NY governor scandal

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Steviefan49

Not to get anything "going" again here.. but I have just one question for you, regarding those above statements you made..: If you were to find out that the person you've spent say- the last 15 years or so of your life with, who "supposedly" you share children/ and or your life with, pulls this crap, that ES pulled on his poor wife, and it all comes out through a "wire" that was on him in this scandal, and YOU then find out about it. How would you look and feel? Would you SLEEP the night before? Would you feel like having your make up done "just so" - like you're ready for a magazine photo shoot somewhere, KNOWING there were going to be tons of people there? Would you feel maybe like you want to throw up all over the place because your entire life/ world is being turned upside down?? Maybe considering all of this, you just may re-think those sayings.. LOL.. And it's all said out of kindness, as I'm not out to be vicious at all. I totally agree with the rest of what you said.. but that I just can't swallow..

I would look great for it if for no other reason than I am vain

And, this woman has been in politics and, therefore, aware of the cameras and how to manipulate them for a very, very long time. I also highly doubt she does her own make up for a press conference, though it looks like she did that day.

Note - I am not saying it would have been easy for her. I am just saying it would have portrayed her in a better light.

Also, without further evidence, I really do not think she did not suspect or perhaps know something. I mean the latest reports state that he spent likely $40,000+ on this. How could she not notice that But, who knows and I certainly was not there.

[JWS]

Originally Posted by Steviefan49

LOLOL.. I think the only "seat" he can get appointed to at this time, is a toilet seat!

No seriously. It's a long-shot, but hypothetically, when ES resigns as Governor, the Lt Governor takes over. If Hillary wins in November, her NY senate seat will be vacated. The new Governor (also a Dem) could appoint ES for the duration of Hillary's senate term....by which time he will be rehabilitated.

[strandinthewind]

OK - this is fabulous is its craziness Also, I LOVE the bolded part

'Hollywood Madam' Heidi Fleiss: Client 9 Is an Arrogant Jerk
Tuesday , March 11, 2008

By Sara Bonisteel


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She's American, petite, very pretty, brunette, 5-foot-5 and 105 pounds.

That's about all that's known about "Kristen," the prostitute who had a pre-Valentine's Day tryst with "Client 9," a man listed in an unsealed complaint and widely alleged to be New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer.

Former Hollywood Madam Heidi Fleiss thinks she knows the type.

"Every woman's a hooker, every woman's a hooker," Fleiss told FOXNews.com Tuesday. "Naturally, you meet someone, and you just gotta use your best judgment."

Fleiss, who once had her own stable of beauties catering to the sexual whims of Hollywood's high and mighty, said that in this situation, it's Client 9 who comes off as the jerk.

"Trust and believe, there's people much more successful than him with a lot more to lose that see call girls, and no one will ever rat them out because they treat call girls with respect and decency," Fleiss said.

"This guy seems like an arrogant pr---."

Client 9's rendezvous with Kristen at Washington D.C.'s Mayflower Hotel is detailed within a criminal complaint filed March 5 that lists Temeka Rachelle Lewis as one of four people alleged to have run Emperors Club VIP, an upscale escort service that charged thousands for the services of its "spokesmodels."

Click here to read the criminal complaint.

Yusill Scribner, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Attorney's Office, declined to comment when asked Tuesday whether charges would be forthcoming against Kristen or any of the other women identified by first names in the complaint.

Kristen shows she's a realist when it comes to her occupation as a high-class hooker.

"I am not a ... moron, you know what I mean," she said in a conversation intercepted by the FBI. "So maybe that's why girls maybe think they're difficult. ... That's what it is, because you're here for a [purpose]. Let's not get it twisted — I know what I do, you know."

Kristen made her comments on Feb. 14 after Lewis asked if Client 9 was difficult, according to the complaint.

"I don't think he's difficult," Kristen told her. "I mean it's just kind of like ... whatever ... I'm here for a purpose. I know what my purpose is."

Lewis seemed surprised by her answers.

"You look at it very uniquely, because ... no one ever says it that way," she said, asking Kristen if Client 9 "would ask you to do things that, like, you might not think were safe — you know — I mean that ... very basic things."

The call girl responded: "I have a way of dealing with that ... I'd be like listen dude, you really want the sex? ... You know what I mean."

Fleiss said comments like that reveal just what kind of person Client 9 really is.

"He seems like the type that was always trying to give all the pain or change the price or not use a condom," she said. "It's above the law."

Emperors Club VIP funneled funds through an account set up in the name of a dummy corporation, according to the complaint.

Fleiss, who now runs a laundromat in Pahrump, Nev., called Dirty Laundry, said it would have been easier if they had stuck to cash.

"I had two or three clients that paid with checks," she said. "Of course, one was Charlie Sheen. Everyone knows it because he paid by check. If he'd used cash no one would have ever found out."

The former Hollywood Madam, who at 27 had an empire netting $10 million a year, joined a chorus calling for Spitzer's resignation Tuesday.

"How can you be in office, when you're so misleading?" Fleiss said. "You have to adhere to different standards, first of all, when you're in office ... and he was very aggressive in pursuing prostitution rings, which we know in this instance seems like adults doing adult things."

She's not holding her breath on the possibility of criminal punishment.

"Nothing ever happens to the men, you know how it goes," Fleiss said. "Like I said, I don't recommend prostitution as a career at all, but I think it's absolutely set up wrong how the women are the only ones that get beat down. ..."

"There are so many different forms of prostitution," she added. "Politicians are the biggest whores on earth. They'll change their opinion for any amount of money, you know."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,336909,00.html

[Steviefan49]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I would look great for it if for no other reason than I am vain
And, this woman has been in politics and, therefore, aware of the cameras and how to manipulate them for a very, very long time. I also highly doubt she does her own make up for a press conference, though it looks like she did that day.

Note - I am not saying it would have been easy for her. I am just saying it would have portrayed her in a better light.

Also, without further evidence, I really do not think she did not suspect or perhaps know something. I mean the latest reports state that he spent likely $40,000+ on this. How could she not notice that But, who knows and I certainly was not there.

Well honey.. I don't know about you - but as vain as I am too, you can know for a fact that I wouldn't have even THOUGHT of having my makeup done, or anything else, due to the fact that I would have probably been up all night long, (thinking, drinking, or Lord knows what) upon finding out THAT news! LOL.. That's a pretty big pill to swallow, no matter HOW naturally gorgeous I am.. LOL -(cough, cough) As Suze said in a earlier post, which I agree with her on- she was doing "GREAT" just to stand next to that hypocrital- sob without castrating him right then and there!

[JWS]

Well, if anybody is an authority on this subject it's Heidi Fleiss.

[Steviefan49]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

OK - this is fabulous is its craziness Also, I LOVE the bolded part

'Hollywood Madam' Heidi Fleiss: Client 9 Is an Arrogant Jerk
Tuesday , March 11, 2008

By Sara Bonisteel


ADVERTISEMENT
She's American, petite, very pretty, brunette, 5-foot-5 and 105 pounds.

That's about all that's known about "Kristen," the prostitute who had a pre-Valentine's Day tryst with "Client 9," a man listed in an unsealed complaint and widely alleged to be New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer.

Former Hollywood Madam Heidi Fleiss thinks she knows the type.

"Every woman's a hooker, every woman's a hooker," Fleiss told FOXNews.com Tuesday. "Naturally, you meet someone, and you just gotta use your best judgment."

Fleiss, who once had her own stable of beauties catering to the sexual whims of Hollywood's high and mighty, said that in this situation, it's Client 9 who comes off as the jerk.

"Trust and believe, there's people much more successful than him with a lot more to lose that see call girls, and no one will ever rat them out because they treat call girls with respect and decency," Fleiss said.

"This guy seems like an arrogant pr---."

Client 9's rendezvous with Kristen at Washington D.C.'s Mayflower Hotel is detailed within a criminal complaint filed March 5 that lists Temeka Rachelle Lewis as one of four people alleged to have run Emperors Club VIP, an upscale escort service that charged thousands for the services of its "spokesmodels."

Click here to read the criminal complaint.

Yusill Scribner, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Attorney's Office, declined to comment when asked Tuesday whether charges would be forthcoming against Kristen or any of the other women identified by first names in the complaint.

Kristen shows she's a realist when it comes to her occupation as a high-class hooker.

"I am not a ... moron, you know what I mean," she said in a conversation intercepted by the FBI. "So maybe that's why girls maybe think they're difficult. ... That's what it is, because you're here for a [purpose]. Let's not get it twisted — I know what I do, you know."

Kristen made her comments on Feb. 14 after Lewis asked if Client 9 was difficult, according to the complaint.

"I don't think he's difficult," Kristen told her. "I mean it's just kind of like ... whatever ... I'm here for a purpose. I know what my purpose is."

Lewis seemed surprised by her answers.

"You look at it very uniquely, because ... no one ever says it that way," she said, asking Kristen if Client 9 "would ask you to do things that, like, you might not think were safe — you know — I mean that ... very basic things."

The call girl responded: "I have a way of dealing with that ... I'd be like listen dude, you really want the sex? ... You know what I mean."

Fleiss said comments like that reveal just what kind of person Client 9 really is.

"He seems like the type that was always trying to give all the pain or change the price or not use a condom," she said. "It's above the law."

Emperors Club VIP funneled funds through an account set up in the name of a dummy corporation, according to the complaint.

Fleiss, who now runs a laundromat in Pahrump, Nev., called Dirty Laundry, said it would have been easier if they had stuck to cash.

"I had two or three clients that paid with checks," she said. "Of course, one was Charlie Sheen. Everyone knows it because he paid by check. If he'd used cash no one would have ever found out."

The former Hollywood Madam, who at 27 had an empire netting $10 million a year, joined a chorus calling for Spitzer's resignation Tuesday.

"How can you be in office, when you're so misleading?" Fleiss said. "You have to adhere to different standards, first of all, when you're in office ... and he was very aggressive in pursuing prostitution rings, which we know in this instance seems like adults doing adult things."

She's not holding her breath on the possibility of criminal punishment.

"Nothing ever happens to the men, you know how it goes," Fleiss said. "Like I said, I don't recommend prostitution as a career at all, but I think it's absolutely set up wrong how the women are the only ones that get beat down. ..."

"There are so many different forms of prostitution," she added. "Politicians are the biggest whores on earth. They'll change their opinion for any amount of money, you know."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,336909,00.html

HOLY MOLY... Pot calling the kettle black anyone?

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Steviefan49

HOLY MOLY... Pot calling the kettle black anyone?

This just goes to show you - cash is always best in these situations

[Steviefan49]

Originally Posted by JWS

Well, if anybody is an authority on this subject it's Heidi Fleiss.

Oh absolutely! LOLOLOL

[Steviefan49]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

This just goes to show you - cash is always best in these situations

That kills me! lmaoo...

[buckymcnix]

wow - what a read.

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC

I mean, I'm sure Mrs. Spitzer is probably the nicest woman in the world and everything... but... well, can you blame the dude?

the logic here fails.
She looked damn pretty in the "before" picture that paula posted. You are judging her based on a picture taken AFTER she found out that her husband had cheated and wasted a fortune of their money and using how she looks then to rationalize why he cheated. The time line fails.

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC

Yes, this sounds misogynistic, but when you're married to the highest politico in NY state, you do need to make a bit more of an effort. For chrissakes, woman, drag a comb through that rats nest!

I am guessing you have never been publicly humiliatied. Her whole world has been smashed into little pieces and you are worried about her hair?
Dude, have a heart for christ sakes.

Originally Posted by petep9000

Yeah, that one. I always feel so bad for the wives when this happens. Like Mcgreavy, or Senator Craig's wives, or Pat Nixon, or Kathy Lee Gifford. The wife has to stand there and be stoic, it must be so humiliating.

I honestly believe that most of them are still in shock when they are standing there so stoic. Given time to think about whether to stand there or not, I wonder how many would change their minds.

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC

See, if I was in that situation, I would have gone all out to look fierce, which would only underscore the point that Mr. Spitzer was an idiot for gambling his career away when he had such a hot piece of a$$ at home.

This sounds so superficial. There is no sin in looking devastated when you are devestated. To twist that into a reason for her being treated thusly just doesn't make sense to me.

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC

Instead, by looking so schlubby, although the public is outwardly outraged, lots of married men were probably thinking, "dude, I totally understand why you did this."

wow , you are digging a crater here. lol

I don't believe that all married men are gonna base whether they emapathize with a cheater based on how the wife looks after she's been cheated on. Some men see upset women and it breaks our hearts and we want to help protect them, not judge them.

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC

Sure, she was totally disrespected and humuliated. But as the old saying goes, even bad publicity is better than no publicity at all. Now that her face has been plastered onto the cover of every magazine and newspaper around the world, she has instantly become immortalized. She can now go off, dump the loser, write a book, appear on Oprah and become the posterchild for jilted wives everywhere. It's just a shame that she didn't have a proper stylist for the press conference (the video of the press conference was much less flattering than the photo).

I am afraid I am making the "face" but for totally different reasons.

so you are saying that she has it made now, but she just doesn't realize it yet?

I may not be in the majority but a grieving person should get cut a lot of slack in unimportant matters such as how their hair looks.

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

VERY few if any women on this board, and perhaps in reality, will get that argument. And, even if they may think it, but the bonds of the Sisterhood of the Vag. prevent them for saying it. Just like all they can focus on is the betrayal. I get that she was betrayed and that was awful, etc. But, have some self-respect woman

Meanwhile, I submit every staight guy on this board gets it as do most of the gays.

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

For all we know - she could have cheated as well. But, I agree, he passed himself off as someone who fights crime and he specifically targeted whorehouses and hooker rings on more than one occasion.


In the end, I could care a less about hiring a hooker. I do not think that is a bad or wrong thing to do. It is his blatant hypocrisy in his public life. So, he should resign.

I agree about consenting adults.
I think that throwing in "for all we know she could have cheated as well" into your post that otherwise was holding him responsible for his actions was unneeded. It casts suspicion on her with no evidence when he is the one to wrong her.

Originally Posted by mikeschmike

Speak for yourself, Suzanne.

Hey Mikey, I also count myself as a gay that doesn't agree with the arguement.

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I'll even go one further, most men stray because the wife lets herself go and some young, hot thing catches his eye. It sucks, but it is the way of the world. Men are pigs, what can I say

I don't think that the "wife lets herself go" enters into it most times. Men are just more genetically inclined to sow their seeds and some can control that urge and some can't. Is there a study somewhere that upholds this theory that pretty wives don't get cheated on as much? Maybe the pretty wives are so concerned with their looks that they aren't paying attention to their husbands and thus they stray.

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

You may have your view, but that does not negate that the Vadgsters unite when it comes to a cheating man

but aren't you suggesting that men all close ranks as well and look for reasons to understand why the guy cheated?

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

When I refered to her looking like shiitte, I refered only to the pics of her on the podium when he gave his "I HAVE SINNED" speech. Again, I think it would have served her better to have looked great. And, this is no simpleton who knows nothing about the media. She has been in the public spotlight for at least a decade now.

I also am sorry for her. I think the facts as we know then suggest she was wronged. My heart goes out to her.

whew - i was wondering if there was a heart in there for a bit strand.

but - lol - although she is media savy - she has never had to deal with something like this before so that savy probably took a back burner.

Originally Posted by Steviefan49

If you were to find out that the person you've spent say- the last 15 years or so of your life with, who "supposedly" you share children/ and or your life with, pulls this crap, that ES pulled on his poor wife, and it all comes out through a "wire" that was on him in this scandal, and YOU then find out about it. How would you look and feel? Would you SLEEP the night before? Would you feel like having your make up done "just so" - like you're ready for a magazine photo shoot somewhere, KNOWING there were going to be tons of people there? Would you feel maybe like you want to throw up all over the place because your entire life/ world is being turned upside down?? Maybe considering all of this, you just may re-think those sayings.. LOL.. And it's all said out of kindness, as I'm not out to be vicious at all. I totally agree with the rest of what you said.. but that I just can't swallow..

Well said.

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I would look great for it if for no other reason than I am vain


Also, without further evidence, I really do not think she did not suspect or perhaps know something. I mean the latest reports state that he spent likely $40,000+ on this. How could she not notice that But, who knows and I certainly was not there.

lol - at least you can admit it huh? Many people have accountants that do all the tallying. I don't think it's unreasonable to think that she could have been clueless as to the missing money. Seems to happen to the richer folks all the time

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by skcin

Here's the wife, Silda, less than 2 months ago. Yeah, what a hag, huh? It's a damn shame she let herself go like that when it's obvious that her husband has done his best to look good for her.

My hero!

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by Steviefan49

Well honey.. I don't know about you - but as vain as I am too, you can know for a fact that I wouldn't have even THOUGHT of having my makeup done, or anything else, due to the fact that I would have probably been up all night long, (thinking, drinking, or Lord knows what) upon finding out THAT news! LOL.. That's a pretty big pill to swallow, no matter HOW naturally gorgeous I am.. LOL -(cough, cough) As Suze said in a earlier post, which I agree with her on- she was doing "GREAT" just to stand next to that hypocrital- sob without castrating him right then and there!

I don't think I would have done it. he'd be on his own.

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by buckymcnix

wow - what a read.
...
lol - at least you can admit it huh? Many people have accountants that do all the tallying. I don't think it's unreasonable to think that she could have been clueless as to the missing money. Seems to happen to the richer folks all the time

It looks like the money went to a corporation so the check could have been written out to something that seemed legitimate. But as you said, she may not even be looking at where the money is going.

[Steviefan49]

Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

I don't think I would have done it. he'd be on his own.

Me too Suze.. I'm with you.. I'm not sure I would have had the strength to actually go through with it..

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by Steviefan49

Me too Suze.. I'm with you.. I'm not sure I would have had the strength to actually go through with it..

Well I think the real strength might be in walking away. Going along can seem easy sometimes. People are telling you to stand by your man or whatever. But you just say, no I gotta stand by me first.

Part of the consequences of doing what he did is public disapproval, period. Too bad!