Okay, confess.

[SmthngOfADreamr]

Originally posted by wondergirl9847


I don't understand the Lindsey's ring being "in your face". Distracting? LMAO!!! He shouldn't wear it on stage with Stevie??? WTH not?!!? This is FRICKIN HILARIOUS!!!!

That was mine.. lol Yeah, what I mean is that when they do a close up and who Lindsey playing the guitar, it's he's wearing his bling! I dunno I'm just not used to it, I think it is distracting. Plus, in light of the recent boring live performances, I'm hell bent on L&S getting back together to throw some gasoline on the fire, like on the Dance. (Come on people, you know SOMETHING was going on during The Dance , dontcha? )

[anusha]

Ok, I'll play!

1. I think that FM milks the S/L relationship too much, particularly Stevie, who I think is 1) more willing to be commercial and 2) enamoured of the idea of still being in love with LB (though isn't in any sort of real way). I was horrified at the scripted hugs etc. o The Dance tour and don't want to see it this time. I'll take LB's "cycles" talk again, thanks.

2. I don't like the way SN has repeatedly said rather unkind things about LB in the press and wish she would respect his privacy. That said, I like reading it (though it often makes me sad), and I guess it's all fair since The Ledge is a pretty nasty song. I'd love to know LB's side of the story but don't want to hear about cycles or healing.

3. I think LB and SN are even as far as her working and his not working in the early days -- after all, he insisted that FM take her. So, she needs to stop talking about that.

4. Stevie and Mick. One word: EW! Yet I think that he's the one that she would say was the one she could have married and lived happily ever after with (well except for the bankruptcy and increased drug use, of course).

5. Don't really like long guitar solos or long drum solos but believe that it's some sort of asserting maleness thing that has to happen. Wish they could coordinate those with costume changes for Stevie, since I hate those too.

6. It takes me a while to get into some of LB's FM material, but I end up liking it more than the SN material that immediately grabbed me. Well, except for I'm So Afraid. I never liked that song.

7. I don't think I'd like any of them as people if I met them...too self-invoved, except for John who is too beaten down.

8. I think that some bad stuff went down with Chris leaving (not on the scale of LB in 1987), and that certain people (Mick, Stevie) must have given her a really hard time.

9. I think Jimmy Iovine and LB are tied for best Stevie producer credits, but I also think that they both worked with her in her most exciting songwriting period.

10. I don't think that Lindsey and John were any more abusive than Stevie or Chris were. I just think we hear more from Stevie and Chris because they give more candid interviews. But I blame 75% of it on alcohol and the rest on emotional issues.

11. I don't listen to FM related material much of the time, except for my current non-stop play of SYW. It goes in cycles.

12. I wish Stevie and Lindsey had been able to work it out, but I'd be horrified if they got together now that he's married and a dad and all.

13. Lindsey's obsessive work habits scare me. I know people like him, and it ususally comes from massive insecurity. Not good times.

14. I kinda like the synthesizer voices...to a point.


15. When I read about how badly they've all treated each other, I want to tell them to disperse to the ends of the earth and leave each other alone. Yet I hope they have another CD together soon.

[DownOnRodeo]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
... I think, Joe, that Stevie is saying that her and the fella in question fell in love when SHE was only 10. Presumeably he was around the same age.

Whoops ... well I guess that goes to show how much I listen to it!

[David]

Originally posted by anusha
I don't think I'd like any of them as people if I met them...too self-involved, except for John who is too beaten down.

LOL! Anusha, I found your entire post to be a breath of fresh levelheadedness amid a lot of stale air.

[Mad4stevie]

Originally posted by anusha


13. Lindsey's obsessive work habits scare me. I know people like him, and it ususally comes from massive insecurity. Not good times.

Yeah - no kidding! On the LB BTM, it kind of put it in perspective when Brian Wilson said that he had seen LB's intensity, and that personally, it "frightened him". That, coming from Brian Wilson, is in itself, scary.

[Miranda]

My turn! Start filling those water buckets to put out the flames!

Stevie Nicks is a star...always has been...always will be. Some people are just born stars and Stevie is one of them. She knows it and LB knows it too. Why else did his first band want her? It's never been the "in" thing for guys to want a chick in their band. Lindsey tries to overcompensate to this day about not allowing FM to be seen as a chick band. Yet, in the beginning he and his band mates knew Stevie had something special. Don't tell me it was her songs they were after. The Fritz bandleader only wanted to do his own stuff most of the time in the early days.

Lindsey is not a star but wishes he were one. He is a very hard working musician without a lot of natural gifts. He has a great musical sense for composition and craft but as a player I think he practiced his ass off for years to get where he could hold his own on lead guitar. He's just inately too shy and insecure to be the guitar god and front man FM wanted and needed without Stevie joining the band too.

Lindsey never, under any circumstances, would have joined FM without Stevie. At that time I believe he loved her more than he wanted to make it big in music.

If the shoe had been on the other foot and the band really only wanted Stevie, and said they'd only take her without Lindsey, (duck and take cover!) Stevie would have left Lindsey at that time to go after music success, rather than later when they hit it big and she didn't need him anymore. (Ouch, that lightning bolt hurt, man!)

Stevie and Lindsey are both headstrong, spoiled, rich kid brats who grew up as the center of attention in their families, always being lavished with praise and given over-inflated self-esteem. They both always want to have everything their own way. The were doomed never to get along with day to day issues. They never would have stayed together as a couple unless they'd gotten over themselves at the same time and realized what they had together. They both were/are too self-centered to put someone else's needs and desires above their own.

Christine McVie is the best songwriter in Fleetwood Mac, from a composition standpoint and on a commercial level. Stevie and Lindsey are too selfindulgent in their songwriting, for the most part, and cannot resist airing their dirty laundry about all their relationships for the sake of their "art." Without the drama, without all the piss and vinegar, where would either of them be today? I always know what Christine is talking about. I don't need to know how she feels or what she says by reading between her lines...lol! Stevie and Lindsey both need translators or channelers sometimes for normal people to figure out WTF they're talking about! (Isn't that the best part of it all? It's what makes being fans of them both such a rush!)

Christine and Stevie always tollerated each other, but are not, and never have been great friends. They're certainly not as close as they want people to think they are. Stevie and Chris never had much in common except being in the same band, but they're both smart cookies. It's truly amazing that with all the other drama swirling around, they both managed to overcome the most obvious knock against a band having women...(gals are always rivals and can't get along where men are concerned.) I take my hat off to each of them for presenting a united front in dealings with the men in the band. Neither of them crossed the line with the other's personal issues, unlike the men. We know someone who dipped his dong where it didn't belong. Somehow with men, that's not being held against the guy who did it. The woman will never be forgiven! If Stevie or Chris had done something like that in the other's backyard, that would have been the end of one of them. I believe Stevie does miss the camaraderie with Chris, but as far as Chris being her best friend...(spit-take, coffee upchucked and blowing out my nose) you haven't spoken to her in 5 years and she's your best friend?

The band is not as good without Chris. Stevie and Lindsey are equal talents with Chris. The band is much less when any of the big three are gone. Mick and John would still be struggling club or session players if the stars had not aligned to bring each of these talented people along for them to latch on to.

Chris was the smart one to bow out gracefully (whatever the real reason is) and leave the band when it was still on a high note. I think this tour will show that the band's better days on the road are over. They should have agreed to all work on music in the studio but touring was not necessarily going to be the mainstay of the band. If Chris did really leave the band becasue of the touring, she would've had no reason to quit. I think making her commit to touring if she recorded with them was a mistake by the band. I think they still have something to explore as a band in the studio, but the live appeal might be over for them due to age, declining skills, disinterest, his marriage her menopause (I love that one!)

Mick Fleetwood is a cash grabbing road junkie who'd do anything to keep the band making money. Mick's worked hard to keep the band moving on even when it would have been better to let it die. I respect him for his single minded drive, but he has no limits where the band, ethics, or money are concerned.

John McVie is a loyal bloke who, at all times, stands by his best friend, the guy who keeps John's cash flow in the black. He's too down to earth to ever take an egotistical jerk like Lindsey seriously, but he knows that his bread is buttered quite well by having LB around. He'll never say LB is on the same planet with Peter Green. Besides, having an egomaniac like Mick for a best friend is all a guy like John could ever stand and remain sober. Come sail away, come sail away, come sail away with me!

Mick and Stevie like to prentend their tryst was more than a drunken, drugged out mistake, but let's get real! Mick has zero sex appeal and other than wanting to be assured of a spot in the band should LB give an ultimatum, does anybody really believe Mick is Stevie's true love? (There goes my breakfast.)

John and Stevie have avoided the sexual tension in their relationship for two reasons. One, the chicks united front thing, and two, John silently blames Stevie for encouraging Chris to leave him when she dumped Lindsey. Misery loves company. Men hold grudges against women who interfere. Funny they don't hold the same grudges against other men.

Lindsey is now a devoted family man. He loves his wife enough not to disrespect her by rubbing her nose in the Stevie thing too much. Let the dude wear his ring if he wants to! He's also not fooling anyone including his mate that he'll ever be over Stevie. On some level he will always have a connection to her because of the band. I think he wants it that way. His wife is just not as self-centered as SN and LB and can leave her own ego in check to make Mr. B. happy because with her...it's all about him. Why wouldn't he be happy? You have my respect, Mrs. B.

Stevie never knew she loved Lindsey that much until he made it clear to her he was "Never Goin Back Again." She wanted to get out of the relationship even before they joined FM, but after she left him she knew she had made one of the biggest mistakes of her life. She made a lot of them, but that was the first in a long line of mistakes that sealed her fate and she knows it and is trying to live with it the best she can.

Stevie will have to be booed or laughed off the stage to ever give up her career. I don't think she'll ever get married again and she'll go out feet first, boots in the air, still singing.

If SYW doesn't sell at least 2 million units it will be a failure and the band will not get another record deal whether they want one or not. The tour has to be a big success or they have to put out a great DVD to give the suits a reason to keep them around. Otherwise, this is the end of the line. See 'em while you can.

This sure has been fun to let it all hang out. Now, let the flames begin!

[BellaDonnaGypsy]

Beautiful Child is about Mick, right? So there's an age gap between them. Therefore I've always taken it as meaning that he fell in love with his first wife... or another girlfriend or whatever... when she was only ten years old.

Laura.

[Miranda]

They are the same age. Mick might be a year older??

[gypsysara]

Originally posted by Miranda
Lindsey is not a star but wishes he were one. He is a very hard working musician without a lot of natural gifts. He has a great musical sense for composition and craft but as a player I think he practiced his ass off for years to get where he could hold his own on lead guitar. He's just inately too shy and insecure to be the guitar god and front man FM wanted and needed without Stevie joining the band too.

If the shoe had been on the other foot and the band really only wanted Stevie, and said they'd only take her without Lindsey, (duck and take cover!) Stevie would have left Lindsey at that time to go after music success, rather than later when they hit it big and she didn't need him anymore. (Ouch, that lightning bolt hurt, man!)

Christine McVie is the best songwriter in Fleetwood Mac, from a composition standpoint and on a commercial level. Stevie and Lindsey are too selfindulgent in their songwriting, for the most part, and cannot resist airing their dirty laundry about all their relationships for the sake of their "art." Without the drama, without all the piss and vinegar, where would either of them be today? I always know what Christine is talking about. I don't need to know how she feels or what she says by reading between her lines...lol! Stevie and Lindsey both need translators or channelers sometimes for normal people to figure out WTF they're talking about! (Isn't that the best part of it all? It's what makes being fans of them both such a rush!)

Ok a few thoughts. Loved reading your post, BTW! Funny at times...

I agree to an extent Lindsey isnt the mega-star that Stevie is (mainly because of her hugely sucessful solo career). But I have to say, to do song production and crafting as he does - shows he does have a "natural gift". Ive studied music in my lifetime and seen many musicians, but I tell you the intricate guitars on say Red Rover are nothing *but* a natural gift.

I disagree that Stevie would have left Lindsey for FM if it were the other way around. She's said numerous times she wanted LB to make it. That's why she took the jobs waitressing, cleaning houses - so HE could make it, take time to make deals, write songs, promote BN, etc. I dont think she would have left him in the dust at all. She is year of the Dog, she is a devoted person.

Christine DID air some dirty laundry in some songs. Hold Me is one. "I dont want no damage, but how am I gonna manage you?" I agree you dont need to know inside info to understand her songs though. Little Lies? She just did them in her covert and nice way, lol!

[Grainuaile]

Originally posted by darklinensuit
While her eyes, voice, and personality have a timeless appeal, I don't think Chris looked especially good until the Tango days (and ever since). Those old Grammy pics with the crimped hair are not flattering. And I think she's had work done. Her face got tighter between the Mirage & Dance concert videos. And I believe her chin became more prominent by the late '80s.

I agree! She certainly got better with age.

I have various Mac pictures in my binder, and one day my friend was looking at them. She turned to me, pointed to Chris, and in all seriousness asked "Is that a man?" But then I realized that Chris did sorta look like a man.

[gypsysara]

Yeah but IMO Chris wasnt the fashion standout in FM. Stevie really took the lead. Not that Chris didnt dress with the times, but Stevie had a more defined look and imprint than Chris did (IMO). Chris is beautiful though and full of grace!

[BlueGrass]

Originally posted by darklinensuit
she hasn't been too private to discuss two drug addictions, posing nude with Lindsey, weight gain, breast implants, menopause, and even that rumor about the roadie blowing coke up her ____ (when asked in an interview).
But we digress...

- Jake

What? LOL...she never looked like she had implants, and please expland a bit more on the coke thing.

[gypsysara]

"expand a bit" - LMAO!!!

[Wayne2]

Originally posted by Miranda


Stevie and Lindsey are too selfindulgent in their songwriting, for the most part

agree with you 100%.

Great post Miranda. I think i enjoyed reading your response the most.

[Greta]

ok, i have a few more:

I can't stand Rick Vito or Billy Burnette. Or Becka whats-her-face, for that matter.

lol, when i first starting listening to FM, i couldn't tell Lindsey from Chris

I still have a horrible, weird fascination with Stevie and Lindsey's relationship. i know that they will never be together again, and i'm not even sure if i want them to be. but i'm just fascinated by them.

John ROCKS.

i personally LOVED the penguin. and i love john's tatoo

I can only begin to see the "stevie of today" in the red rocks video. IMO, before that, she looks totally different.

ok, that's all for now.