Earlier or later writings better?

[takenbythesky]

Originally Posted by GateandGarden

IMO, "I Miss You" is a ****ty piece of crap. But you won't see me saying that about any other Stevie songs. (Maybe "WISYA," but I have a hard time being that hateful about that one even ). I just really hate that one song. It's mediocrity at its best. (I love that oxymoron). Once again, that's just my opinion of that song. I don't think it's anywhere near as good as any of the material on Bella Donna, and I can't even say that I really like every single song on that album. I agree that "Trouble in Shangri-La" is just as good (though I would've preferred the same production on that one as the Bella Donna songs), but I also think TISL is an anomaly these days.

"****ty piece of crap..."
I agree that "Trouble In Shangri-La" is an anomaly, much stronger than most of her recent work. I also dislike the production on the Trouble In Shangri-La album, too cold--like they stripped the material of something.

I just know that someone is waiting to pounce on the fact that I like Rock A Little and have the gumption to diss the production of Trouble In Shangri-La. It's just my taste...I could eat "Sister Honey" all up, I love it that much...

Anyway, thanks Hillary!
--Justin

[ontheEdgeof17]

Why does everyone relate everything to Bella Donna? That was 1981 for goodness sakes. It's apples and oranges. If everything sounded like Bella Donna, then we would be complaining about how all her stuff sounds the same. I give props to her that none of her albums sound like the previous one. If I wanted 6 Bella Donnas, I would have bought 6 Bella Donnas.



....and I Miss You is far from ****ty. She wrote it and recorded it for a reason. It means sometime to her. That point alone makes it un****ty (is that a word? )

[Serrart]

I voted for both equally but the main difference that make me being closer to Stevie's more recent writings is the different, fresh and more courageous way to express her art.

Beware... I'm going to ramble again :
Codes and mysticism very often used strategically, are suggestive, but also a comfortable cover for tough topics. To speak about drugs, the complex relationship between a star and his/her fans, death, we got wonderful and powerful gold dust women, pale shadows, dragons, sisters of the moons, white winged doves. Twenty years later instead her truth is almost deafening in songs like Trouble in Shangri-La, I Miss You, Space Needle, Illume, Everybody Finds Out, Destiny Rules.... Old demos like The Tower and No Light gained a new touch of inspiration in Goodbye Baby and Planets Of the Universe Obviously a huge range of metaphors is and will ever be part of her style, but today IMO she is able to look at herself, her past, the world she is living, with a more vibrant and compelling energy.

Basically... Stevie rules
Romy

[Villavic]

lyrics, equally
but melodies, earlier are better

[takenbythesky]

Originally Posted by Serrart

Codes and mysticism very often used strategically, are suggestive, but also a comfortable cover for tough topics. To speak about drugs, the complex relationship between a star and his/her fans, death, we got wonderful and powerful gold dust women, pale shadows, dragons, sisters of the moons, white winged doves. Twenty years later instead her truth is almost deafening in songs like Trouble in Shangri-La, I Miss You, Space Needle, Illume, Everybody Finds Out, Destiny Rules.... Old demos like The Tower and No Light gained a new touch of inspiration in Goodbye Baby and Planets Of the Universe Obviously a huge range of metaphors is and will ever be part of her style, but today IMO she is able to look at herself, her past, the world she is living, with a more vibrant and compelling energy.

That was most excellent, Romy!

Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17

Why does everyone relate everything to Bella Donna? That was 1981 for goodness sakes. It's apples and oranges. If everything sounded like Bella Donna, then we would be complaining about how all her stuff sounds the same. I give props to her that none of her albums sound like the previous one. If I wanted 6 Bella Donnas, I would have bought 6 Bella Donnas.

^Don't really know if this was directed at me or not, but anyway...That's a great point, Curtis. All of her albums are wonderful in their own ways, and Bella Donna shouldn't be the benchmark with which to compare everything else she has done since. In fact, there shouldn't really be a benchmark at all. As you said, apples and oranges.

I said that "I Miss You" and "Trouble In Shangri-La" are just as powerful as anything off Bella Donna because Trouble is her most recent solo album while Bella Donna is her earliest solo album. I thought it kinda fit with the earlier vs. later debate.
--Justin

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

I don't think "Everybody Finds Out" is about Lindsey at all. Not even in the least.

I've often thought that myself. It's too obvious.

[GateandGarden]

Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna

Ummm...weren't you blasting someone earlier for saying something was crappy or bad or whatever? Such a harsh statement for a song that IMO is not that bad... again though - it's all subjective...

:edit: Oh - it was GardenStateGirlie who addressed the calling of something ****ty...my bad...STILL - that's totally harsh....

I wouldn't blast someone for that. I teased dissention about being harsh, but I was only teasing 'cause it's his opinion and that's cool. It's not a comment about the Goddess Stevie (I swear--I sometimes say that and I'm not sure that I'm being sarcastic ), it's just a comment about that one song. It really isn't supposed to be a reflection on her. I've written some things myself that I thought were ****ty pieces of crap, and I've written things that I liked but some people thought were ****ty pieces of crap. I made a point of saying that it was just my opinion because I didn't want anyone to say "Hey, that's not fair! I love that song! You just think it's bad!" I know it's just me. I think that song's nauseatingly cheesy, but others like it a lot. I'm not saying that I think I'm the one who's right at all. It's just a personal opinion.

Sorry about how repetitive I'm being.

Hillary

[The Tower]

Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17

So I'm submissive. This has already been discussed in great length.

No comment.

Originally Posted by GateandGarden

IMO, "I Miss You" is a ****ty piece of crap. But you won't see me saying that about any other Stevie songs. (Maybe "WISYA," but I have a hard time being that hateful about that one even ). I just really hate that one song.

Not even! "I Miss You" is one of Stevie's saddest songs ever. One of the best on TISL.

Originally Posted by GateandGarden

I don't think it's anywhere near as good as any of the material on Bella Donna, and I can't even say that I really like every single song on that album. I agree that "Trouble in Shangri-La" is just as good (though I would've preferred the same production on that one as the Bella Donna songs), but I also think TISL is an anomaly these days.

"I Miss You" is better than "How Still My Love" and "Think About It". TISL the album has got nothing on Bella Donna- nothing. If she had released it without the ****ty middle ("Too Far From Texas", "Loves Changes", "It's Only Love" and "That Made Me Stronger") and stuck in "Space Needle", then it really would have been the powerhouse to be in the big leagues.

[GateandGarden]

Originally Posted by takenbythesky

...I could eat "Sister Honey" all up...
--Justin

Well, don't let that golden hair get in your way, baby! (Okay, that was supposed to be suggestive, but I guess it just came out ridiculous. Plus I inserted a superfluous "well"! She's really rubbing off on me!) Anyway, I do love "Sister Honey" myself. I can't explain it to people, and I really, really don't know what she was talking about, but it's really sexy to me.

Hillary

[GateandGarden]

Originally Posted by Serrart

I voted for both equally but the main difference that make me being closer to Stevie's more recent writings is the different, fresh and more courageous way to express her art.

Beware... I'm going to ramble again :
Codes and mysticism very often used strategically, are suggestive, but also a comfortable cover for tough topics. To speak about drugs, the complex relationship between a star and his/her fans, death, we got wonderful and powerful gold dust women, pale shadows, dragons, sisters of the moons, white winged doves. Twenty years later instead her truth is almost deafening in songs like Trouble in Shangri-La, I Miss You, Space Needle, Illume, Everybody Finds Out, Destiny Rules.... Old demos like The Tower and No Light gained a new touch of inspiration in Goodbye Baby and Planets Of the Universe Obviously a huge range of metaphors is and will ever be part of her style, but today IMO she is able to look at herself, her past, the world she is living, with a more vibrant and compelling energy.

Basically... Stevie rules
Romy

Just wanted to say that that was a really great post, Romy.

Hillary

[GateandGarden]

Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17

Why does everyone relate everything to Bella Donna? That was 1981 for goodness sakes. It's apples and oranges. If everything sounded like Bella Donna, then we would be complaining about how all her stuff sounds the same. I give props to her that none of her albums sound like the previous one. If I wanted 6 Bella Donnas, I would have bought 6 Bella Donnas.

It's my favorite by far, so I guess I just wish that her albums would be just as great (in my eyes). I wouldn't want them to be exactly like that, but, now that you've said that, I wouldn't mind if they were quite similar. A few of the tracks that I really like on The Wild Heart sound like they could've also fit on Bella Donna to me.

Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17

....and I Miss You is far from ****ty. She wrote it and recorded it for a reason. It means sometime to her. That point alone makes it un****ty (is that a word? )

I don't think un****ty is a word, but I like it anyway. I see what you mean, but I've got a whole binder of ****ty older poetry of mine under my bed that you can read (actually, no you can't 'cause that would be ultra-embarrassing ), and I can tell you it means a lot to me, but I still think it's ****ty. Yay for run-on sentences! Come on, don't you hate "Desert Angel" with a passion? It's ****ty, isn't it? And doesn't it mean a lot to Stevie? Yes, I keep bringing up Operation Desert Angel because I love you, you must understand.

Hillary

[The Tower]

Originally Posted by GateandGarden

Anyway, I do love "Sister Honey" myself.

"Sister Honey" is just plain awful....

Originally Posted by GateandGarden

Come on, don't you hate "Desert Angel" with a passion? It's ****ty, isn't it?

I really, really like "Desert Angel"- a great song!

[DeadliestPoison]

Originally Posted by takenbythesky

I just know that someone is waiting to pounce on the fact that I like Rock A Little . It's just my taste...I could eat "Sister Honey" all up, I love it that much...

Psh. I'll fight right beside you, Justin. I? Love me some RAL. MmMmm.

[GateandGarden]

Originally Posted by The Tower

"I Miss You" is better than "How Still My Love" and "Think About It". TISL the album has got nothing on Bella Donna- nothing. If she had released it without the ****ty middle ("Too Far From Texas", "Loves Changes", "It's Only Love" and "That Made Me Stronger") and stuck in "Space Needle", then it really would have been the powerhouse to be in the big leagues.

Hey now, where's the obligatory IMO? 'Cause IMO, "I Miss You" is one of the stinkers on that album and though "Love Changes," "That Made Me Stronger," and "It's Only Love" are not fabulous, they are in the stinkers category. And I think "Think About it" and "How Still My Love" are both worlds better than "I Miss You." But once again, that's just me and I'm being argumentative and obnoxious on purpose because I find it entertaining sometimes. That and I really hate "I Miss You."

Um, am I starting to sound like dissention? I just noticed the similarities in our avatars since I changed mine, and I'm now frightened that I will come off as just as blunt and insanely opinionated.

Hillary

[GateandGarden]

Originally Posted by The Tower

"Sister Honey" is just plain awful....

Now, don't make me go fast like a jet plane and then a star stream to hit you with a fury!

Hillary