What's all the fuss about

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by Jyqm

Shouldn't that be "OMA"?

Or do you not want to confuse any German grandmothers who might be lurking?

no. Good grief man! after your lecture on grammar! you know we dont customarily refer to God by name!

[Jyqm]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

My mother always told me that an intelligent person can find a suitable word without having to rely on profanity.

An intelligent person probably also could find a suitable word that begins with the letter B, or that has exactly seven letters, or that is an iamb.

I agree. it takes more mental stretching to say what you want to say without resorting to gutter talk. Sorry, thats just what I believe.

Sorry, but it's not correct, at least not in all cases. As with everything, there are contexts when profanity can be appropriate and effective, and other times when it's best not used.

You can send all the memos you want but IMO, profanity certainly doesnt convey class.

No, it sure doesn't. But then, class and intelligence are different things.

[irishgrl]

Sorry, but it's not correct, at least not in all cases.

Actually it IS correct because I stated its what I BELIEVE. you have no right to tell me my belief is wrong. The most you can say is that you disagree.

No, it sure doesn't. But then, class and intelligence are different things.

Profanity isnt necessary. If you CHOOSE to use it, thats up to you, but it doesnt convey either intelligence OR class. Remember the hoohah when Cheney used the "F" word? or when Bush was heard talking about "asshole reporters"? The use of profanity makes one appear boorish to my mind.

[HomerMcvie]

What is "OMA"? I've seen it on porn titles before, but am not really sure what an OMA is?

[Jyqm]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

Actually it IS correct because I stated its what I BELIEVE. you have no right to tell me my belief is wrong.

Of course I do. Everybody's got every right to tell everybody else if their "beliefs" are wrong; god save us if that ever stops being the case. What if I told you that I believe the earth is flat and sits on the back of a giant space turtle? Or that I believe that blacks are an inferior race? Or that I believe a sentence can have only one possible meaning?

yes they are, but the use of profanity is the opposite end of the spectrum from both, IMO.

Well okay, but again, you're wrong. The extensive use of "profanity" by people far more intelligent than you or I is quite well-documented throughout history. But I'll let Jimmy Joyce and Bill Shakespeare know that you've got some concerns about their intellectual capacities.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

OMG. the perfect job for Amber:

GOD

Our Mother who art on the Ledge,
Amber be Thy Name.
Thy Chit Chat come, Flames Will be done,
on Homer, as it is with Irishgrl.
Give us your 32.83 posts per day, our daily bread,
and forgive us our ignorance,
as we forgive those who speak stupid against us.
And lead us into temptation,
With your hot pics of evil.
For thine is the Ledge, and I need a shower, and fantasies of meeting you in the glory hole, for ever and ever.
Amen.

[Jyqm]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

What is "OMA"? I've seen it on porn titles before, but am not really sure what an OMA is?

I'm not sure what kinds of porns you're renting, man, but the joke I was making is that "Oma" is a German word for "grandmother."

Maybe in the San Fernando Valley, it's an acronym for "Only Mature Audiences" or "Old Male Asspounding" or something...

[irishgrl]

Of course I do. Everybody's got every right to tell everybody else if their "beliefs" are wrong; god save us if that ever stops being the case. What if I told you that I believe the earth is flat and sits on the back of a giant space turtle? Or that I believe that blacks are an inferior race? Or that I believe a sentence can have only one possible meaning?

the majority of your examples are provable. or disprovable. you cannot PROVE that my belief is wrong, because it is just a standard by which I guide my own life. You can choose differently in your life, you can point out other people who do the same, but it doesnt change the fact that you cant prove me wrong for believing what I do. I believe in Reincarnation too, but you cant prove or disprove that either.....all you can do is agree or not. Very different thing altogether. You say tomato I say tomahto.

Well okay, but again, you're wrong. The extensive use of "profanity" by people far more intelligent than you or I is quite well-documented throughout history. But I'll let Jimmy Joyce and Bill Shakespeare know that you've got some concerns about their intellectual capacities.

Both of those authors wrote in the vernacular of the times. they CHOSE to portray their characters as contemporaries. I dont know how either one actually spoke in day to day discourse, and I doubt you do either. Although in the case of James Joyce, I'd bet he cussed. Most Irish do. regularly. it takes getting used to...

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Our Mother who art on the Ledge,
Amber be Thy Name.
Thy Chit Chat come, Flames Will be done,
on Homer, as it is with Irishgrl.
Give us your 32.83 posts per day, our daily bread,
and forgive us our ignorance,
as we forgive those who speak stupid against us.
And lead us into temptation,
With your hot pics of evil.
For thine is the Ledge, and I need a shower, and fantasies of meeting you in the glory hole, for ever and ever.
Amen.

you are one sick puppy Steve.

[Jyqm]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

the majority of your examples are provable. or disprovable. you cannot PROVE that my belief is wrong, because it is just a standard by which I guide my own life. You can choose differently in your life, you can point out other people who do the same, but it doesnt change the fact that you cant prove me wrong for believing what I do.

Sure I could. I could go out and find a bunch of people who frequently use profanity and give them IQ tests. I'm certainly not going to, but this is clearly a provable or disprovable thing.

Both of those authors wrote in the vernacular of the times. they CHOSE to portray their characters as contemporaries. I dont know how either one actually spoke in day to day discourse, and I doubt you do either.

Ah, well, now you're adding qualifiers. (But you can bet that both of them used plenty of the profane language that showed up in their works in their everyday lives. Nowhere in either Shakespeare or Joyce is use of profanity portrayed as something horribly negative, and more often than not it's used for humor. If they found it funny enough to write down, they probably found it funny enough to say over drinks at the pub. And Joyce in particular was just a dirty, dirty man who absolutely adored potty humor.)

Although in the case of James Joyce, I'd bet he cussed.

So are you saying that James Joyce was unintelligent, or that you're wrong?

(And for the record, I'm not trying to convince you that your personal aversion to profanity is bad or wrong. If you don't like profanity, fine. If you find profanity unclassy, fine. If you prefer not to use profanity, fine. It's the claim that anyone who uses profanity is unintelligent that's wrong, and that's all I'm taking issue with.)

EDIT: Trent Reznor's a pretty smart guy, too. "I want to copulate with you like an animal" just ain't that catchy, though.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

you are one sick puppy Steve.

SOMEBODY has to be around here.

[irishgrl]

Sure I could. I could go out and find a bunch of people who frequently use profanity and give them IQ tests. I'm certainly not going to, but this is clearly a provable or disprovable thing.

No, you're getting what I said mixed up with what YOU are trying to prove. I didnt say intelligent people dont cuss. I said I believed that intelligent people would find an alternative. The key here is the phrase I BELIEVE. In my opinion, intelligent people will find alternatives to cuss words. That is how I guide MYSELF. by the way, I'd be willing to bet that people who cuss frequently probably wouldnt score as high on the vocabulary part....

Ah, well, now you're adding qualifiers. (But you can bet that both of them used plenty of the profane language that showed up in their works in their everyday lives. Nowhere in either Shakespeare or Joyce is use of profanity portrayed as something horribly negative, and more often than not it's used for humor. If they found it funny enough to write down, they probably found it funny enough to say over drinks at the pub. And Joyce in particular was just a dirty, dirty man who absolutely adored potty humor.)

Im not using qualifiers, Im only stating the obvious. The Irish are known cussers. I dont know about Shakespeare's everyday speech, and Im not about to assume that he was writing his OWN speech. Its pretty well documented that he was portraying the common folk in his writings. And I confess, I enjoy bathroom humor as much as the next person. But I sure as heck wouldnt start throwing around four letter words at a charity function, or a black tie event or any other gathering of upper crusters. As I said earlier, remember the fracas about Cheney's four letter word? or Bush's snide remarks about the asshole reporters? It tended to make those men look boorish and loutish and lets face it: neanderthal.

So are you saying that James Joyce was unintelligent, or that you're wrong?

neither. merely that he is IRISH. cussing comes with the territory. its passing strange to me. Again. I am not saying intelligent people dont ever cuss, only that they can find substitutes for cuss words. And if they are classy as well as intelligent, I betcha dollars to donuts they arent loading their talk with four letter words.

(And for the record, I'm not trying to convince you that your personal aversion to profanity is bad or wrong. If you don't like profanity, fine. If you find profanity unclassy, fine. If you prefer not to use profanity, fine. It's the claim that anyone who uses profanity is unintelligent that's wrong, and that's all I'm taking issue with.)

see above. As I stated in an earlier post, I said that it was the standard by which I guided my life and that my mother said that an intelligent person would find a substitute for profanity. I also said Ive cussed in my day but that I wasnt proud of it and that it was in extreme cases.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by Jyqm

I'm not sure what kinds of porns you're renting, man, but the joke I was making is that "Oma" is a German word for "grandmother."

Maybe in the San Fernando Valley, it's an acronym for "Only Mature Audiences" or "Old Male Asspounding" or something...

Just in the world of Kazaa downloading, the word OMA sometimes pops up. I downloaded one, and yeah, it was an old lady doin' it. But I still wasn't sure that OMA meant Grandma. I mean, Grandma's probably still need to do it, I just don't want to know about it!

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Just in the world of Kazaa downloading, the word OMA sometimes pops up. I downloaded one, and yeah, it was an old lady doin' it. But I still wasn't sure that OMA meant Grandma. I mean, Grandma's probably still need to do it, I just don't want to know about it!

they aint dead yet buddy boy!

[jannieC]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

I'd be willing to bet that people who cuss frequently probably wouldnt score as high on the vocabulary part....

Just need to chime in that I curse quite a bit and scored really well on the vocab part of the GRE. Just saying...