Juvenile death penalty unconstitutional - Page 7

strandinthewind · #91 03-02-2005, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by GateandGarden

. . . I want acceptance and understanding.

With all due respect, in all aspects of your life you will never really have that from the generic everyone

ontheEdgeof17 · #92 03-02-2005, 02:48 PM

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I would think so.

I was just saying that you don't know how ppl vote so it's hard to say who is active towards it and who is not.

strandinthewind · #93 03-02-2005, 02:48 PM

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Of course. Just look at George W. Bush vs. John Kerry.

Like racism, gay discrimination is always going to exist. It doesn't help when you have political leaders comparing gay relationships to beastiality, but we live in a country where people believe such things. We also live in a country where dominant religious beliefs are passed off on pretty much everyone, regardless of how you personally feel. I know I'm not happy that my tax money goes to fund faith-based initiatives in churches that are run by scumbags, but such is life. So, if we have bigots and religious fundies running the joint, I'll take someone who doesn't agree with gay marriage instead of someone who disagrees with gay marriage and actively tries to prevent it.

I agree - hypothetically, if I think abortion is wrong and it is the taking of a life but realize that that is my opinion and it should not be thrust on any pregnant woman (hence pro choice) - I would not be happy that my tax dollars go to fund abortions. Yet, I have to realize that such is life. Pro-choice people will take everyone being like this as opposed to total non pro choice.

dissention · #94 03-02-2005, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17

I was just saying that you don't know how ppl vote so it's hard to say who is active towards it and who is not.

I never asserted that I did. I simply said that I'll take the people who disagree with it but don't actively try to prevent it over the people who disagree with it and do try to prevent.

The Tower · #95 03-02-2005, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Well, they do in the sense that if we assume all teens cannot understand the ramifications of what they are doing, then that should be applied evenly. It is possible that that teen that is not able to understand the ramifications of things will later regret her decision and think she committed murder, which is her choice and why it is called pro choice

Then again, I am for parental consent with a judicial escape hatch for this same reason.

In any event, I think they are related but I still oppose the DP for minors.

Any woman who gets abortion is going to have to live with the possibility of regretting it, regardless of her age. However, the decision regarding the abortion is directly related to the life of the mother- not the mother's parents, or anyone else for that matter. If a pregnant teen thinks that her life will be ruined from an unwanted pregnancy, no one should be able to stop her. Just because her parents may disagree is meaningless- they're not going to be forced to care for the kid.

Again- this has nothing to do with the idea that punishment should be restrained with regard to young people who may not be able to understand the ramifications of their actions.

ontheEdgeof17 · #96 03-02-2005, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

I never asserted that I did. I simply said that I'll take the people who disagree with it but don't actively try to prevent it over the people who disagree with it and do try to prevent.

I see what you are saying.

I just think it is an impossible thing to do, if that would every arise. I can't see people who oppose homosexuality to vote 'yes' to gay marriage. Everyone has a voice at the polls and they are actively preventing it.....unless they don't vote, in which leads to what you are trying to say.

DrummerDeanna · #97 03-02-2005, 03:07 PM

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I see what you are saying.

I just think it is an impossible thing to do, if that would every arise. I can't see people who oppose homosexuality to vote 'yes' to gay marriage. Everyone has a voice at the polls and they are actively preventing it.....unless they don't vote, in which leads to what you are trying to say.

Whoa - I just noticed that the motion Stevie is making in your avatar...well it's a little...um....well - haha....just watch it

I like. I like

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Back to the topic - I agree with Jason - that you're never ever going to get full and complete acceptance and understanding from everyone - I mean there are still people who think that inter-racial marriage is a sin

SuzeQuze · #98 03-02-2005, 03:17 PM

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Ditto

Jumping on this bandwagon.

ontheEdgeof17 · #99 03-02-2005, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna

Whoa - I just noticed that the motion Stevie is making in your avatar...well it's a little...um....well - haha....just watch it

I like. I like

Oh my. I've never noticed.

Stevie, you hooch!

DrummerDeanna · #**100** 03-02-2005, 03:23 PM

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Oh my. I've never noticed.

Stevie, you hooch!

I never noticed either - so either Dissention and Ryan (and others) have totally begun to corrupt my mind....or I'm in an uncharacteristically dirty mood

SuzeQuze · #**101** 03-02-2005, 03:25 PM

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Oh my. I've never noticed.

Stevie, you hooch!

Me neither! Haha, that's great.

GateandGarden · #**102** 03-02-2005, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

With all due respect, in all aspects of your life you will never really have that from the generic everyone

You're right about that.

But, isn't it something that you would want to strive for from the people with which you associate in your life as opposed to total strangers?

strandinthewind · #**103** 03-02-2005, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by GateandGarden

You're right about that.

But, isn't it something that you would want to strive for from the people with which you associate in your life as opposed to total strangers?

I will sound like a 60 year old here, but - I used to strive for acceptance. I used to want people to reward me so to speak. But, in my 38 years on this rock, I have learned that only I can do that. Sure it is nice when others do it - everyone likes that. But, I like me a whole lot more and that is all the acceptance I need. I am not sure I am describing this correctly