Bush's Obscene Tirades Rattle White House Aides

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Originally Posted by dissention

What???

Iraq was bombed for 12 years straight by the United States during sanctions. During the Lewinsky scandal, Clinton not only bombed Iraq, but Sudan and Afghanistan, too. He shot cruise missiles without batting an eyelash.

Ah, yes, that was it. Thanks. Sorry for the repeat, didn't see this.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

Well, are we talking before Clinton here? from what I recall of the headlines, Clinton Bombed Iraq during the Lewinsky mess. that doesnt equal 12 years.

Honey, the United States was bombing Iraq during Clinton's entire run as POTU. Don't even get me started on Kosovo and Serbia.

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Originally Posted by amber

Ah, yes, that was it. Thanks. Sorry for the repeat, didn't see this.

and yet, I stand firm. Sudan was a UN peacekeeping operation (therefore sanctioned and not a unilateral action contrary to Diss and Lux) and Afghanistan was fighting Russia and again, I repeat: if anyone can post articles/headlines that detail Clinton's actions there (and prove a lack of justification) I will gladly say I stand corrected.

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Originally Posted by amber

Not to jump into this semi boring yet almost informative debate, but I'm pretty sure Clinton bombed more than one place. Pretty darn sure. The super liberal and extremely knowledgeable guy at my work hates Clinton, and I asked why, and he named a few different places that Clinton bombed, and why he bombed them, and it was pretty ugly...

Iraq.
Kosovo.
Serbia.
Belgrade.
Sudan.
Afghanistan.

The list is enormous.

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Originally Posted by dissention

Iraq.
Kosovo.
Serbia.
Belgrade.
Sudan.
Afghanistan.

The list is enormous.

Right, exactly. The bad part is that some of the things Clinton did that guy told me, I had never even heard about, which is scary.
And I'm pretty sure I will never think all these bombings were justified, UN "peacekeeping" operation, unilateral decision or not.

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by dissention

Honey, the United States was bombing Iraq during Clinton's entire run as POTU. Don't even get me started on Kosovo and Serbia.

oh but I will: both of which were sanctioned by Lux's favorite World voice, the UN!!! Puh leez. We were there because we were asked to be there!
Clinton didnt go in there (or ANYWHERE) unilaterally like Monkey boy is doing.

Clinton didnt need to create the "pre-emptive strike" doctrine, like Monkey Boy.
there is NO comparison. Whatever Clinton did, he did at the request of another agency. He was a lame duck president after all, halfway into his first term.
Sorry. you just cant point to his few military forays (with UN approval) and call him an "indiscriminate bomber" nope. not happening.

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Originally Posted by irishgrl

as for Sudan, as I recall, we had UN peacekeeping troops over there, therefore we were directly involved, and any such bombing would have been a military decision, right or wrong.

Clinton bombed Khartoum in Sudan. Do you know how poor they are over there? His bombing destroyed over 50% of their pharmaceutical supply. He claimed that the plant he bombed was producing nerve gas. It was not. He claimed that the plant he bombed was connected to Bin Laden. He never showed anything that came close to proving such a thing. What he did was a violation of international law.

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Originally Posted by irishgrl

AGAIN: the info was only shown to be faulty during BUSH'S term. NOT CLINTON'S. IE: Clinton didnt know. I dont buy into that stupid theory that Clinton bombed Iraq as a diversion from his domestic troubles. Thats stupid and he's NOT stupid. If you think he's going to bomb Iraq and hope that it would divert America's attention away from the Starr Report (the most lurid thing to come out of the annals of American Politics) then you're even more credulous than I imagined.......Clinton was too smart for that sort of pie in the sky thinking.....

btw: if you agree with Lux, then you are mathematically challenged as well.
ONE time does not equal indiscriminate.

BULL****.

Didn't Clinton order cruise missiles to attack Iraq because Saddam had ejected UNSCOM from Iraq...for spying for the United States? Kinda funny how the Washington Post knew all about it and were told to delay the article until the strikes.

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by dissention

Clinton bombed Khartoum in Sudan. Do you know how poor they are over there? His bombing destroyed over 50% of their pharmaceutical supply. He claimed that the plant he bombed was producing nerve gas. It was not. He claimed that the plant he bombed was connected to Bin Laden. He never showed anything that came close to proving such a thing. What he did was a violation of international law.

If what you are saying were true, why then isnt he being tried on charges?

Diss, I never said that people didnt suffer as a result of bombing, even Clinton said he regretted the loss of innocent life...but your continual jabs at him are unfair since he had the backing of the UN for those actions (except maybe Iraq, and even then, the UN recognized Saddam was a threat)
I dont condone baseless bombing.
All I am doing here is stating that you cant call Clinton's actions "indiscriminate" when he acted either under color of UN approval or by virtue of intelligence, and therefore, in the US interest. (Im not saying I agree with it)

Bush had more current intelligence than Clinton had and for him to use the SAME intelligence as Clinton is disingenuous to say the least. Bush knew better. Clinton didnt.

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Originally Posted by irishgrl

oh but I will: both of which were sanctioned by Lux's favorite World voice, the UN!!! Puh leez. We were there because we were asked to be there!
Clinton didnt go in there (or ANYWHERE) unilaterally like Monkey boy is doing.

Clinton bombed Serbia and Kosovo in 1999 on his own accord, Mary. The CIA even warned him against bombing Kosovo and Serbia, yet he didn't listen. He was told that any attacks would further more ethnic cleansing against the Albanians. Then Clinton attacked and acted as if he was surprised when there was a dramatic surge in ethnic cleansing.

Originally Posted by irishgrl

there is NO comparison. Whatever Clinton did, he did at the request of another agency. He was a lame duck president after all, halfway into his first term.
Sorry. you just cant point to his few military forays (with UN approval) and call him an "indiscriminate bomber" nope. not happening.

BULL****. I think you should bone up on the things Clinton actually did while in office.

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Originally Posted by irishgrl

If what you are saying were true, why then isnt he being tried on charges?

Diss, I never said that people didnt suffer as a result of bombing, even Clinton said he regretted the loss of innocent life...but your continual jabs at him are unfair since he had the backing of the UN for those actions (except maybe Iraq, and even then, the UN recognized Saddam was a threat)
I dont condone baseless bombing.
All I am doing here is stating that you cant call Clinton's actions "indiscriminate" when he acted either under color of UN approval or by virtue of intelligence, and therefore, in the US interest. (Im not saying I agree with it)

Bush had more current intelligence than Clinton had and for him to use the SAME intelligence as Clinton is disingenuous to say the least. Bush knew better. Clinton didnt.

When did the United Nations give Clinton their blessing to bomb an aspirin factory?!

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by dissention

BULL****.

Didn't Clinton order cruise missiles to attack Iraq because Saddam had ejected UNSCOM from Iraq...for spying for the United States? Kinda funny how the Washington Post knew all about it and were told to delay the article until the strikes.

uh, whats yer point? we're still talking about Iraq here, and again, the UN had declared him to be non-cooperative therefore, subject to various actions, including economic sactions, and military strikes. and inspections, and checkpoints and on and on. give me a break...

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by dissention

When did the United Nations give Clinton their blessing to bomb an aspirin factory?!

was that an INTENTIONAL target or an INCIDENTAL target?
again, we are talking about Iraq, which was viewed at least since Bush Sr's tenure, as an incalcitrant, obstructive, non cooperative nation who was also dangerous and capable of utilizing nuclear weapons.

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Originally Posted by irishgrl

uh, whats yer point? we're still talking about Iraq here, and again, the UN had declared him to be non-cooperative therefore, subject to various actions, including economic sactions, and military strikes. and inspections, and checkpoints and on and on. give me a break...

Yeah, really, give ME a break. The fact that you can defend his actions like this says a lot.

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Originally Posted by amber

semi boring yet almost informative

in summary...we all suck