Anti-evolution teachings gain foothold in U.S. schools

[ontheEdgeof17]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Assinine view and you know it. School is the vehicle in which children are prepared for the real world. Again, I am not talking about advocating any religion - I am just saying the question will come up and teachers should be able to answer it. if you do not like that as a parent - tough AND it is your duty as such to explain why the world's religions are so repugnant to you. But to deny all kids access to knowledge is just wrong - period.

There's no way a teacher can say "Christians believe this", "Christians believe that", when it is not consisitant across the board. The same groups believe totally different things. Teachers shouldn't be giving out info that is sterotypical of that religion, when it could not be the case.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

Honestly, what would be the point?

Well, it might make you sound, for a change, LEARNED

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Assinine view and you know it. School is the vehicle in which children are prepared for the real world. Again, I am not talking about advocating any religion - I am just saying the question will come up and teachers should be able to answer it. if you do not like that as a parent - tough AND it is your duty as such to explain why the world's religions are so repugnant to you. But to deny all kids access to knowledge is just wrong - period.

No, teachers should do as Curtis explained.

You still fail to comprehend my point and are looking at it in a very narrowminded way. I'm not trying to deny my imaginary kids knowledge, I'm trying to control the venue in which they gain it. There are places where kids should learn certain things, and I don't feel that they should be learning about religious views such as creationism in school. They can learn about it at home if they're interested. I would never force my views onto my children, but I would control where they hear certain information. They won't be hearing about anal sex at the dinner table and they won't be hearing about creationism in public schools.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17

There's no way a teacher can say "Christians believe this", "Christians believe that", when it is not consisitant across the board. The same groups believe totally different things. Teachers shouldn't be giving out info that is sterotypical of that religion, when it could not be the case.

Well, I am not talking about going into that much detail. Again, I am just saying the question will come up and the demurrer to one's parents will limit the knowledge of the kids in the room who do not ask their parents

I think you all think I am talking about actually teaching religion to any significnat degree. I am not. I am just saying that when little Joey Smith asks "what about Adam and Eve" - the teacher ought to be able to say something along the lines of "well, that is the prevailing Judeo Christian view - there are other religions with different views - for a comprehensive study of those - take the class called comparative religions and all of you questions will be answered" How that is wrong or establishing a religion is just beyond me

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

No, teachers should do as Curtis explained.

You still fail to comprehend my point and are looking at it in a very narrowminded way. I'm not trying to deny my imaginary kids knowledge, I'm trying to control the venue in which they gain it. There are places where kids should learn certain things, and I don't feel that they should be learning about religious views such as creationism in school. They can learn about it at home if they're interested. I would never force my views onto my children, but I would control where they hear certain information. They won't be hearing about anal sex at the dinner table and they won't be hearing about creationism in public schools.

But, then you are denying them knowledge of one of the prevailing theories of the origin of man. That is just wrong.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

But, then you are denying them knowledge of one of the prevailing theories of the origin of man. That is just wrong.

You're rich, man.

Nothing is being denied them, I'm simply choosing to teach them myself and in my own way than have it taught to them in public schools.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

You're rich, man.

Nothing is being denied them, I'm simply choosing to teach them myself and in my own way than have it taught to them in public schools.

Hogwash - it is denying them knowledge and you know it - you are just being hard headed because you hate Christianity Again, are you opposed to all religions or just Christianity - you have not answered that one yet

I think the far left (at which I place you ) is frightened to death that their kids will think Christianity is a great thing latch on to the idea. That is why they are so opposed to it in schools. Again, I am talking about this scenario only:

Joey Smith asks "what about Adam and Eve" - the teacher ought to be able to say something along the lines of "well, that is the prevailing Judeo Christian view - there are other religions with different views - for a comprehensive study of those - take the class called comparative religions and all of your questions will be answered"

How that is wrong or establishing a religion is just beyond me

[GateandGarden]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Hogwash - it is denying them knowledge and you know it - you are just being hard headed because you hate Christianity Again, are you opposed to all religions or just Christianity - you have not answered that one yet

I think the far left (at which I place you ) is frightened to death that their kids will think Christianity is a great thing latch on to the idea. That is why they are so opposed to it in schools. :

You attribute dissention's position to the fact that he hates Christianity is and extremely far left, but how do explain the fact that Curtis and others on this board share his view?

Hillary

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by GateandGarden

You attribute dissention's position to the fact that he hates Christianity is and extremely far left, but how do explain the fact that Curtis and others on this board share his view?

Hillary

Because after YEARS of butting heads with him, I know Diss.' arguments pretty well.

As for the rest ya - y'all are just plumb nuts

[The Tower]

I'm opposed to all religions. The price of religion is far too high pay.

However, with regard to this thread.....

I don't think that anyone truly knows the answer to the beginning of time, etc, etc. I'm fine with that. I don't have to have that answer. Why religious peoples think that they have to have that answer is beyond me- other than the obvious, which is to control and/or guilt people into giving up their resources to consolidate wealth and power. Which leads me to why I have a problem with the teaching of religion in public school.

I suppose that (young) schools could speak of religion. However, here in the U.S. the christians in power would never allow an unbiased description of islam- they certainly wouldn't allow the speaking of wicca, satanism, etc.

I think that schools should stick religion where it belongs- in the folklore/mythology classes, since that's exactly what religion is anyways. At least in the academic sense. Athena sprang from Zeus's brain, Adam was created from dust- see??? It all fits together!

However, we all know that this is not what this argument it about. The debate is simply devised to allow organized religion (in the U.S. christianity) the opportunity to expand their recruiting powers and control into a wider audience. That's all- plain and simple. Any deviation from that desire will be met with swift resistance.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by The Tower

I'm opposed to all religions. The price of religion is far too high pay.

However, with regard to this thread.....

I don't think that anyone truly knows the answer to the beginning of time, etc, etc. I'm fine with that. I don't have to have that answer. Why religious peoples think that they have to have that answer is beyond me- other than the obvious, which is to control and/or guilt people into giving up their resources to consolidate wealth and power. Which leads me to why I have a problem with the teaching of religion in public school.

I suppose that (young) schools could speak of religion. However, here in the U.S. the christians in power would never allow an unbiased description of islam- they certainly wouldn't allow the speaking of wicca, satanism, etc.

I think that schools should stick religion where it belongs- in the folklore/mythology classes, since that's exactly what religion is anyways. At least in the academic sense. Athena sprang from Zeus's brain, Adam was created from dust- see??? It all fits together!

However, we all know that this is not what this argument it about. The debate is simply devised to allow organized religion (in the U.S. christianity) the opportunity to expand their recruiting powers and control into a wider audience. That's all- plain and simple. Any deviation from that desire will be met with swift resistance.

well said - well said!!!!!!

- and it saddens me to realize that these zealots ruin the way knowledge is obtained

[The Tower]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

and it saddens me to realize that these zealots ruin the way knowledge is obtained

Of course they want to ruin the way that knowledge is obtained. All of their power depends upon ignorance. Why do you think the "home schooling" movement has taken off through the stratosphere over the last coupla decades? Don't even get me started on that one..... The company I work for is filled to the rim with these scary, psycho, home-school, born again, body snatcher, stepford pod-people.

YIKES!!!!!

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Hogwash - it is denying them knowledge and you know it - you are just being hard headed because you hate Christianity Again, are you opposed to all religions or just Christianity - you have not answered that one yet

I've answered that many times and you know it.

[wondergirl9847]

LOL She hates when I'm on the computer while she's over. I'm back.

The constellations Orion and Ursa Major are mentioned in the Bible, along with Pleiades and Arcturus (not familiar with these, but I should probably look them up.). I've been looking up stuff in the Bible about space/time etc.

Also, you can separate Christianity from creationism. Creationism is the belief that a supernatural being created the universe. There's nothing in there about Jesus, His teachings, etc. Two different things, IMO.

"Guard your heart more than anything else, because the source of your life flows from it." - Proverbs 4:23. Not only is that a good proverb to live by, the source of our lives does flow from our hearts...it's called blood. Science.

"He created the moon, which marks the seasons, and the sun, which knows when to set." - Psalms 104:19 Science

Creationism should be taught in school.

Surely, you don't think that Christianity is evil and vile. I think you are confusing Christianity with the PEOPLE who claim to be Christians and do vile and evil things in God's name.

Ooh, just found something interesting. "God chose what the world considers nonsense to put wise people to shame. God chose what the world considers weak to put what is strong to shame." I love that because I've always thought that people with certain mental disabilities and children were smarter than people give them credit for. They can see things that nobody else can. I think they are aware of certain things in the world that we "normal" people aren't even aware of.

[EnchantedSLN]

Originally Posted by wondergirl9847

The constellations Orion and Ursa Major are mentioned in the Bible, along with Pleiades and Arcturus (not familiar with these, but I should probably look them up.). I've been looking up stuff in the Bible about space/time etc.

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"Guard your heart more than anything else, because the source of your life flows from it." - Proverbs 4:23. Not only is that a good proverb to live by, the source of our lives does flow from our hearts...it's called blood. Science.

"He created the moon, which marks the seasons, and the sun, which knows when to set." - Psalms 104:19 Science

I'm not quite sure what this proves? The Greeks, Egyptians, etc had been making discoveries about astronomy and medicine and the natural world for awhile before the Bible was written, so it doesn't surprise me that some of those ideas would find their way in. I don't understand what you're suggesting the significance of their inclusion in the Bible is though...