

I stood ten feet away from her and I don't believe for a second that she's had work done.

[earthdreamer]

I think she looks awesome!

[catinthedark]

Originally Posted by Serrart

Personally I have nothing against negative comments about Stevie, I love multiplicity of opinions, I learn a lot from it. Romy

Really? Personally, it bothers me. I get very protective. I also don't really get the whole "fan running down their so-called favourite star" thing.

Originally Posted by Serrart

Harsh or very rude comments about anyone (not Stevie in particular), famous or not, especially on someone's appearance are cheap and trite IMO, and as in life so on a board I don't like them, coming from a fan or not.

Okay. Now you're making sense to me. But don't your two statements contradict each other? Sorry - I'm not trying to be harsh. Just wondering.

[catinthedark]

And I should add... I thought Stevie looked stunning in those photos. And man, if I have skin like that at 57 (heck - if I had skin like that NOW!!), I'd be pretty content. And more power to her for not having work done - she clearly accepts herself for who she is and how she looks. More than many people around here...

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by Serrart

Personally I have nothing against negative comments about Stevie, I love multiplicity of opinions, I learn a lot from it. Harsh or very rude comments about anyone (not Stevie in particular), famous or not, especially on someone's appearance are cheap and trite IMO, and as in life so on a board I don't like them, coming from a fan or not.

Romy, I swear I'm going to switch teams and marry you.

Well, you know, as long as you're not opposed to polygamy... because I'm also committed to Hayley if I switch teams!

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by catinthedark

I also don't really get the whole "fan running down their so-called favourite star" thing.

It seems to be a defense-mechanism many people employ... especially when their favorite performer is someone who's often ridiculed. It's the old "laugh at them before someone else does it" thing (a variation of "laugh at yourself before someone else does it").

Either that or they're just jerks. But I don't like to believe that's the case.

Originally Posted by catinthedark

Okay. Now you're making sense to me. But don't your two statements contradict each other? Sorry - I'm not trying to be harsh. Just wondering.

I can't speak for Romy, but I think she's just trying to say that it's not the less-than-praising opinions about Stevie that she takes issue with, but, rather, the less-than-dignified comments rationalized as humour.

[amber]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

I can't speak for Romy, but I think she's just trying to say that it's not the less-than-praising opinions about Stevie that she takes issue with, but, rather, the less-than-dignified comments rationalized as humour.

Or, to put it simply, you can have a different opinion without being really cruel, or taking a really cheap shot - my philosophy is that there are usually plenty of personality/other reasons to criticize someone rather than comment unkindly on their looks - it's not clever, and it's mean, and you may be making fun of something they can't help.

[glitter_fades]

Originally Posted by dissention

I stood ten feet away from her and I don't believe for a second that she's had work done.

Get glasses! She admits it.

[Kelly]

I have never had a problem with differing opinions..such as "I hate this song or that one" or "I prefer her older voice". What I do find disturbing, is some "fans" lack of respect and empathy for a woman they say they love. We have all heard Stevie comment on how her weight gain affected her life, her self esteem, her desire to perform, her desire to write. She was deeply hurt a decade ago by the constant comments on her appearance and weight. Knowing that she is self conscious and very insecure with these types of things, you would think that her "fans" would want to be somewhat protective and loyal to her. Yes, she did use the scarf to cover up her neck so we KNOW it apparently bothers her. To then go on a fan board and call it her "gobble gobble neck" might seem funny to some but it seems cruel and disloyal to me. I am not saying that we need to defend her blindly or that we cannot tastefully critique her. "Loyalty" does not mean we have to say only nice things about her, that we can't ever make fun of things, like her dress or her reeboks. Stevie has a great sense of humour so humour is fine on the boards. However, to make the one subject that Stevie has said distresses and hurts her deeply, the constant source of the jokes, seems cruel in my world. Try and put yourself in her shoes. (insert Reebok joke here..stuff like that is hysterical) She cannot change the fact she is aging. She has expressed a fear of plastic surgery. Her body is changing and that is life. I am not there to look at her body..I am there to hear her voice, listen to her words. Just try and give her a break once in awhile....because iff you look at it honestly, this forum is filled with quite alot of insulting comments directed at Stevie's physical appearance under the guise of humour.

*bracing myself for attacks...I am sure I will be called a chiffonhead who can't accept any of her faults and then told to just go away if I don't like it**

[GardenStateGirlie]

Originally Posted by dissention

I stood ten feet away from her and I don't believe for a second that she's had work done.

Yet Stevie's face is a Picasso?? Good lord, child. We ought to buy you another pair of glasses--a pair that works I have been up in this womans face with my own eyes and my camera and you can totally see that she's an older woman. Yes, she's aging and yes she's in the public eye but she's aging pretty damn well and rather gracefully might I add. Her skin is amazing and while I would assume she's had chemical peels and perhaps a little botox (and even that i'm not 100% sure of), there's no doubt in my mind that she takes excellent care of her skin and has yet to take the plunge under the knife where her face is concerned. Why are we even discussing this again for the 500th time?? :yawn:

[dissention]

Originally Posted by glitter_fades

Get glasses! She admits it.

Where, dear? She's vehemently denied it since "Bette" premiered.

"I often joke in public and onstage about whether I've had plastic surgery or liposuction. But I can honestly say I've had neither. The idea of being under the knife or a hose for lipo, makes me feel ill."

One viewing of The Stepford Wives, her performance of Wind Beneath My Wings after 9/11, or her appearance on Inside the Actor's Studio is proof-postive enough that she hasn't had anything invasive done. I'm sure she uses botox and the like, and has non-surgical face lifts, but I think that's about it.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by GardenStateGirlie

Yet Stevie's face is a Picasso?? Good lord, child. We ought to buy you another pair of glasses--a pair that works I have been up in this womans face with my own eyes and my camera and you can totally see that she's an older woman. Yes, she's aging and yes she's in the public eye but she's aging pretty damn well and rather gracefully might I add. Her skin is amazing and while I would assume she's had chemical peels and perhaps a little botox (and even that i'm not 100% sure of), there's no doubt in my mind that she takes excellent care of her skin and has yet to take the plunge under the knife where her face is concerned. Why are we even discussing this again for the 500th time?? :yawn:

Darling, I think she had work done after Street Angel. To what extent, I have no idea (though my money is on an eye lift) but no one will ever convince me otherwise.