Stevie - MOJO - 'The Story Behind Christine McVie's Live Return'

[elle]

Originally Posted by redtulip

The magazine(?) is trying to create buzz and interest in their article, which appears to have worked. And since when did Lindsey have so much power in the band? He wasn't the reason they toured this year instead of last and he wasn't the reason they didn't record a full length album. If the others wanted Christine to do more there is plenty of pull between the three of them to make that happen.

exactly.

[Lindsfan]

Originally Posted by Phil

Is it just possible that Lindsey may have been attempting to force Christine's hand by encouraging her to join them onstage in a full-time capacity, at least during the UK leg? Maybe he was secretly hoping for more rather than less?

No. Lindsey would never do that because he's such a dick. He's all about his ego.

[applebucked]

Originally Posted by Lindsfan

No. Lindsey would never do that because he's such a dick. He's all about his ego.

Here we go again.

Elle, just sent you a PM.

[elle]

Originally Posted by applebucked

Here we go again.

Elle, just sent you a PM.

saw, thanks! will think about it and get back to you. probably on twitter, my PM box here is almost full.

[Lindsfan]

Originally Posted by APerfectLie

I actually believe those exact words probably came out of Lindsey's mouth and they probably came out of his mouth during SYW too. And I'm usually not one to take Lindsey's side, but I have to agree with him on this one. Her leaving the band sucked for us, but imagine being in that band and finally making your comeback and then a key player saying she's done. It changed their dynamic, it changed their future, and her choice to leave the band affected all of them artistically, emotionally, and financially. I think Lindsey adores Chris and would gladly welcome her back to the band any day, but he doesn't want her to just "come and go" without putting some skin in the game and actually being in the band. If she is done, she needs to be done. She can't record SYW with them and then not tour, she can't do full shows in London but not any other city, and Fleetwood Mac can't cater to someone who is no longer part of the band. If she wants to do anything more than a few appearances during Don't Stop then she needs to actually rejoin the band and be in the band. And I think Chris feels the exact same way. It was probably Stevie (and also Mick) saying, "Oh let's have her do the whole show!!" and Lindsey keeping them in check. I love Chris and would love any involvement she has with the Mac in the future, but I can see why Lindsey isn't so open to it.

Interesting take, with Lindsey actually being on Chris's side, and shouldering the blame anyway. That reminds me of the scene in Destiny Rules where Lindsey says why should it be any different now? Why shouldn't he be the bad guy?

Originally Posted by redtulip

Really? This again? I know plenty of fans who are there for him, or Mick, or even John. Yes, we all know Stevie has a larger fan base but she's not playing these huge arenas on her own so I'm not sure how you can say most people are not there for Lindsey and imply they are there for Stevie. If anything, I'd say most fans are there for the combination of Lindsey, Stevie, Mick and John. There have been plenty of reviews that have said Lindsey stole the show, so I doubt the tour would be as successful without him.

As for the article, I don't think there is enough information to start jumping all over Lindsey. There are no direct quotes from Stevie saying Lindsey said what the article implies. The magazine(?) is trying to create buzz and interest in their article, which appears to have worked. And since when did Lindsey have so much power in the band? He wasn't the reason they toured this year instead of last and he wasn't the reason they didn't record a full length album. If the others wanted Christine to do more there is plenty of pull between the three of them to make that happen.

Excellent point!

[Lindsfan]

Originally Posted by applebucked

Here we go again.

I kid...

Originally Posted by applebucked

Elle, just sent you a PM.

Did you cc me?

[elle]

Originally Posted by Lindsfan

I kid...



Did you cc me?

nope. just me and applebucked have our lovefest going, without you.

[Lindsfan]

Originally Posted by applebucked

Here we go again.

Elle, just sent you a PM.

Originally Posted by elle

nope. just me and applebucked have our lovefest going, without you.

Well...carry on, then

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by redtulip

If the others wanted Christine to do more there is plenty of pull between the three of them to make that happen.

But she wouldn't. They outnumber Lindsey, but if he was resistant, I think she would back off pretty fast. The other 3 can outvote Lindsey, but if he wanted her to do it, I think she would (just based on her unexpected level of participation in Hawaii) and if he wasn't open -- or she thought he wasn't -- then I don't think she would, no matter what the other three were begging. I'm not saying the other three were begging, but I do think it wouldn't matter if they all wanted her to do more songs, if she knew Lindsey might not want that. I do think his preference has weight with her. More than Stevie's? Yes, as far as Chris is concerned. She would defer. If he felt that way -- I hope he didn't.

But in the contract negotiating world does Lindsey have more weight than Stevie in the band? No, not at all. I agree with the argument that he doesn't have the power in that respect.

Michele

[applebucked]

Originally Posted by michelej1

But she wouldn't. They outnumber Lindsey, but if he was resistant, I think she would back off pretty fast. The other 3 can outvote Lindsey, but if he wanted her to do it, I think she would (just based on her unexpected level of participation in Hawaii) and if he wasn't open -- or she thought he wasn't -- then I don't think she would, no matter what the other three were begging. I'm not saying the other three were begging, but I do think it wouldn't matter if they all wanted her to do more songs, if she knew Lindsey might not want that. I do think his preference has weight with her. More than Stevie's? Yes, as far as Chris is concerned. She would defer. If he felt that way -- I hope he didn't.

But in the contract negotiating world does Lindsey have more weight than Stevie in the band? No, not at all. I agree with the argument that he doesn't have the power in that respect.

Which is why I wish for Lindsey and Christine to initiate a conversation about this. Say what they want to say, what does the other want for the other to agree, then get the rest involved and come up with a decision.

Or more likely, Mick gets them to talk.

[Rod~A~Little]

And, plus, Lindsey's vocals are totally shot on this 2013 tour; you'd think he'd welcome another person to do some of the vocal heavy-lifting.

[applebucked]

Originally Posted by Rod~A~Little

And, plus, Lindsey's vocals are totally shot on this 2013 tour; you'd think he'd welcome another person to do some of the vocal heavy-lifting.

And Chris is the perfect person to do that. She lost some of her upper range (she failed to hit the high note during the "I'm not bound..." part of the song), but her voice is the most intact among the three. Just needs to adjust to it again because a full show would probably strain her.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by nicole21290

[I]Lindsey Buckingham nearly blocked last night’s onstage reunion, reveals Stevie Nicks in MOJO scoop.

That seems like an intentionally alarmist comment intended to generate readership to me.

Speaking in an interview to be published in MOJO 241 (UK shelf date October 29) the diminutive Mac singer confirmed that while McVie, who left the group in 1998, has “just returned to do one song” it could have been “a few songs” if it hadn’t been for one particular stumbling block.

“Lindsey [Buckingham] is very funny about that,” Nicks told MOJO’s James McNair. “I think his words were ‘She can’t just come and go’. That’s important to him, but it’s not quite so important to me. Much as Lindsey adores her; and he does – she’s the only one in Fleetwood Mac he was ever willing to listen to – he doesn’t want the first night reviews to be all about Christine’s one song, rather than the set we rehearsed for two months.”

There's a lot of context here that I don't think we're getting, maybe intentionally, maybe Stevie wasn't being entirely clear. The whole statement comes out as Lindsey wouldn't let Christine do more songs (from their current set) with them, giving it a sense of friction between the two. However, if dissected a bit, one comment makes it sound like Christine would have done more songs, and another makes it sound like she would have done all three nights in London. In both of those instances, Lindsey has a point and is not slighting Christine. Christine's not in the band anymore, and should be a special guest, not the primary focus.

I think it's fair that Lindsey insisted the first London show be about the group that's been touring. It's not a slight against Christine. If she decided to come back full time, and it meant that there would be more in the way of Fleetwood Mac albums and tours, I think Lindsey would be all for it at this point. However, that's not the case, and it seems entirely appropriate that the current Fleetwood Mac have one show to themselves. That's what the primary focus should be.

"A few songs," could just mean the additions of SYLM, YMLF, Songbird, and/or Everywhere. In THAT context, "she can't just come and go" could mean "we're not going to rehearse more songs that will only get played on few nights" which also makes sense and is also not a slight against Christine. It's their tour, and she's the special guest.

I mean, it would be totally cool if Lindsey were like Stevie and didn't care about that, but he's not necessarily wrong or being a jerk because he does. They've had to work hard to establish that the band is a quartet now, that Christine's gone.

At this point, I take every interview with a grain of salt, and this one is no exception.

[redtulip]

Originally Posted by Rod~A~Little

And, plus, Lindsey's vocals are totally shot on this 2013 tour; you'd think he'd welcome another person to do some of the vocal heavy-lifting.

His vocals sound great to me. But by that reasoning Stevie should be working overtime to get Christine back for help on the vocal heavy-lifting.

[Deeshere]

Originally Posted by elle

first, we don't really know what she said.

second, read all the comments all over the board from people saying how he's a dick etc... so even if you may not see it, other people do.

frankly, if what the article implies is in fact true, i too will jump onboard with others thinking he's a dick, and not very smart either.

OK..Here I go because I always have to take up for the underdog and on this board Lindsey IS the underdog. If you guy were shredding Stevie(or any other member of the band) I would be taking up for them too.

First, your right we don't really know what she said, nor do we know what question she was asked. But I do tend to believe the quote was used correctly. Why? Well it does sound like a Lindsey comment (the guy needs to remember when he's talking to Stevie, he might as well be talking to the press a lot of the time (not always) but a lot).

Secondly, I was kinda surprised too (thought not sure why?) at how nasty the comments were about Lindsey, and how fast the crucify Lindsey train started to move. It went from 0-60 mph in only a few minutes.

Lastly, as much as I love Christine and would love her to join Fleetwood Mac, I totally get Lindsey problem with her coming and going. If you worked your butt off rehearsing for a show for months trying to make sure the music sounds great, the stage lighting and special effects looked good and coordinated with the music etc... (and Stevie has said that Lindsey is the one that's in charge of all of that). Imagine how you would feel if a beloved band member made or started to make special appearances with the band. The show then becomes ALL about Christine's special appearances and all your hard work, as well as the music is pushed to the side.

The publicity over the last few weeks about "will Christine play or not play" has been enormous (and with good reason as she's not played with the band in 15 years) but it completely overshadowed the September 25, 2013 show, and now everyone is waiting to see if Christine will play in tomorrows show or not. All the hard work Lindsey has put in to make the show great has/is being over shadowed by Christine showing up and playing a song or two (or she could play the whole show it would have the same effect).

You can call it petty or egotistical (and it actually is) but I know a lot of people that would be just as ticked off for working really hard on a show and then having that work be virtually ignored because a coworker showed up and stole the show. And you have to remember that to Lindsey, Christine is a COWORKER/FRIEND. To us the fan she's much, much more, but not to Lindsey. Bottom line is when you do a good job, you want that work to be recognized and if someone comes in from time to time and steals your thunder, I can see how ANYONE (not just Lindsey) would/could get upset about it.