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I think she liked Lindsey being in charge. She always preferred being a side~man~.
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When you listen to her body of work without him, I feel (at times) he absolutely diminished her.
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Even in the early days with Fleetwood Mac, she played more of a supporting role, with singing and songwriting being more of a formality. Danny dominated FG and BT and Bob became the dominant creative force with MTM and HAHTF. Penguin was the exception, where Christine being more of an equal force in the band, but then she reverted back to being more of a supporting character in the band. All of which makes her being the one with the breakthrough hit single and the most singles all the more crazy. It wasn’t Bob, Stevie, or Lindsey, it was Christine.
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And if you look at Penguin to Heroes, you see the sheer quality of her work.
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I don't think she enjoyed singing in Chicken Shack, she had very little confidence in her voice at that time. You may be right that Mike Vernon may have pushed her a bit..? Also stan was so odd, and he couldn't sing well... and maybe turned some people off with his antics. chris i think had that 'girl next door' appeal that audiences probably got into, and that sultry voice. i think she far preferred being the supporting character. she said Over My Head was the last song they ever thought would be a single. mick and John have both said she was not the type of girl you could push around, but at the same time when she was younger I think she was not as strong in terms of her professional career...she felt pushed into the solo album, etc...and it was very much a man's world back then. I think by dressing 'tomboyishly' she was trying NOT to draw attention to herself. She said in 1968 that 'the one thing John did to change me was to get me to dress more like a girl' lol. but even in later years, she would be the first to say she preferred to be in jeans. she was never a girly girl. which maybe was why she was able to function as well as she did on the road in the early days, with no frills. --Lis |
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On a similar note, once Fleetwood Mac moved to Los Angeles, was suddenly in Top 40 with HAHTF, and touring with Jefferson Starship (as opposed to Deep Purple), I have no doubt there was pressure on Christine to become more of a Grace Slick type front-woman. So, when there was suddenly the prospect of a girly-girl front-woman to own that lane joining Fleetwood Mac, I bet Christine was absolutely relieved, if not thrilled. That had to take enormous pressure off her.
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i am glad i managed to see Lindsey in Cleveland, Philly and Charlottesville on his spring 2022 leg. i had tickets for Tysons which is the closest to me, but that was the show that got cancelled because of COVID. same with several shows i had tickets for in November 2022 which were all cancelled because of COVID. still happy for people in Europe who at least got Berlin and London... when i read their reviews talking about all the solo songs it just dawned on me how they never had a chance to hear his solo songs live before and how lucky we are stateside.
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Do you think Mick or John ever told Lindsey that he disrespected Christine in that way?
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Are her songs generally improved by Lindsey’s presence? Yes—and that’s because of his energy. His freneticism alongside her ultra cool is magic. But—the ideas and the craftsmanship of the songs are all hers. In fact, sometimes, IMO, his presence did NOT improve a song. He knew how to make them radio darlings but sometimes at the cost of muting her keyboards or mucking with her voice. |
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Having said that, they really work well together. Lots of magic.
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You note that she played down any girliness in those early days. I definitely see that from her initial tours with FM. There are times when she altered her voice to sound like a male belter! Live versions of “Crazy Bout You Baby” (Madison Blues) bear this out. Her vocal attack on Morning Rain is straight-up butch. It appears to have been a choice since an earlier version (called “Start Again”) shows her singing more like the woman we came to know on later albums. (The earlier version is also in a higher key.) I think when she started, she was super-conscious of joining an all-male guitar-heavy band with a history of tough blues. She wanted to support that legacy while making her niche. It took a few years (1973) to fully realize her style. |
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Christine, at most, occasionally needed an editor and benefited from the aesthetic touches Lindsey brought to her songs. I still think if there had been time to be forward thinking, “Come A Little Bit Closer” would have been an FM radio staple. But, they had bigger problems to contend with.
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John has publicly stated he felt disrespected by Lindsey and Mick had to tell Lindsey on more than one occasion that he was part of a band and having others playing on his songs was the expectation.
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One of the Stevie biography books says Tom Moncrieff developed Stevie's ideas and then Stevie presented the developed recordings to Lindsey. Example was Sara and Smile At You.
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