Democrats Say Rice Misled About Iraq War - Page 7

strandinthewind · #91 01-27-2005, 10:48 PM

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With the exception of Oregon, those were all red states.

true - but W did not win by those margins in those states

dissention · #92 01-27-2005, 10:49 PM

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True - but we are talking 20 years or so from now. Who the hell knows what will happen then. Plus, they could always change their minds after years of demionizing gay people by their religious leaders

The youth of this country are not cattle like their parents, contrary to popular beliefs. Growing up in the current environment will shape them into true liberals in the future. I firmly believe that.

SuzeQuze · #93 01-27-2005, 10:49 PM

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ITA - I have said more than once that people loved Clinton and Bush for the same reason - they both come across as real people and nonelitist. Granted Clinton had far humbler beginnings than W, but Clinton was a Rhode scholar, which is pretty elite

W is also well educated and, IMO FAR from dumb - despite his inability to speak - I mean you cannot be an idiot and fly a jet fighter. But, they both come across as real people to the general public. That is what makes them well liked even when they are lying

They do share that trait. It is charm. I would vote bright over charm any day but apparently that is not how most people feel. I agree on the point that Bush is not dumb. I really don't think he is, although most definitely he's a dunce linguistically. But he seems to know exactly what he is doing which is even more frightening.

dissention · #94 01-27-2005, 10:50 PM

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I know what sovereignty means, it means that you are sovereign, that you have...that you're sovereign...

Fool me once, shame on you...fool me twice...well...er...um...you can't get fooled again.

strandinthewind · #95 01-27-2005, 10:50 PM

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And I never argued otherwise. I'm simply pointing out that as the years wear on, the Democratic party becomes more and more conservative. And that's not a way to win votes.

well, yes it is and Kerry getting 48% and 57,288,974 votes is prrof of that. As are the votes gotten by Clinton and Gore

They know that the far left will for the most part vote for the D candidate in a swing state and even if they do not, the D candidate picks up maybe four votes for every far left vote lost

It is a numbers game pure and simple.

Hawkeye · #96 01-27-2005, 10:51 PM

The guy I want to be president in 08 is John Mcain. I know you dislike him for some reason Diss, but he's against the Iraq war and for helping the enviroment, and probably more of a democrat then some democrats.

SuzeQuze · #97 01-27-2005, 10:51 PM

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Fool me once, shame on you...fool me twice...well...er...um...you can't get fooled again.

As I say to my friends in Texas, I wish I knew the law.

GypsySorcerer · #98 01-27-2005, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

true - but W did not win by those margins in those states

He won by quite a bit in KY, MO, etc.

It was not 70%, but it was 60%.

strandinthewind · #99 01-27-2005, 10:51 PM

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But, see, they're too concerned with winning over rural America. And they'll do and say anything to do it. Problem is, they can't face the reality that it's not going to happen.

well, that is a bit shortsited

The D's still have to carry some of these states for the Senate? They are not going to do that with a far left agenda?

dissention · #**100** 01-27-2005, 10:53 PM

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well, yes it is and Kerry getting 48% and 57,288,974 votes is prrof of that. As are the votes gotten by Clinton and Gore

They know that the far left will for the most part vote for the D candidate in a swing state and even if they do not, the D candidate picks up maybe four votes for every far left vote lost

It is a numbers game pure and simple.

If I see that

icon again, I am going to vomit. That thing drives me bonkers more than I can express with the written word.

As for what you said, I'll respectfully disagree. The Dems are at a crossroads and they're currently going in the direction of the bad road. If they continue on, they're in big ****ing trouble, believe you me.

strandinthewind · #**101** 01-27-2005, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawkeye

The guy I want to be president in 08 is John Mcain. I know you dislike him for some reason Diss, but he's against the Iraq war and for helping the enviroment, and probably more of a democrat then some democrats.

I would vote for him in a minute, esp. over W - I wanted him to win the R nomination in 00 - I would have voted for him over Gore any day of the week.

strandinthewind · #**102** 01-27-2005, 10:54 PM

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He won by quite a bit in KY, MO, etc.

It was not 70%, but it was 60%.

Thus, my point that gay marriage and the amendments are issues that cross over party lines and are supported by many D's - sadly so IMO.

dissention · #**103** 01-27-2005, 10:54 PM

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The guy I want to be president in 08 is John Mcain. I know you dislike him for some reason Diss, but he's against the Iraq war and for helping the enviroment, and probably more of a democrat then some democrats.

FORGIVE ME WHILE I VOMIT IN MY HAT

He's a tool. Integrity is a word he's never heard. He's not against Iraq, he's all for it.

strandinthewind · #**104** 01-27-2005, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

If I see that

icon again, I am going to vomit. That thing drives me bonkers more than I can express with the written word.

As for what you said, I'll respectfully disagree. The Dems are at a crossroads and they're currently going in the direction of the bad road. If they continue on, they're in big ****ing trouble, believe you me.

what do you mean