New Ledgie saying hi to all!

[bushesandbriars]

Originally Posted by amber

Oh, it's vereh, vereh goo-oood. Just close your eyes softly, till you become that part of the argument, that you've always longed for.
Welcome, BTW.

Which part of the argument? The one we all long for, sometimes? Like a ghost through a fog? A charmed hour? And a haunted song? Well, I'll do my best.

Okay, I'll stop now 'cuz I can see this getting cheesier and cheesier on my end.

And thanks for the welcome.

[cliffdweller]

Originally Posted by bushesandbriars

That's one of those things where you have to make your own mind up and consider the source. James Joyce's brother, Stanislaus, told him that Ulysses was obviously the product of an infantile mind, and that he was ruining literature.

Oh but it was the product of an infantile mind! That's not to say that the work itself isn't genius...it is. But Joyce had some serious issues, mostly Freudian and mostly disturbing. Have you ever read, "Letters to Nora?" Yikes...makes my skin crawl.

[bushesandbriars]

Originally Posted by cliffdweller

Oh but it was the product of an infantile mind! That's not to say that the work itself isn't genius...it is. But Joyce had some serious issues, mostly Freudian and mostly disturbing. Have you ever read, "Letters to Nora?" Yikes...makes my skin crawl.

I never have read it, and yeah, a lot of his stuff creeps me out a bit, too. But I do respect his whole "experiment with the language" thing. I find the cannibalizing of Nora a little off myself, and I can't sit here and say I've ever had the energy--or desire, frankly--to read his whole canon. I'm not into Freud, either, though God knows he crops up enough, and a number of writers I take seriously--A.S. Byatt and Maria Tatar leap to mind--do take him seriously, Byatt more than Tatar, I think.

My point was just that the interpretation depends largely on the state of mind of the reader, and if they don't understand what you're after in terms of technique, then you have to consider whether that means anything or simply stems from their misunderstanding. Stanislaus didn't really mean--at least from my understanding; I may be wrong, please tell me if I am--anything about the issues when he called it infantile so much as the running on and on, and messing about with language. And the, erm, scatalogical elements, which I also find, to use a techical term, icky. But I know Joyce was breaking taboos, etc., so I guess getting it isn't necessarily the same as being into it.

But that said--I dig ya.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by bushesandbriars

. . . Especially if you could get Hugh Jackman to play somebody.

He's play the younger son of the billionaire who has a heart and also plays soccer, therefore the obligatory shower scene

[strandinthewind]

OKAY - this has NOTHING to do with this thread, but I think the cowd in here will like it:

http://www.thesuperficial.com/archives/000920.html

the caption reads:

"Jennifer Lopez shocked fans … this weekend when she wore a T-shirt bearing the words "**** It!". The diva stunned concert organizers with the crass slogan on a black cropped-top at the eighth annual Wango Tango pop festival in California on Saturday."

J.Lo’s charming contempt for the parents who paid for their 12 year old girls to make up the audience at Wango Tango is obviously delightful, but it doesn’t quite explain the rest of this outfit. Or why she’s sweatin like an Alabama mule. And there’s a homeless woman down the street from me who has an artificial eye that’s actually just a ping-pong ball that she drew on with a sharpie, and I’ve seen her eat a cigarette off the ground and chase a cat - probably for dinner - but I’ve never seen her go out with her hair looking as bad as that mystery on top of J.Los head. Never hire a beaver as a hairstylist, I don't care how charming he is during the interview.

OMG - I fell on the floor laughing at that when a friend sent it to me

[bushesandbriars]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

therefore the obligatory shower scene :eek

All righty, then--how soon can you be done writing so we can get into production? Also, I don't suppose we could bring back the white pants he shook his boot-ay in for "I Go to Rio," could we? Pretty please? (bats eyelashes). Oh, and a shirtless scene, which I feel would add greatly to the artistic message of the piece, as well as his range as an actor. I swear I won't ask for any more creative concessions.

[amber]

Originally Posted by bushesandbriars

I know. Reagan? Worst. President. Ever.

I just had to pause and respond since you just used my mantra...

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by bushesandbriars

All righty, then--how soon can you be done writing so we can get into production? Also, I don't suppose we could bring back the white pants he shook his boot-ay in for "I Go to Rio," could we? Pretty please? (bats eyelashes). Oh, and a shirtless scene, which I feel would add greatly to the artistic message of the piece, as well as his range as an actor. I swear I won't ask for any more creative concessions.

I was at that show when he auctioned his sweaty tight black t-shirt to the audience for Equity Cares. Well, it came down to the group of middle aged house wives from like Topeka who apparently had had too much wine at intermission vesus the gaggle of mad queens who were loaded when they walked in. I think the shirt went for like $5,000 or something like that. Well, he then turns to the queens and says something like "if you'll match you last offer, I'll get another one sweaty for you"

[amber]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

OKAY - this has NOTHING to do with this thread, but I think the cowd in here will like it:

http://www.thesuperficial.com/archives/000920.html

the caption reads:

"Jennifer Lopez shocked fans … this weekend when she wore a T-shirt bearing the words "**** It!". The diva stunned concert organizers with the crass slogan on a black cropped-top at the eighth annual Wango Tango pop festival in California on Saturday."

J.Lo’s charming contempt for the parents who paid for their 12 year old girls to make up the audience at Wango Tango is obviously delightful, but it doesn’t quite explain the rest of this outfit. Or why she’s sweatin like an Alabama mule. And there’s a homeless woman down the street from me who has an artificial eye that’s actually just a ping-pong ball that she drew on with a sharpie, and I’ve seen her eat a cigarette off the ground and chase a cat - probably for dinner - but I’ve never seen her go out with her hair looking as bad as that mystery on top of J.Los head. Never hire a beaver as a hairstylist, I don't care how charming he is during the interview.

OMG - I fell on the floor laughing at that when a friend sent it to me

[bushesandbriars]

Originally Posted by amber

I just had to pause and respond since you just used my mantra...

It's probably a brain wave-thing. That, or being alive in the Eighties.

[bushesandbriars]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I was at that show when he auctioned his sweaty tight black t-shirt to the audience for Equity Cares. Well, it came down to the group of middle aged house wives from like Topeka who apparently had had too much wine at intermission vesus the gaggle of mad queens who were loaded when they walked in. I think the shirt went for like $5,000 or something like that. Well, he then turns to the queens and says something like "if you'll match you last offer, I'll get another one sweaty for you"

Why doesn't my daily life ever involve sweaty Australians auctioning off their clothing?

[amber]

Originally Posted by bushesandbriars

Why doesn't my daily life ever involve sweaty Australians auctioning off their clothing?

Ah, yes, the age old question.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by bushesandbriars

Why doesn't my daily life ever involve sweaty Australians auctioning off their clothing?

I wear they just do not make any not good looking people down there

[dissention]

Originally Posted by bushesandbriars

I know. Reagan? Worst. President. Ever. And we have had some doozies. And it scares me to think where we'll be if we don't turn around and try to find the meaning of this country again.

1984 is another one of those all-time-great-books-to-make-your-children-dog-and-self-insane-with. And, of course, Brave New World. There's this cheerful insanity thing that Huxley works that makes me get all, "Okay, now I have to read some Bridget Jones or something to stop the unpleasant world-ending-any-second sensation I have." Paula Vogel does that to me, too, and Beckett--make me literally feel fear. It's amazing writing, but depressing as f***.

Oh.My.Word. You are fabulous. 1984 is one of those books that you pick up and simply can't put down, then you pull it out every few months or so and flip through it again, only to notice the parallels to the government today are stronger than ever. It's maddening.

Reagan is the one to blame for the rise of the neocons. He ushered them all in. I think I puked for a week straight when he died and the media couldn't masturbate enough over him.

And is that *gulp* Nicole Kidman in your avatar?

[bushesandbriars]

Originally Posted by dissention

Oh.My.Word. You are fabulous.

You ain't so bad yourself, kid.

Originally Posted by dissention

1984 is one of those books that you pick up and simply can't put down, then you pull it out every few months or so and flip through it again, only to notice the parallels to the government today are stronger than ever. It's maddening.

That book makes me suicidal, and I wish I was kidding. There's something about the way that book ends that is just so--for lack of a better word--final. Massive carnage and death would be cheerier. But enough of that.

Originally Posted by dissention

Reagan is the one to blame for the rise of the neocons. He ushered them all in. I think I puked for a week straight when he died and the media couldn't masturbate enough over him.

I know. I was all, "I'm not even gonna turn on !@#%^&$# television set, or pick up a !#%*)%^ newspaper, because I'm gonna be one pissed off broad the instant I do." I had calluses in my ears from sticking my fingers in them every time I heard his bloody name.

Originally Posted by dissention

And is that *gulp* Nicole Kidman in your avatar

It was, actually, but I pulled that one 'cuz I found a fab Kate one, and I was having a Kate moment. But Nic is God, for anyone who missed it, and she'll be back, because I adore her work and I think she's an amazing visual presence. Naomi Watts, too, but I can't find her anywhere in a small-enough icon.