Technical question regarding his solos..

[Richard B]

Originally Posted by Lux

I could try a safe ol' Landslide for you. I am a bit better at this one, obviously.

I'm afraid I'm not well

There has been abuse in my family, but it was mostly musical in nature.

You certainly have an edge.

[mylittledemon]

Originally Posted by mylittledemon

HERE IT IS!!!!!! I finally got the damn thing up. Ok now just so you guys know...it was recorded on a mono camera mic. So the sound is piss poor. I had my little boombox directly to the right of the camera (which you cant see) playing the Live in Boston CD. I had my amp cranked up so its going to overpower the rest of the track. I got really sloppy at the ending because I didnt know the notes...but what the hell.

Regular link (for all web browsers):
http://s64.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3...P1FQTH5Z6246OG

No comment from NISSE?

[The Nisse]

Originally Posted by mylittledemon

No comment from NISSE?

Haha.. Sorry man, I've been so busy lately..

Just watched it now, and I'm really impressed. I mean, it looks as though you've studied the Live in Boston-DVD very intensely and gotten the whole thing nailed down to nearly the last note.. Your style looks exactly like Lindsey's (except for the part of the solo where he just goes nuts! )..

Again, very cool indeed..

[mylittledemon]

Originally Posted by The Nisse

Haha.. Sorry man, I've been so busy lately..

Just watched it now, and I'm really impressed. I mean, it looks as though you've studied the Live in Boston-DVD very intensely and gotten the whole thing nailed down to nearly the last note.. Your style looks exactly like Lindsey's (except for the part of the solo where he just goes nuts! )..

Again, very cool indeed..

Ha! actually I DONT have the Live in Boston DVD. I was playing the CD that came with the DVD. My ex girlfriend has the DVDs...! Rest assured I will purchase it at some time. Glad YOU enjoyed it. My best...!

BRANDoN

[TomBanks147]

MylittleDemon and RFM you are both great. How long have you been playing?

Actually, he does it with his right hand too. He rests his thumb on the lower string right next to the one he is playing. The entire thumb is at work in this process, going all the way to the wrist usually.

I thought he flicks down the string with what is usually his middle finger but that only seems to be when he is playing a note a number of time are doing a bend.

But, IS he REALLY strumming all the strings or is it an illusion of the camera?

I think its an illusion myself, but cuoldn’t be 100% sure.

It's also easy to hear on 'I'm So Afraid', in any live version

I don’t think he does mute them on ‘I’m so afraid’ Pretty sure he doesn’t.

I am aware that classical playing and Lindsey's fingerpicking are different

I’ve been playing guitar for about a year now and have just about got the classical style nailed. When I watch ‘the dance’ for example I pay very close attention to Lindsay’s playing style and I do notice in some songs (although not so many) he does play using a different picking style is.

Could one of you please tell me what style(s) he does use as well as the classical style, thanks. Also is it the pentatonic scale he uses when doing the majority of solos? I want to get in a position where I can play similar to Lindsay for songs such as ‘Go insane (acoustic version)’ and don’t want to get into any bad habits. Any help at all will be appreciated.

[ReFleetwoodMac]

Originally Posted by TomBanks147

Could one of you please tell me what style(s) he does use as well as the classical style, thanks. Also is it the pentatonic scale he uses when doing the majority of solos? I want to get in a position where I can play similar to Lindsay for songs such as ‘Go insane (acoustic version)’ and don’t want to get into any bad habits. Any help at all will be appreciated.

His "style" is nothing but bad habits, says he. And he has no classical style influence whatsoever. And he has no idea what the pentatonic scale is. Most of your questions are not accurate and therefore have no answers. And you shouldn't try to play exactly like somebody else.

Oh, and duly noted.

Lindsay

[David]

Originally Posted by ReFleetwoodMac

His "style" is nothing but bad habits, says he. And he has no classical style influence whatsoever. And he has no idea what the pentatonic scale is.

Certainly he isn't trained in the traditional sense (the sense of which is more & more remote as the years press on), & certainly he isn't exactly steeped in theory background, but I think he'd know what the pentatonic scale was if you mentioned it to him. He surely knows what it is in practice, since it's all over the "Tango in the Night" album ("Mystified," "Little Lies") as well as numerous other tracks he's concocted. Wouldn't you agree, Bobo?

And you shouldn't try to play exactly like somebody else.

Why not? What's so horrible about that? I hear a lot of people dismiss attempts other people make to sound like so-and-so, claiming that they should be concentrating on something these people are pleased to call "their own style" (as if just playing by your own devices & ideas automatically forges a "style" in any important sense of the word).

Well, let me tell you, if you had sat through the literally hundreds of piano recitals of semi-gifted or virtually ungifted performers -- all concentrating on "their own style" -- you'd have run screaming from the recital rooms along with me. I wish more than a few of those kids had been in love with Michelangeli or Argerich or Collard or Kempf or Pollini, etc., to the point of wanting to ape little stylistic quirks of theirs. It would have made for a helluva lot more interesting recitals.

[David]

Originally Posted by TomBanks147

Could one of you please tell me what style(s) he does use as well as the classical style, thanks.

Read what Bobo says about Lindsey & the "classical style." Lindsey is self-taught & self-trained, & is probably no more steeped in the classical tradition than most other rock guitarists.

One thing Lindsey does & has always done a lot of is banjo frailing (sometimes called "flailing," as in Johnny Cash's autobiography).

[TomBanks147]

His "style" is nothing but bad habits, says he. And he has no classical style influence whatsoever. And he has no idea what the pentatonic scale is. Most of your questions are not accurate and therefore have no answers. And you shouldn't try to play exactly like somebody else.

By his style I meant his finger plucking. You mentioned earlier in the thread that it would be near impossible to play ‘never going back again’ using the conventional classical style and I did not fully understand what you meant by this. Thought there might be a different finger plucking technique I’m not aware of.

I’m pretty sure he does use the pentatonic scale when playing some of his solos (if not a similar, more advanced scale)

I’m not trying to play exactly like him, BUT Lindsey in the only guitarist I’m aware of that use’s finger plucking for the type of music he is playing and I want to aim to play in a similar style to that as well off course, taking other influences into it. Basically I want to be able to play some of his songs and came here for some help from other guitarists that have tried some of his stuff, like yourself, and managed to sound great. Only want a little push in the right direction and to share knowledge. I certainly didn’t come here to provoke or be spoken to rudely but I apologise if my questions aren’t very clear or accurate. I also apologise if you where not being rude, just it seems as if you where.

[TomBanks147]

Certainly he isn't trained in the traditional sense (the sense of which is more & more remote as the years press on), & certainly he isn't exactly steeped in theory background, but I think he'd know what the pentatonic scale was if you mentioned it to him. He surely knows what it is in practice, since it's all over the "Tango in the Night" album ("Mystified," "Little Lies") as well as numerous other tracks he's concocted. Wouldn't you agree, Bobo?

Yeah, I’m pretty sure he uses the pentatonic scale. I don’t know how to read music or have a clue about theory but I can play the pentatonic scale so its not as if you need a great deal of theory (if any) to play it.

Why not? What's so horrible about that? I hear a lot of people dismiss attempts other people make to sound like so-and-so, claiming that they should be concentrating on something these people are pleased to call "their own style" (as if just playing by your own devices & ideas automatically forges a "style" in any important sense of the word).

I agree. Everyone has there influences and an influence is just that. Someone/thing that inspires you to re create something along the lines of what it was that inspired you. I think the majority of musicians and artists in general would be flattered not insulted that someone has been influenced to try and incorporate there way of playing/creating there music/art and using it themselves to develop there own style.

Read what Bobo says about Lindsey & the "classical style." Lindsey is self-taught & self-trained, & is probably no more steeped in the classical tradition than most other rock guitarists.

I’m teaching myself and don’t want to spend many hours a day playing in the classical tradition to find out that my whole finger plucking style is completely different to that of Lindseys. I’ll do a search of the forum and have a look a Bobos post to see if it becomes any clearer to me. Thanks David.

One thing Lindsey does & has always done a lot of is banjo frailing (sometimes called "flailing," as in Johnny Cash's autobiography).

Once again, thank you David. I’ll look up Flailing.

[ReFleetwoodMac]

Originally Posted by TomBanks147

You mentioned earlier in the thread that it would be near impossible to play ‘never going back again’ using the conventional classical style and I did not fully understand what you meant by this.

Without going back and reading it, I don't think I said it would be impossible, it most certainly is possible. I think all I did was ask if the demon plays it in the classical style. And then went on to explain to the demon that our whole outlook on life would be crushed, crushed, if we found out that he wasn't playing everything exactly like Mr. Buckingham. You newbies wouldn't understand.

I’m pretty sure he does use the pentatonic scale when playing some of his solos (if not a similar, more advanced scale)

Just because he uses it doesn't mean he knows the term for it, or even the idea of it. Teenagers in punk bands write songs that are filled with basic music theory ideas and rules, but the vast majority have no idea what they're doing. They're just mimicking what they hear in other people's music.

I certainly didn’t come here to provoke or be spoken to rudely but I apologise if my questions aren’t very clear or accurate. I also apologise if you where not being rude, just it seems as if you where.

Just spell his name right, and I shall treat you with the utmost kindness and respect. I make delicious homemade chocolate chip cookies. Do what I say lest you be left out of the feast.

[Alexbt]

Blah, I found this topic a little late.
All the things people have posted expired.

[TomBanks147]

I think all I did was ask if the demon plays it in the classical style. And then went on to explain to the demon that our whole outlook on life would be crushed, crushed, if we found out that he wasn't playing everything exactly like Mr. Buckingham.

You see this is what I don’t understand. What is so different to the classical style and the way Lindsey plays it? Is it simply his hand position on the guitar that’s different (due to his bad habits as you explained earlier) or is it a completely different plucking style?

Just because he uses it doesn't mean he knows the term for it, or even the idea of it. Teenagers in punk bands write songs that are filled with basic music theory ideas and rules, but the vast majority have no idea what they're doing. They're just mimicking what they hear in other people's music.

I’m a teenager myself and as you can probably tell as of yet do not have too much of an idea of what to do. I’m sure Lindsey knows a damn site more theory than me and just wanted to know whether it is the pentatonic scale he uses when playing or if its some other scale I will have to learn to be able to try one of his solos, Like demons version of come, as far as I can tell that pentatonic.

Just spell his name right, and I shall treat you with the utmost kindness and respect. I make delicious homemade chocolate chip cookies. Do what I say lest you be left out of the feast.

I detect sarcasm but sure if the postage and packing is included Ill try one of your cookies.

[mylittledemon]

Originally Posted by TomBanks147

You see this is what I don’t understand. What is so different to the classical style and the way Lindsey plays it?

I’m sure Lindsey knows a damn site more theory than me.

Hey Tom,

I guess I should have been clearer in my argument...Lindsey knows a lot of classical style licks, he doesnt necessarily PLAY in a classical manner. His manner of picking is quite unlike the "classic" classical style. And yes, the position of the hand is very important. In true classical vein, your right hand would never touch the body of the guitar. It's more or less "dangling" downward to pick up on the strings, down with the thumb. You get the idea.

As far as Lindsey's music theory/knowledge of scales, etc...he claims to have none. If you really watch Lindsey's performances over the years...especially his solos...they are all very similar. Come, So Afraid, Murrow, Go Your own Way, Tango in the Night...all of these songs have very very close patterns.

BoBo and I have battled back and forth over such matters. I'm content to see it my way, and let him see it is...although in truth, as much as I hate to admit, I think we agree more than we disagree. I think in the end, it was partly my own playing technique that was in question. Which I *think* I have laid to rest when I posed the "Come" guitar solo.

[David]

Originally Posted by TomBanks147

Yeah, I’m pretty sure he uses the pentatonic scale. I don’t know how to read music or have a clue about theory but I can play the pentatonic scale so its not as if you need a great deal of theory (if any) to play it.

Lindsey also plays a little piano (a little more than Stevie, a little less than Christine). So the idea of the "sound" of the black keys in contiguous order must mean something to him as a concept -- the pentatonic scale. Plus, we may be underestimating Lindsey's grasp of music theory. I think he has left enough clues over the years in interviews that he has a pretty good grasp of essential principles of music, at least at the pop level. The ideas of scales (major, minor, augmented, diminished, 7ths, etc.), positions (root on up to subdominant to dominant & back to root, etc.), & how songcraft is concocted in general (verses, choruses, bridges, etc.) -- I think he's familiar with all these concepts in both practice & theory.

I mean, after all, something must have been rubbing Stevie the wrong way all these years.