What did Stevie really think? - Page 7

Johnny Stew · #91 11-07-2006, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn

But to me, it wouldn't be rote because it's something she's never done before.

True... it would still be new to Stevie.

Honest to God, I wouldn't turn my nose up at ANYTHING she wanted to try at this point, but my preference will always be something in the "Stevie Nicks" style.

I'm trying to be patient (though patience has never been one of my virtues) and wait for her to come around again. I'm sure she will -- we just don't know when.
She also still has two albums left on her Warner Bros. contract... if she doesn't release anything, she'll have to cough up some money to WB.

editormarf · #92 11-07-2006, 05:58 PM

I can relate to her in a very small way. I spent about ten years working nearly nonstop, and when things slowed down a bit, I went nuts just relaxing (if that makes sense)

I was so tired that all I wanted to do was just what I wanted to do without having to answer to anyone. And speaking as someone going through menopause, it's pretty tiring. I have heard though that you come out on the other side with some great bursts of energy

Since Stevie's a couple of years older than me, and has certainly worked her head off for 35 years, and also gone through the death of her Dad, I have a feeling she's just taking some time to do what she wants. I say more power to her

She seems to have had lots of fun with DH and TP--she has looked radiant. I have a feeling that in another year or so, if we can be patient and wait that long, she'll have another album and tour in her that has nothing to do with FM

Just my two cents....

shackin'up · #93 11-07-2006, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Re-working your tunes with an orchestra has been done several times (I think Metallica started that craze, didn't they?), doing a country album has been done countless times, doing a standards album has been done to death.
All of those things seem kind of gimmicky and overdone at this point... and Stevie's already criticized enough by her fans for doing things that are "rote".

Me, I'm not looking for the reinvention of the wheel, or for Stevie to "do like so-and-so did"... I just want a new STEVIE NICKS album in the classic vein.

Or she could hook up with lindsey and write an album from the bottom up with a producer. He's gonna excersise with that on his next album.

Serrart · #94 11-07-2006, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Then you have to at least have to give him equal time for her blaming him for her wardrobe choices on the SYW tour and later saying she didn't like the way her songs came out on the record.

To say "Lindsey asked me to be more sober in the dresses" and "Stevie gave me the setlist for the tour" doesn't seem to me the same thing. One looks to me as an advice and the other as an aggressive act of total disrespect to the man who usually is "the word" in Fleetwood Mac. It doesn't sound logic to me that suddenly she decided to become the leader of the band challenging his ego. And why couldn't she say she didn't like how the songs came out? It's still not a crime to express an opinion even if I'm sure someone is working on it.

Romy

Serrart · #95 11-07-2006, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

I'd say she's earned the right to call her own shots and do what she wants to do.

Definitely... even if I still believe she'll make soon another album.

Romy

Serrart · #96 11-07-2006, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by shackin'up

I wish she had ten percent of Lindsey's artistic drive left in her.

gldstwmn says it all in her post. Sad but true.

My sensation is that Lindsey even wanting it can't be commercial. Even what he can think that would be commercial wouldn't work. And I'm not saying it as an insult, it's just a fact, IMO. His way of conceiving music could be appreciated only by a limited number of people who decide to go over the difficulties he presents with his intellectually and musically elaborated language and trust him. The same thing happens in every art, he does in music what people like Straub-Huillet, Jean Daniel Pollet do or did in cinema.

It's just that for me it's not a particular merit to be elaborated. It's a characteristic, important as semplicity for other artists who have the natural capacity to connect with a far larger number of people. Who could say at what point is Stevie's artistic drive? How can you say what is her relationship with her writing right now? Which are her fears?

Romy

sparky · #97 11-07-2006, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn

But that's my dream
or so it seems
I still see dreams
where there are none...

OMG. Are those lyrcs from an unheard demo?

Or have you been sneaking into the Song Generator?

danax6 · #98 11-07-2006, 07:20 PM

Oh, people.

They can't ever win, can they now? It doesn't matter what they do, or how they do it, or when they do it and in what capacity, people will always complain. I want to complain about the complainers! Stevie has done this for a long time, if she wants to sit at home on her ass, by all means, let her do that! She's earned it. It's not fair to compare her to other artists and what they are are doing at this point, because guess what? They're different people! If you don't want to catch a show because you think you'll get bored, then stay at home. If you don't want to hear another greatest hits album, then don't listen to it. It's as easy as that. If you don't want to follow another tour with them gazing into each other's eyes while singing their old time classics, again...stay home. There are still enough people that eat it with piles of sugar on top, they're not going to worry about the few that won't bother to show up. I for one am glad that she's still doing what she obviously enjoys, which is performing. I'd rather have her do that than witness something that I know is forced upon her and goes way beyond her comfort zone. And let's face, when has Stevie ever really done that? It's always been an album, then a tour, another album, then a tour. And we've survived decades of that, so why now, after all that hard work, should we expect her to do something off the beaten path? Because Lindsey's doing it? And really, he's not even wandered that far off, aside from a scaled down album and a scaled down tour. He's basically still doing the same thing as they have always done. And he enjoys it, which for me makes it all the more enjoyable also. So again, please Stevie, do what you enjoy, otherwise I'd have a hard time enjoying it also. It's obvious she doesn't enjoy the whole process behind bringing out new material -in whatever form- anymore. How many times has she alluded to that now? I cringed when I learned that she forced herself to go to Phoenix for a month and 'write like a maniac' for whatever reason. (I suspect it had more to do with the record company suits than by her own free will.) She had plenty of demos handy, yet she still felt like she had to do that. And people wonder why she complained about SYW not being an enjoyable experience for her.

Johnny Stew · #99 11-07-2006, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by sparky

OMG. Are those lyrcs from an unheard demo?

Or have you been sneaking into the Song Generator?

They're lyrics from the alternate/outtake version of "Bombay Sapphires."

**jbrownsjr** · #**100** 11-07-2006, 09:35 PM

gave him a chance to be a guy.... hahaha don't make me laugh linseed!!

i've always thought you were about as much as a guy as larry from 3's Company

there was Susanne Summers (stevie), Janet (christine) you don't even get to be Jack Tripper...

it wasn't chris that dressed you in that cute little straw hat, or that lacey shirt that showed all the hair on your chest as you pranced around like a gay chicken..... a chance to be a guy!!!! Geezer Butler you ain't my angry little guitar hero....

sparky · #**101** 11-07-2006, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

They're lyrics from the alternate/outtake version of "Bombay Sapphires."

I was joking, honestly. They seemed straight outta the Song Generator.

Which means it was a pretty accurate device, I suppose.

catinthedark · #**102** 11-08-2006, 01:22 AM

there've been a lot of great points and observations here. i agree with many - i've read through the latest posts, and would love to quote and respond directly. but i just worked a 13-hour day and my head is overflowing with us election stuff. so i'll just try to write out my thoughts....

i personally agree she should be allowed to do what she wants. of course. i think my frustration is primarily born of the fact that i have loved this woman and her music and her words since the very first time i heard her 25 years ago. her music has moved me - and there was just something about her. she's magical. i've loved her and fm like no other artist. i have seen so many shows - i just couldn't NOT go to see her. over and over. and though i have shaken her hand, and had "moments" with her - i have yet to meet her and speak one-on-one with her. and so that dream endures. so what am i saying here? i guess i'm feeling frustrated on one level by the stuff i've been reading about her lately - and from what we've been seeing: the same old songs, the same old choreography, the seeming focus on holding onto the past, and making a buck. it's like SHE'S given up on life. for someone for whom creativity has been such a key to her very being, it surprises me that she is content to be still. to not move forward. to no longer create. to no longer take chances. to stay safe. that's not the stevie i have loved for so long. i'm feeling a little duped, if you know what i mean. there is so much incredible music out there right now. honestly, i haven't listened to stevie in months. my ipod is full of indie artist no one has heard of and alternative groups who are taking great chances with their music - and to great success. they excite me. there is no greater feeling than discovering an artist no one else has ever heard - and sharing him/her. i'm finding it hard to get excited about seeing the same old songs by stevie. it's not that i don't still love her - i always will. she is far too deeply ingrained in who i am. but she's sort of become like a crazy old aunt - she was way cool when we were both younger. but i keep her hidden now. i don't feel like she's really into this anymore. and if she's not - that's cool. but, stevie, stop doing it halfway. stop just rolling out the same show - the same "best of" CD. don't ruin my memories of you.

strandinthewind · #**103** 11-08-2006, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by sparky

OMG. Are those lyrcs from an unheard demo?

Or have you been sneaking into the Song Generator?

Yea BS - the one you called rote - or something like that

sparky · #**104** 11-08-2006, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Yea BS - the one you called rote - or something like that

I don't understand this post in the slightest.

shackin'up · #**105** 11-08-2006, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Serrart

My sensation is that Lindsey even wanting it can't be commercial. Even what he can think that would be commercial wouldn't work. And I'm not saying it as an insult, it's just a fact, IMO.

You're right. And what you say is a compliment. Not an insult. If you listen to all of his solorecords, none of them is commercial, and I don't think he's so dumb that he thought they were. But alot of noncommercial music has become commercially succesful. And logically, he has had his hopes up that that would happen one moment in time. Today, he's over that. It is what it is, and he's proud and happy with it. And should be.