The doc!!!

[clooney]

Wow, this thread is HUGE! I'll add a few things:

What I like most about the documentary is that everyone came off as real, normal people. Especially the phone conversation with Tony and the whole "pointing fingers" argument. It gave me a whole new perspective on them. I got to see them argue, cry, laugh... And they didn't seem phased by the cameras.

Some of my favorite moments were when about his car, Lindsey asked John "How fast does it go?", John's response was...a silent beat, then he said "55". Hahhahahaaa! Great comedic timing! And I love the kick Stevie got out of the singing fish. Reminded me of the big kick my Dad gets out of it! The same reaction.

Lindsey did a good job of diplomatically handling his suggestion that Stevie change the tense of her prose. I can see how it is a delicate situation to make such suggestions to artists.

I think that the backing vocals and harmonies that everyone has been commenting on, yes, probably are just initial rough drafts and that probably were changed or rerecorded later. I would like to have seen that metamorphosis from raw to greatness. Yes, as a barbershopper and community theater actor myself, they should sing standing up. But Lindsey and Stevie are so good at wrapping their voices around each others, I think they just know exactly what to do. One question I have and wish they had touched on is: Do they write out the harmony parts or do they just wing it? Making it up as they go along? I wish the documentary had shown how the songs are actually constructed and written. Books on The Beatles have always been very good at showing that.

The whole mixing controversy was interesting. I wish they had worked with Richard Dashut like they had for 30 years. Why they decided to take a whole new route seems odd to me. Where is Richard?????? I think his presence would have made the songs more layered and polished, ala Out of the Cradle.

Someone commented on Kristen being a snob. I didn't get that. They only showed her for a few seconds. Maybe she is just shy and/or concerned about the kiddos. Maybe she said a lot on camera, but it was edited out.

For the double album, maybe they could have done what Guns and Roses did and issue two albums simultaneouly, Use Your Illusion I and II, hahhahahahaa!

About VH1, yes the editing was a bit choppy, especially when they edited songs being performed. They had way too many shots of the house like The Real World or something and those goofy time elapsed shots. I also didn't like how their logo at the bottom right was blocking some of the informative words on the bottom of the screen. Their logo blocked out the information on the kids singing. And I loved seeing the kids and wanted to know more about them.

Excellent show, though. NEED MORE!!!!!!! (In a slow, low, monster-y voice) Hhahhahahaa!

Chris

[princessblair]

My friend watched the documentary to get up to speed for the Green Bay concert. She was upset that all of Lindsey's shirts were stretched out around the neck She also thought that he seemed to be fidgety. I thought it was fun to see them as they really are. I especially enjoyed Stevie's yorkies (I have one myself) jamming with the band. The dogs are everywhere! It reminds me how our dog follows my mom into the bathroom... Stevie laughing at the singing fish is priceless! My friends had one of those and they "skinned" it by removing most of the plastic on it, so basically it was a singing fish skeleton (I have weird friends). I've always wondered who the singing kids are on Say You Will...they showed John's daughter Molly, does anyone know who the others were? It was cute how Stevie was directing them I can't wait for another summer of shows!

[diamondsnake]

Originally posted by BBALLGYPSY17
WOW. That was incredible. More ways then one. The politics and the pull always dragged me back here. Let's talk a little chemistry...

I miss Chris, but with all due respect and depending on how you look at it, her absence doesn't hinder FM as much as it makes them a lot more raw, musically and otherwise. I'm still seeing two couples here. Two pairs of soulmates, interpret that however you'd like
Mick was never the 'third wheel', Chris was. She brought style, grace, and suddelty into the fold, but she's still understated, like John. When I look at the band visually I kind of divide it Stevie and Mick on one side and John and Chris on the other, dreamers v.s. realists. Lindsey's always in the middle and pulling more to the right with the realists despite how philosophical he is and because of the fact he compliments Stevie by nature.
But the 'married couple' bickering that John and Mick do is just as obvious and really makes me raise my eyebrows at the comment by John years back, "The only two people that haven't slept together are Lindsey and I, and there's still time for that" Though, again, Lindsey and John would make about as much sense as John and Chris did or that Mick and Stevie did because there's not that black and white.
Now MUSICALLY, my god do I feel like a twirp. I don't have the album yet, and the best I've done as a fan is see the concert this past summer at the Xcel Energy Center in Minnesota... BUT...I think it's about time I came back to worship

~alex~*...Bitch is back.

Are you implying that Mick and John are lovers?

[BBALLGYPSY17]

Catch that did ya? I merely said the chemistry is about that hot. Not B/Nisque or anything, but in it's own little way...And yet, One could never know what happened back in the day if they got smashed enough. Stranger things could happen

[EnchantedSLN]

Originally posted by princessblair
I've always wondered who the singing kids are on Say You Will...they showed John's daughter Molly, does anyone know who the others were?

The girl in the middle is Stevie's niece, Jessica. The other girl was a friend of hers named Maddy.

[The Tower]

Originally posted by Mike B
Also, what was that Lindsey said about only being paid royalties for 12 songs on an album? Huh? Is that a standard thing or a deal they had worked out or what?

In the old days (mid nineties and older), artists' album royalties were based on being paid for ten songs. If an artist released an album with twelve songs, they would be paid the same amount as if they released only ten songs. Why he said twelve, I don't know- maybe the recording industry upped in in the last couple of years. This is a standard policy throughout the record industry, although I have heard of some very rare exceptions.

This explains why most artists limited their releases to ten-ish songs. One could hold other songs that didn't make the cut (but were good enough to be released on an album) for future releases. How many times did Stevie/FM make demos of "Destiny", "Smile at You", "Think About It", etc. before they actually made it onto albums??

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by The Tower
In the old days (mid nineties and older), artists' album royalties were based on being paid for ten songs. If an artist released an album with twelve songs, they would be paid the same amount as if they released only ten songs. Why he said twelve, I don't know- maybe the recording industry upped in in the last couple of years. This is a standard policy throughout the record industry, although I have heard of some very rare exceptions.

This explains why most artists limited their releases to ten-ish songs. One could hold other songs that didn't make the cut (but were good enough to be released on an album) for future releases. How many times did Stevie/FM make demos of "Destiny", "Smile at You", "Think About It", etc. before they actually made it onto albums??

Also, when SN put 13 on TISL - she said "no one puts 13 songs on a record."

[Livia]

The other thing about royalties is that the writer collects $ from radio airplay. The more songs you have on an album, the more singles you can release. And cha-ching$!$

[cliffdweller]

Originally posted by WelshWitchPMD
I think it was about 10 minutes too short.

Yeah, I guess they wanted to get in all the advertising that was lost during the show.

I thought it was a good show, except it was a little too heavy on the whole double album controversy. I would have liked more studio footage of the actual making of the record and less Lindsey whining, ( ) but all in all, it was a well made documentary.

[cliffdweller]

Originally posted by Livia
LB saying to SN - "Keep going, girl!" And for the record, I think they liked Silver Girl.

I know, and I was flabbergasted!! Lindsey seemed to really love it, how WEIRD.

The Farrah bangs had me in stitches. That must've been during their "growing out" phase,....we've all been there.

How about Stevie's outfits? She looked fabulous every day of recording and then when she finally goes on stage for their first show she has the black, Morticia Adams number on. It's like huh?!?!?!?

[dissention]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
One that can be considered a "true" double ("true" in that the second disc doesnt merely contain alternate mixes, live tracks or video-clips), is Outkast's 'Speakerboxxx/The Love Below,' and the list price on that is $21.98... and a great chunk of the material included, can be considered filler (interludes, etc).

I've NEVER seen the Outkast album sell for $21.98, I think you're talking about the suggested retail price. Many, many single disc albums have the same suggested retail price, so I don't see the argument. These days, a double album is any album with an extra disc, IMO. The last Shania Twain album had two discs, as does the Outkast one. The argument that it's too expensive just doesn't hold water. I suspect that they thought a new double album from a classic rock abnd wouldn't do so hot, but I'll respectfully disagree; it would have sold the number of units.

[ShangriLaTroubl]

I loved her outfits as well..she should try them out on stage...I loved the ones she wore in rehearsals too...she looked hot...and for all these months she was sporting these cool groovy like retro outfits...and goes on stage with the mrs. black dress herself

Chris

[cliffdweller]

Originally posted by dissention
My favorite part of the whole show was when they worked on "Goodbye Baby," just Stevie and Lindsey. Lindsey was sitting in his chair, playing his guitar, and Stevie was sitting on the couch and singing.

I KNOW!!! And imagine how many times they've done that in their lives: only Stevie, Lindsey, his guitar. I mean, every since Buckingham Nicks!! I just got this incredible sense of time, how far they've come, and still, all it comes down to is that simple equation. It gives me chills!

[ShangriLaTroubl]

Shania Twains last album had one disc, and the second disc was the exact same songs as disc 1...one disc was pop mixes and one disc country mixes...

I think basically Stevie said it right...the MAJORITY of 40-50 somethings would not buy a $21 double album...my mom as an example : LOVES Fleetwood Mac, (of course she doesnt have to buy them cuz i have them)...if she went to the store, the fan she is, and saw a NEW CD by Fleetwood Mac priced at that...she wouldnt say I HAVE TO HAVE THIS...but if it was say $15 it wouldnt seem like the same type of indulgence...

You cant compare Fleetwood Mac to Outkast..Fleetwood Mac doesnt have the MTV and radio exposure Outkast has..I dunno I assume Outkast's album selling at regular price is because of the huge appeal to young audiences they do have...They sell more albums...they get all this FREE publicity (magazines, interviews etc) that the Mac doesnt get so much anymore...so it is logical that Fleetwood Mac and their label want to keep the cost down on their CD, because deep down they realize it wont make them ALL THAT MUCH money...just my thoughts

Chris

[gldstwmn]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
Uhm... how did I miss that part?

Are we talking about her first day at the Bellagio House?
She played "Destiny Rules" (we hear the opening, before the vocals would kick in), "Say You Will," and "Silver Girl."

Throughout the rest of the doc, the only additional Stevie songs we hear being recorded/worked out are "Thrown Down," "Illume" and "Goodbye Baby."
Then we also get to hear some of "Everybody Finds Out" at Chris Lord-Alge's studio, and as they're rehearsing it.

But I didn't catch "Running Through The Garden" anywhere.

I'm going to have to watch it again and tell you where it is in there.