Lack of Productivity Makes Fleetwood Mac Irrelevent.

[LukeA]

Originally Posted by shackin'up

Oh come on people. Look at it again.




WHAHAHAHAHAHA

I liked her better when she called herself Dale Bozzio.

OOOOOOHHH HOW RELEVANT

She needs to sell about 10M more albums to recoup her label's advance for expenses thus far. After the second album tanks, bye bye Lady GaGa.

[Lindsey Jr.]

Lady Gaga is overhyped and I hate her music. I'd take FM... and Christina Aguilera every day.

[newyawka]

Originally Posted by FMlex

Sorry but this thread is getting a little annoying!

As are you.

Originally Posted by Fannymac

Interesting.....the LA Times review said the exact opposite....that the band is still VERY relevant, with a lot of potential tricks still up their sleeves (or hidden in their shawls, as the case may be!)

I’ll believe it when I see it!

Originally Posted by TheScoop

I saw The Killers in concert a few weeks back and their show made the Fleetwood Mac concert I saw look like a complete debacle.

“Let’s go see The Killers and make out in the bleachers.”

-Lady GaGa, “Boys Boys Boys”

Originally Posted by trackaghost

I also think he was mainly referring to Lady GaGa and her utterly ridiculous outfit in that photo.

Like Stevie Nicks hasn’t had utterly ridiculous outfits in the past and the present?

Originally Posted by nailatixela

You confuse me. I guess I just can't read your poker face.

Good one.

Originally Posted by Nico

But FM's show? " Complete debacle??!!?" I respectfully disagree. I found that concert experience to be absolutely mesmerizing. I was blown away by the artistry and care they put into their performances. Yes, Stevie was a little slower and possibly not as "into" some of the songs, but I sincerely didn't feel that loss. I said that the day I posted my reviews: I wasn't expecting her to come out doing high-kicks and belting 2 minute-long notes. I came in expecting to see a 60 year-old dame do her thing and I saw she still has a lot of it. And Lindsey? Puhlease. I love Brandon Flowers but even he couldn't keep me as transfixed as that man. I truly thought I got every penny's worth. Even when I had the not-so-great seats that I paid quite a bit for, where I was surrounded by 2 women and 1 guy wearing capes and banging on tambourines while simultaneously twirling and playing air guitar...it was an incredible experience.

I agree with you, Fleetwood Mac does put on a fantastically entertaining show. I just wish they did more new things in the studio.

[LukeA]

Originally Posted by newyawka

“Let’s go see The Killers and make out in the bleachers.”

-Lady GaGa, “Boys Boys Boys”

OMG HOW PRESCIENT

[sjpdg]

Originally Posted by RockALittle250

Well David, you can be pretty critical sometimes, but deep down we all know you love the band as much as the rest of us.

I personally wonder about that idea myself. Not only critical of the band but of other posters such as ourselves.

[sjpdg]

Originally Posted by David

Well, I hang out at the Ledge because I like talking to ledgies.

By the way, how's that whole "Hanslick Syndrome" thing coming? Any explanation as to its relevance to this site coming anytime soon? Or should be just wait for more psychobabble on some other topic?

Just curious.

Cheers!!

[chiliD]

Originally Posted by sjpdg

Are you a psych major or do you look these words up in a thesarus just to make yourself sound important??

His last name IS "Thesaurus"...he IS important. Read, consume, learn from him.

[Street_Dreamer]

Something I just read concerning Lady GaGa that I found fairly relevant.

Lady Gaga
Right now, you can hear her music over the PA at the health club. Next year, you'll hear it in a dentist's waiting room on the "Lite Hits of the '80s, '90s and Today!" station. Two years from now, you'll hear it at the supermarket. Five years from now, you'll hear it on VH1's Celebrity Fit Club. Ten years from now, you'll hear it in an elevator.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...neumann/090603

Matt

[carrie721]

Originally Posted by Street_Dreamer

Something I just read concerning Lady GaGa that I found fairly relevant.



http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...neumann/090603

Matt

you could say the same thing about many fleetwood mac/stevie/lindsey singles.

i swear i hear lindsey every time i walk in the 99 cent store.

not that i'm defending lady gaga.

[Nico]

Originally Posted by shackin'up

Oh come on people. Look at it again.




WHAHAHAHAHAHA

It is an absurd sight, though. I wonder what prompts her to dress like that. It's quite unflattering and tacky. I totally dislike those feathers, and he insists on wearing that ridiculous jacket every where he goes. He must think it's pretty amazing. The Pet Shop Boys have always looked like two dorks to me. Now they're just two old dorks in wigs. I don't understand their sense of style at all. And the backup dancers behind them look like they're doing some kind of tribal chant. Everyone looks constipated or in the middle of prayer.

But I still love Brandon. He's my boy, even with the feathers.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by GoldDustOrphan

Musically, Lady GaGa and Stevie come from very different places, and both have completely different perspectives and goals. For me, Stevie hits every button that I possess. GaGa knows where one or two of those buttons are, but she hits them every time. Even when she's drunk and it's dark in club. It's the difference between a decades-long romance that inspires a novel and a passionate summer fling that fills out the three naughtiest pages you've ever read.

I don't feel the need to judge one's merits against the other's. One has been thrilling me for 28 years, and her music has been present during at key moments in my life. The other has put out one CD.

THIS was my favorite post out of this entire thread. you are so right.

[GoldDustOrphan]

Thank you.

I only added my two cents to this thread - not to agree that GaGa is some kind of inheritor to Stevie's crown or she's somehow more "relevant," etc. - because I disagree with the initial poster's argument. However, I found it unfair for some to declare GaGa untalented or without merit just because the poster used her in his argument. And it's always a slippery slope to give someone's career an expiration date or to predict longevity based on one's personal likes and dislikes. I've read too many flippant reviews assuring readers that Pop Star X or Y is not just solely responsible for the sorry state of pop music and will most definitely be working as counter help in two years time. I'm still waiting for either Justin Timberlake, Britney Spears, Christina Aquilera, or Mandy Moore to super-size my fries.

If I were a Vegas odds-maker, the cards are in GaGa's favor that she'll maintain some level of success. Performers who write their own hit songs usually stick around longer, or with more consistency than the vast majority of "artists" who rely on the efforts of pricey hit songwriter/producer/production teams. She didn't require Max Martin, Timbaland, etc. to supply her with hits. She was originally hired by Akon to write songs for others. Her recent tour sold out in minutes. Touring and music publishing are where the money's at and she's got both. (The show I attended was 18+ at the House of Blues (capacity: 2,5000).

Her CD has sold 2.4 million physical copies worldwide during its 8 months in release. (To compare: Taylor Swift's Fearless is 2009's top-seller with 1,173,000 units sold since Jan. 1, 2009. Only one other album has move more than a million copies this year and that's Miley Cyrus. GaGa's The Fame has moved just over 900,000 units during that same period, putting it in this year's top five U.S. best-sellers. Collectively, her single sales are astronomical: nearly 8 million paid digital downloads. Her songs have hit number one in over 20 countries.

I'm sure many on this board are only familiar with GaGa's three dance-oriented hit singles, so I can understand why it's easy to dismiss her as another weightless pop star.

Below is download link for a brand new song she recorded with Midway State. It's a cover of the Peter Gabriel/Kate Bush duet "Don't Give Up." It's a better representation of her vocal capability than "Just Dance," "Poker Face" and "Love Game."

Midway State ft. Lady GaGa - Don't Give Up.mp3
http://www.mediafire.com/?43em1gmnggi

and about the wigs and wild costumes: Prior to her first CD, GaGa (who is 23 years old) had three record deals fall apart. She was told she could be a successful songwriter (having written for Britney, Pussycat Dolls & New Kids), but that she didn't have the look the labels wanted. One told her she wasn't someone men would fantasize about or that girls would want to emulate. When she got aggressive about one label sticking to a contract (they only wanted her songs), she was told - right to her face - that she was homely.
Taking a given nickname that was inspired by the Queen song "Radio Gaga," she created a character - similar to past inventions by David Bowie - that some people have really responded to. She's defied the industry standard or expectation of what women should look like. No ever told Bowie, Elton John or Freddie Mercury they were phony for wearing outrageous outfits. It's just part of the theatrical experience that clearly motivates and inspires her, and that joy translates to her fans.

If Stevie packed up her shawls, boots and moon-medallions in an effort to assure critics she's not a caricature, I would call "shenanigans" and alert the world police that something more valuable than the Hope diamond had been stolen.

[shackin'up]

Yeah right.
David Bowie, Freddie Mercury, Elton John, Lady GaGa.

Come on people. Blow the sh*t out of your ears. This cover of Gabriel/Bush's Don't give up proves it. The phoneyness is not only in the outfit. This is deliberately sucking the life out of an emotional duet. Incredible. Not a question of taste. A question of having ears.

[carrie721]

Originally Posted by shackin'up

Yeah right.
David Bowie, Freddie Mercury, Elton John, Lady GaGa.

Come on people. Blow the sh*t out of your ears. This cover of Gabriel/Bush's Don't give up proves it. The phoneyness is not only in the outfit. This is deliberately sucking the life out of an emotional duet. Incredible. Not a question of taste. A question of having ears.

just curious what your issues are with the cover.

i love peter gabriel to the point where i almost think he can do no wrong. nothing can compete with the original, but i don't see what's wrong with that cover. i don't love lady gaga, and i've never even heard of the midway state. but saying something is phony is pretty imprecise.

do you think it's overproduced? the original is overproduced. and i think that vocal was extremely conservative for LG and respectful of the original melody.

in a way, i am playing devil's advocate. i don't get lady gaga, but i am interested in you expressing your music opinions in a more rational way. it gets tiring to hear that so-and-so is phony for no real reason. what are your criteria for "good" music?

[trackaghost]

Personally, I think the male on that track is copying Gabriel's original vocal a little too closely for my taste and Lady GaGa's vocals are big but strangely emotionless.
I find Lady GaGa an interesting character, I actually enjoy her eccentricity, if not her music so much, I think pop needs more of that, but I think it's far too early to say whether or not she's a true artist. I also find it interesting to note that all of her album was co-written.