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Old 01-24-2005, 10:52 PM
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Ted Kennedy supported the Medicare Reform Bill
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U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 108th Congress - 1st Session

as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate


Vote Summary

Question: On the Conference Report (H.R. 1 Conference Report )
Vote Number: 459 Vote Date: November 25, 2003, 09:23 AM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Conference Report Agreed to
Measure Number: H.R. 1 (Prescription Drug and Medicare Improvement Act of 2003 )
Measure Title: An act to amend title XVIII of the Social Security Act to provide for a voluntary prescription drug benefit under the medicare program and to strengthen and improve the medicare program, and for other purposes.
Vote Counts: YEAs 54
NAYs 44
Not Voting 2
Vote Summary By Senator Name By Vote Position By Home State


Alphabetical by Senator Name Akaka (D-HI), Nay
Alexander (R-TN), Yea
Allard (R-CO), Yea
Allen (R-VA), Yea
Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Bayh (D-IN), Nay
Bennett (R-UT), Yea
Biden (D-DE), Nay
Bingaman (D-NM), Nay
Bond (R-MO), Yea
Boxer (D-CA), Nay
Breaux (D-LA), Yea
Brownback (R-KS), Yea
Bunning (R-KY), Yea
Burns (R-MT), Yea
Byrd (D-WV), Nay
Campbell (R-CO), Yea
Cantwell (D-WA), Nay
Carper (D-DE), Yea
Chafee (R-RI), Nay
Chambliss (R-GA), Yea
Clinton (D-NY), Nay
Cochran (R-MS), Yea
Coleman (R-MN), Yea
Collins (R-ME), Yea
Conrad (D-ND), Yea
Cornyn (R-TX), Yea
Corzine (D-NJ), Nay
Craig (R-ID), Yea
Crapo (R-ID), Yea
Daschle (D-SD), Nay
Dayton (D-MN), Nay
DeWine (R-OH), Yea
Dodd (D-CT), Nay
Dole (R-NC), Yea
Domenici (R-NM), Yea
Dorgan (D-ND), Yea
Durbin (D-IL), Nay
Edwards (D-NC), Nay
Ensign (R-NV), Nay
Enzi (R-WY), Yea
Feingold (D-WI), Nay
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Fitzgerald (R-IL), Yea
Frist (R-TN), Yea
Graham (D-FL), Nay
Graham (R-SC), Nay
Grassley (R-IA), Yea
Gregg (R-NH), Nay
Hagel (R-NE), Nay
Harkin (D-IA), Nay
Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Hollings (D-SC), Nay
Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
Inhofe (R-OK), Yea
Inouye (D-HI), Nay
Jeffords (I-VT), Yea
Johnson (D-SD), Nay
Kennedy (D-MA), Nay
Kerry (D-MA), Not Voting
Kohl (D-WI), Nay
Kyl (R-AZ), Yea
Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
Lautenberg (D-NJ), Nay
Leahy (D-VT), Nay
Levin (D-MI), Nay
Lieberman (D-CT), Not Voting
Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
Lott (R-MS), Nay
Lugar (R-IN), Yea
McCain (R-AZ), Nay
McConnell (R-KY), Yea
Mikulski (D-MD), Nay
Miller (D-GA), Yea
Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Nay
Nelson (D-FL), Nay
Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Nickles (R-OK), Nay
Pryor (D-AR), Nay
Reed (D-RI), Nay
Reid (D-NV), Nay
Roberts (R-KS), Yea
Rockefeller (D-WV), Nay
Santorum (R-PA), Yea
Sarbanes (D-MD), Nay
Schumer (D-NY), Nay
Sessions (R-AL), Yea
Shelby (R-AL), Yea
Smith (R-OR), Yea
Snowe (R-ME), Yea
Specter (R-PA), Yea
Stabenow (D-MI), Nay
Stevens (R-AK), Yea
Sununu (R-NH), Nay
Talent (R-MO), Yea
Thomas (R-WY), Yea
Voinovich (R-OH), Yea
Warner (R-VA), Yea
Wyden (D-OR), Yea

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...n=1&vote=00459

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Old 01-24-2005, 10:55 PM
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Ah ha - I was wrong.

BTW - what was the photo op thing - maybe it was educaiton?
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Old 01-24-2005, 10:57 PM
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It was the education bill

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0020108-1.html

Interestingly, that bill is hardly a bastion of liberalism
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Old 01-24-2005, 11:04 PM
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Says who? Last I checked any California resident could get a permit to carry a gun In fact, here is San Diego's website http://www.sdsheriff.net/mgt_serv/licensing/ccw.html

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SUBJECT: APPLICATION FOR A CONCEALED WEAPONS LICENSE

Enclosed is an application for a concealed weapons license. Please review it carefully. If you choose to submit this application, complete all sections with the exception of the two signature areas. Then collect the documentation to support your request and complete the additional safety training class as required by law. The documentation required to support your application is explained below.

Applications must be submitted to Sheriff’s License Division in person. Please call Sheriff’s License Division at 858-974-2020 to schedule an appointment. Appointments may be set between the hours of 8:00 a.m. to 4:00 Monday through Thursday and 9:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. on Fridays. You will need to allow an hour for the interview, fingerprints and photograph.

The Department of Justice and San Diego County Sheriff’s Department are both involved in the processing of this application and each agency requires certain fees. The current fee schedule is as follows:

Initial Application Fees
Cash or check made payable to San Diego Sheriff’s Department for $44.00 plus a money order made payable to DOJ as shown below:

Standard (Two-year) license 100.00 money order

Judicial (Three-year) license 122.00 money order

Reserve Peace Officer (Four-year) 144.00 money order

Renewal Fees
A single payment in the form of cash or check made payable to San Diego Sheriff’s Department shall be submitted for renewal of a CCW permit as shown below:

Standard (Two-year) license 67.00

Judicial (Three-year) license 89.00

Reserve Peace Officer (Four-year) 111.00

Fees are subject to change as allowed by law. They are processing fees and as such are not refundable regardless of the decision made on the application.

Applicants must complete a course of training prior to submitting this application. Enclosed is a list of instructors whose course curriculum is accepted by this Department as meeting the criteria for PC12050(a)(1)(B) and (E). Applicants may contact anyone on the list for this training.

Documentation
All new applicants must demonstrate they are residents of San Diego County, have good cause and good moral character, pursuant to PC 12050. For purposes of this application, applicants must submit proof of residency in the form of two current, unpaid utility bills that list their name, service address and mailing address (or other similar type proof). Three character reference letters are required to assist in substantiating good moral character. These letters must be written by local residents and contain a local address and phone number. Letters will not be accepted from any relatives. The writer must also acknowledge he or she understands the letter is for an application for a concealed weapons permit.

Good cause is an individual issue; however, if applying for business purposes, proof that you are in actual and legitimate business will be required. Business owners must submit proof of business ownership and employees must submit a letter from their employer stating he or she approves of and accepts the liability for the employee carrying a concealed weapon while performing business duties. Valid California identification is also required.

Law Enforcement employees who are required to qualify quarterly are exempt from the requirement of the training class. Call for information on this and exemption of character reference letters.

Other verifications will be requested on an individual basis. Residence verifications, proof of good cause and proof of training class are required with subsequent (renewal) applications.

If there are other questions not already addressed, please call Sheriff’s License Division.

Sincerely,

WILLIAM B. KOLENDER, SHERIFF



Blanca Pelowitz, Manager
License Division



But, even if you are correct, that does not make her a hypocrite against gun control - nice try though
Everyone could get a CCW permit when she made those statements? Boy, that's news to me.

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Old 01-24-2005, 11:06 PM
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Doncha just love how Miss Gun Control has her finger on the TRIGGER of an AK-47 in that picture? What a twit.
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Old 01-24-2005, 11:07 PM
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Saying GOP Broke Word, Kennedy Vows New Tactics
by Susan Millian
WASHINGTON -- When the Senate voted last summer to provide Medicare patients with prescription drug coverage, a fiery Senator Edward M. Kennedy hailed the bill as "the greatest action in a generation to mend the broken promise of Medicare."

The senator's readiness to compromise with Republicans has irritated some of his liberal allies, who were baffled by his support of the USA Patriot Act, for instance, and his refusal to back importation of prescription drugs from Canada and Europe.

Now, it is Kennedy complaining about broken promises, after Republican leaders took the bill Kennedy painstakingly negotiated and morphed it into an industry-friendly "Medicare reform" package that opens the 38-year-old entitlement program to competition with private insurers. The senator, who had spent months cajoling Democrats to back his version of the legislation, was back on the floor this week with equal passion, pleading with his colleagues to stop the measure he charged had been "hijacked" by Republicans.

It was the second time Kennedy had seen legacy-building legislation he had crafted become a source of disappointment and division within his own party. No Child Left Behind, Kennedy's signature education reform bill, was underfunded by the Bush administration and is being attacked by teachers for undermining local control of schools.

Some Democrats complain that Kennedy, in a reach for career-capping legislation, has ended up handing two of the party's most potent issues to the Republicans.

Kennedy himself blames President Bush and the GOP, alleging unfair dealing.

"When the president of the United States looks you in the eye and says the resources will be there, I believe it," Kennedy said, referring to the funding for the education bill. But "the resources haven't been there."

In response, Kennedy vowed to change his own tactics, saying he wants to "pre-conference" bills to avoid building support for legislation that, once passed by the Senate, gets rewritten in conference committees with conservative House members.

But in the wake of the Medicare negotiations, many are skeptical of Kennedy's ability to advance his agenda. Lawmakers and analysts are quick to note that Kennedy still carries tremendous clout in Washington, but they question whether the Senate's second-most-senior member can achieve the goals he seeks in education and health care in a brutally partisan Congress.

There is a "much sharper ideological polarization now than when Kennedy did much of his signature legislating," said Thomas Mann, a congressional scholar with the Brookings Institution. "And the Republicans in the White House and in the majority in Congress are more focused, unified, and tough in pursuing their policy and political objectives than Democrats ever were in a comparable position."

Kennedy carries a national reputation as one of the Democratic Party's most dedicated liberals, a man whose craggy, well-known face raises beloved memories of Camelot among Democrats and stokes the anger of conservative Republicans. But on Capitol Hill, the 71-year-old senator is known as a deal-maker, wheedling what he can get by developing unlikely alliances with such conservative Republican senators as Don Nickles of Oklahoma and Judd Gregg of New Hampshire.

Senator Orrin Hatch, a Utah Republican who said he came to Washington "to fight Ted Kennedy" counts his Judiciary Committee colleague as a personal friend; Kennedy's 70th birthday party at his home last year was attended by several high-ranking Republicans and Bush administration officials.

The senator's readiness to compromise with Republicans has irritated some of his liberal allies, who were baffled by his support of the USA Patriot Act, for instance, and his refusal to back importation of prescription drugs from Canada and Europe.

Senator Tom Harkin, Democrat of Iowa, was among those perplexed by Kennedy's efforts this summer to pass the original Medicare bill and disappointed by the reality of No Child Left Behind, which imposes performance and testing standards on schools.

"I followed his lead on No Child Left Behind, and I'm sorry I voted for the darn thing," Harkin said in an interview this summer. But Harkin, like many of Kennedy's friends, this week defended Kennedy's efforts on Medicare. Kennedy lined up Democratic support for an initial bill that was hailed as a bipartisan compromise. Then, Republican leaders went behind Kennedy's back to rewrite the bill to their own specifications. When it finally emerged, it was vastly different. The provision exposing some aspects of Medicare to private competition was added completely.

"I can understand why Senator Kennedy is upset," Harkin said.

But it was too late for Kennedy, who mounted a lonely and passionate campaign to kill the bill the senator charged was "a calculated program to unravel Medicare, to privatize it, to voucherize it, and to force senior citizens into the cold arms of HMOs." Defeated Tuesday on one of his most dearly-held issues, Kennedy walked off the floor, politely rebuffing approaches by several of his friends and colleagues who had just voted to transform a program whose creation Kennedy had witnessed from the same chamber nearly four decades before.

"You have to wonder if Senator Kennedy had not gotten out ahead up front on Medicare and prescription drugs, whether the momentum . . . would have ever gotten as strong as it got to be," said Stuart Rothenberg, an independent political analyst. "He basically credentialed the Republican effort. By the time he jumped off the train, it had already built up momentum."

Conservatives maintain that for all of his complaints, Kennedy has gotten largely what he wanted: nearly $395 billion in new drug benefits under Medicare, representing the biggest expansion of the Great Society program in its history, as well as a record level of education spending under the still not fully funded No Child Left Behind package.

"Kennedy got Republicans to build the infrastructure of the Medicare entitlement" for prescription drugs, which will probably receive more funding in the future, said Robert Moffet, a health care analyst with the Heritage Foundation. "I don't see this as a loss for Senator Kennedy." Tom Scully, administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid, said he would be "astounded" if Kennedy did not ultimately support the program "when the politics calm down."

Kennedy, for his part, said his experience with Medicare has convinced him to take new measures to protect other bills he has been negotiating with Republicans, including the reauthorization of Head Start and the IDEA program for disabled students. He said he will demand commitments up front that Democrats be included in conference committees, and that major changes are avoided.

On future bills, Kennedy said, he will have to ask himself, "Do we pass this, or not pass this? Will it get hijacked in conference? We may have to have a situation where you don't pass the bill unless you pre-conference it" -- that is, obtain a firm agreement with House leaders in advance.

Looking tired but resolute despite his recent defeat, Kennedy vowed to start fighting for the bills he cares about on next year's agenda.

"We've got a Republican White House, a Republican House, and a Republican Senate -- it's difficult," he said. But "If I were to make up my mind that there's no need to try, I wouldn't remain in the Senate."
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Kerry (D-MA), Not Voting
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Dianne Feinstein, 4-27-95: “I know the urge to arm yourself because that’s what I did. I was trained in firearms. I’d walk to the hospital when my husband was sick. I carried a concealed weapon. I made the determination that if somebody was going to try to take me out, I was going to take them with me.”

Dianne Feinstein on 60 Minutes in 1995: “If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an out-right ban…I would have done it.”
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I know. You think we could have sensed there was a problem then?
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Everyone could get a CCW permit when she made those statements? Boy, that's news to me.

pretty much everyone (save former convicts, etc.) - but you have to apply and pass the background check and other criteria - which is what they mean when they say "gun control" - If you know differently, let's see the law
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Dianne Feinstein, 4-27-95: “I know the urge to arm yourself because that’s what I did. I was trained in firearms. I’d walk to the hospital when my husband was sick. I carried a concealed weapon. I made the determination that if somebody was going to try to take me out, I was going to take them with me.”

Dianne Feinstein on 60 Minutes in 1995: “If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an out-right ban…I would have done it.”
well, who the would not. She is saying if she could get rid of all of the guns she would. But that will never happen Thus, gun control - which and again is not banning all guns.

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pretty much everyone (save former convicts, etc.) - but you have to apply and pass the background check and other criteria - which is what they mean when they say "gun control" - If you know differently, let's see the law
You're talking out of your ass and you know it. CCW permits were for the politicians, celebs, and police officers. Go look up the history of CCW permits in California and get back to me.
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You're talking out of your ass and you know it. CCW permits were for the politicians, celebs, and police officers. Go look up the history of CCW permits in California and get back to me.
I did - it does not support you.
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well, who the would not. She is saying if she could get rid of all of the guns she would. But that will never happen Thus, gun control - which and again is not banning all guns.

You lose so gracefully


Miss Feinstein should have the right to carry concealed weapons, but us peasants shouldn't, eh?
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I did - it does not support you.
You obviously didn't and it does.

Again, look up the history of CCW permits in California and get back to me.
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